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I always thought lake iron and bog iron were from meteorites, but I just looked it up and they're renewable (about ten years) natural resources.
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Aug 26, 2021 20:17
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3D Megadoodoo posted:I always thought lake iron and bog iron were from meteorites, but I just looked it up and they're renewable (about ten years) natural resources. Just don't ask where the Kalevala says they come from. 
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Aug 26, 2021 20:58
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I believe bogs and their residents are neither good nor evil, merely bog-standard
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Aug 26, 2021 21:04
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Oh for peat's sake
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Aug 26, 2021 21:20
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3D Megadoodoo posted:I always thought lake iron and bog iron were from meteorites, but I just looked it up and they're renewable (about ten years) natural resources. Still better off than the Japanese.
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Aug 26, 2021 22:11
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zedprime posted:Thought that would have been apparent How much actual lake iron do you think I've seen in my life? (The answer is none.)
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Aug 27, 2021 07:05
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From the meme thread:
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Aug 27, 2021 07:14
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jsoh posted:there's two lakes and a town in Western Canada called slave lake because the Cree called the people there slaves on account of how they raided and enslaved them all the time Platystemon posted:wtf apparently this is true The French trader word for slave was "pani", from Pawnee. Take so many slaves from one group that they become the generic word for slave, like ziplock bags
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Aug 27, 2021 07:51
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canyoneer posted:The French trader word for slave was "pani", from Pawnee. Take so many slaves from one group that they become the generic word for slave, like ziplock bags Or slavs. e: Or was that the other way around?
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Aug 27, 2021 08:00
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Apart from slav, another word that also descends from the latin "sclavus" (slave), via a dialectal version of the italian "schiavo", is "ciao" (Venetian: s'ciavo). As in, "ciao, bella" A lot of languages/dialects in central and eastern europe (Bavarians included) use "Servus" in the same way e: for clarity, i mean that the phrase descends from usage that was essentially "(your humble) servant/slave" boofhead has a new favorite as of 08:20 on Aug 27, 2021 |
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Aug 27, 2021 08:09
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That one is a myth I think. Here's what wiki says: quote:The oldest mention of the Slavic ethnonym is the 6th century AD Procopius, writing in Byzantine Greek, using various forms such as Sklaboi (Σκλάβοι), Sklabēnoi (Σκλαβηνοί), Sklauenoi (Σκλαυηνοί), Sthlabenoi (Σθλαβηνοί), or Sklabinoi (Σκλαβῖνοι),[9] while his contemporary Jordanes refers to the Sclaveni in Latin.[10] The oldest documents written in Old Church Slavonic, dating from the 9th century, attest the autonym as Slověne (Словѣне). These forms point back to a Slavic autonym which can be reconstructed in Proto-Slavic as *Slověninъ, plural Slověne. Referring to yourself by a foreign word for slave would be odd. Like if the germans called themselves mute. Edgar Allen Ho has a new favorite as of 11:27 on Aug 27, 2021 |
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Aug 27, 2021 11:23
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Referring to yourself by a foreign word for slave would be odd. Like if the germans called themselves mute. Yeah but even if they did no one would hear them.
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Aug 27, 2021 11:38
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:That one is a myth I think. Here's also what wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs_(ethnonym)) says: The English term slave derives from the ethnonym Slav. In medieval wars many Slavs were captured and enslaved, which led to the word slav becoming synonym to "enslaved person".[21][22][23] In addition, the English word Slav derives from the Middle English word sclave, which was borrowed from Medieval Latin sclavus or slavus,[22][24][25] itself a borrowing and Byzantine Greek σκλάβος sklábos "slave," which was in turn apparently derived from a misunderstanding of the Slavic autonym (denoting a speaker of their own languages). The Byzantine term Sklavinoi was loaned into Arabic as Saqaliba (صقالبة; sing. Saqlabi, صقلبي) by medieval Arab historiographers. However, the origin of this word is disputed.[26][27] In 1995, for the first time, a version was expressed, according to which the Greek word Σκλάβινοι does not come from the self-name of the Slavs, but from the Greek verb σκυλεύο - "to extract spoils of war".[28][29] According to this version, the self-name of the Slavs and their Modern Greek name coincided phonetically purely by chance. Wikipedia is a land of contrasts. But it seems that the slavs called themselves slavs, and some of the non-slavs took that word to mean 'slave'.
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Aug 27, 2021 12:37
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Samovar posted:From the meme thread: I've never understood why people are so quick to believe this one. Why are people who are poor enough to have to eat rotting meat also able to spend a small fortune in spices to mask the smell?
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Aug 27, 2021 14:35
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Weembles posted:I've never understood why people are so quick to believe this one. Why are people who are poor enough to have to eat rotting meat also able to spend a small fortune in spices to mask the smell? i guess it sounds smart if you don't know about the medieval spice and meat prices. it was taught in my school too
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Aug 27, 2021 14:52
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Weembles posted:I've never understood why people are so quick to believe this one. Why are people who are poor enough to have to eat rotting meat also able to spend a small fortune in spices to mask the smell? A lot of myths about Medieval Europe come from the Enlightenment's absolute contempt for the Medieval period. They wanted to draw a deeper line between themselves (and their enlightenment) and the past, so they imagined a noble in the Dark Ages was some ignorant savage too dumb to understand preservatives and too poor to have standards. They imagined him a man who thought books were witchcraft and thought a single embroidered tapestry on the wall was the pinnacle of art (three point perspective being also witchcraft). Of course his food was rotten and invested with vermin, until the Renaissance came, the Church and feudalism was keeping everyone stupid. The short of it is: When you start from "look at how loving DUMB the past was" you're inclined to believe some pretty questionable things about them.
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Aug 27, 2021 15:43
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To be fair, the present is really loving dumb too.
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Aug 27, 2021 16:06
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On the "well actually, classical sculpture was all brightly painted" topic, I just learned about a very well preserved example of it: https://twitter.com/OptimoPrincipi/status/1430887215429681161?s=20
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Aug 27, 2021 16:14
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Samovar posted:From the meme thread: While the first part of this thread is correct, I don’t think there’s any evidence whatsoever that the cause of it was “Modern Europeans are so terrified of spice that they wanted to make people think it’s gross on purpose.”
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Aug 27, 2021 16:16
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Trabant posted:To be fair, the present is really loving dumb too. Of course, when studying the Covid pandemic in the early 21st century, most students will encounter the anecdote of people trying to immunise themselves with horse dewormer and aquarium cleaner in spite of the existence of a medicinal vaccine. Most historians agree that this was unlikely, though - records show that even in the US the vaccine was freely available. It is generally agreed that these anecdotes originate in satirical accounts of pre-Collapse society, and shouldn't be taken as gospel. People back then were, ultimately, just as smart as we are now.
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Aug 27, 2021 16:23
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Weembles posted:On the "well actually, classical sculpture was all brightly painted" topic, I just learned about a very well preserved example of it: That's really cool. I had seen that one before at the British Museum, but didn't know the whole story on it. Another neat example is from the ancient Iberians, the Lady of Elche statue.  The teeny bit of paint residue helped authenticate it. At the time it was found in the early 20th century, a lot of experts thought it was a modern forgery because it had characteristics they had not before seen in 4th century BC Iberian sculpture. At the time it was found, it was not known to archaeology that the ancient Iberians had painted their statues. This was learned by subsequent finds, and wouldn't you know, there's microscopic paint residue on The Lady.
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Aug 27, 2021 16:40
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The yoosians often used horse dewormer for religious purposes, to the detriment of their health.
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Aug 27, 2021 16:42
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Cross the ocean, slaughter rape and pillage, murder godkings and install governors, dodge pirates in treasure hulks heavy-laden with the essences of the new world Then sell them for pennies in the market to some dirty peasant for sprinkling on a mutton shank that's half maggot
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Aug 27, 2021 19:22
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Brawnfire posted:Cross the ocean, slaughter rape and pillage, murder godkings and install governors, dodge pirates in treasure hulks heavy-laden with the essences of the new world https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAsgN_LPWBc
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Aug 27, 2021 19:27
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The Ivermectin story actually also has a deeper truth to it than "people are dumb" (though I won't deny, people are very dumb). Here's a twitter thread on it: https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1431040456364810242 To summarize: A group called "America's Frontline Doctors" got heavily promoted by Trump because they were promoting miracle cures to Covid. This was a group that had the doctor you might remember who said ovarian cysts come from having sex with demons, but they're also a group that did a lot of telehealth consultations where they'd pocket $90 a pop to prescribe fake miracle cures like Hydroxychloriquine or, later, Ivermectin... through a pharmacy delivery service AFD also has financial ties to. But their scam was too successful and they didn't have enough doctors to prescribe miracle cures fast enough for the panicking and terrified body of people who are equally afraid of Covid and Bill Gates/the Bilderbergs/Big Pharma/Satan (or a combination of the 4, blending reasonable concerns like "the Sacklers got my friend hooked on painkillers" with cultural and religious narratives of powerful outside forces of good and evil fighting an invisible war) and so there was basically a shortage of Ivermectin prescriptions. If you're poor or from a rural area, you're probably familiar with the Feed Store Pharmacy. People buy animal antibiotics because it's cheaper and easier than going to a doctor, and if it works well enough, it works well enough. You can get Ivermectin for horses without a prescription, so it became a workaround to get the miracle drug that will save you and your loved ones' lives. Now, all this isn't to excuse away the antivaxxer movement—I think the big unspoken cultural force here is the way Covid threatened the feeling of American invincibility and this egotism created a refusal to acknowledge the real danger and encouraged self-destructive behavior like refusing to wear masks because it would mean acknowledging our own mutual interdependence and vulnerability. But at the heart of it is ideological forces rather than just "people are dumb." It is to American Capitalism what Lysenkoism was to Stalinism: the culmination of an ideology's weaknesses running amok. You've got the Trump-endorsed grifters who drape themselves in fundamentalist Christianity as they hawk medication (Covid drugs instead of "brainpower supplements" on Infowars instead of Cialis on Fox News) reaching people who are used to working around the American Healthcare System that they, understandably, put little faith in. It's human ingenuity in a system that encourages unproductive behavior, resulting in widespread horse medication poisoning.
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In 2016 after an extensive search in the Canadian Arctic, they finally found the wreck of the HMS Terror from the doomed 1845 Franklin Arctic expedition. The ship had been missing for 171 years. The wreck turned out to be in a small, uncharted area named Terror Bay off of King William Island. Yes, you read that right, the bay had been called Terror Bay before they found the the long-lost HMS Terror at the bottom of it. How?? Also, I only stumbled across the fact because of this painting, named Man Proposes, God Disposes. Which is covered up in the college gallery hall where it's displayed while students are taking exams there, because it's rumored to be haunted. 
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Aug 28, 2021 00:26
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Sucrose posted:In 2016 after an extensive search in the Canadian Arctic, they finally found the wreck of the HMS Terror from the doomed 1845 Franklin Arctic expedition. The ship had been missing for 171 years. The wreck turned out to be in a small, obscure area named Terror Bay off of King William Island. Yes, you read that right, the bay had been called Terror Bay before they found the the long-lost HMS Terror at the bottom of it. How?? i assume they assumed thats where it was its like how antarctica was named before they found it 
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Aug 28, 2021 00:44
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but also re spices, i think the simpler explanation is that salt is both a preservative and a flavor, so if you aren't very into food, you might think all "spices" work that way. also you can definitely get away with masking lovely meat with spices, though thats a modern thing that depends on spices being super cheap compared to meat
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Aug 28, 2021 00:47
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Carthag Tuek posted:i assume they assumed thats where it was For years it was assumed by Parks Canada that Terror was in a different bay altogether, despite the local Inuit having decades of stories about sightings of an abandoned tall ship in Terror Bay Several expeditions failed to find it until they actually listened to an Inuit guy who'd seen a mast there in 2010, and then they found it in a couple of hours
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Aug 28, 2021 00:57
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Phy posted:For years it was assumed by Parks Canada that Terror was in a different bay altogether, despite the local Inuit having decades of stories about sightings of an abandoned tall ship in Terror Bay lol what a fukkin surprise
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Aug 28, 2021 01:12
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Phy posted:For years it was assumed by Parks Canada that Terror was in a different bay altogether, despite the local Inuit having decades of stories about sightings of an abandoned tall ship in Terror Bay lmao jeez thats incredible
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Aug 28, 2021 01:24
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Only took two centuries of asking inuits about it and them going "yeah we saw a bunch of doomed white guys tryna to do a dumb thing, they got hosed, roundabouts here, we tried to talk them into turning back but  "
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Aug 28, 2021 01:24
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Only took two centuries of asking inuits about it and them going "yeah we saw a bunch of doomed white guys tryna to do a dumb thing, they got hosed, roundabouts here, we tried to talk them into turning back but *writes down "nobody knows"*
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Aug 28, 2021 01:28
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Carthag Tuek posted:but also re spices, i think the simpler explanation is that salt is both a preservative and a flavor, so if you aren't very into food, you might think all "spices" work that way. It’s muddied by some spices being real preservatives, or at least contemporaneously believed to be preservatives, in some contexts. Hops in beer started that way.
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Aug 28, 2021 03:01
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Platystemon posted:It’s muddied by some spices being real preservatives, or at least contemporaneously believed to be preservatives, in some contexts. yea thats what im saying, its easy to call all spices both preservative and tasty
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Aug 28, 2021 03:17
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Only took two centuries of asking inuits about it and them going "yeah we saw a bunch of doomed white guys tryna to do a dumb thing, they got hosed, roundabouts here, we tried to talk them into turning back but Kind of like ~The Lost Colony of Roanoke~. Natives in Carolina told the English exactly what happened to the colonists but what do they know? Must have been aliens.
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Aug 28, 2021 03:20
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Fighting Trousers posted:Kind of like ~The Lost Colony of Roanoke~. Natives in Carolina told the English exactly what happened to the colonists but what do they know? Must have been aliens. What happened? Demons?
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The experimental method in this article is lacking, but it’s interesting as a historical document in its own right. The Jungle was published six years before. This modern article links to studies of specific spices. Platystemon has a new favorite as of 03:37 on Aug 28, 2021 |
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