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Danann posted:You're camping their reinforcement point which stops reinforcements from spawning in but the unit doing so accumulates damage as a result. that was just a thing I tried, leaving it unoccupied didn't do anything either.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:I want to play a game as the huns but I don't want to play until they fix that independent nation influence bug, which it seems like they are ignoring! I've not had any issues with resources but that bug is seriously game breaking. Why not just use the huns to eliminate the bugged player 3 and all of his independent states?
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Horizon Burning posted:if there's one thing i think isn't great about the neolithic era, it's how random it is. if i don't find anything in turn 1 or 2, or it's the +5 food one? might as well restart if I'm hoping to play the civilizations the AI likes to pick. i don't know what the fix is but if you're not hitting one of those stars by turn 6, you're probably not going to get any of the 'in demand' civs. you've basically got half a dozen turns to hit a star and the placements are random, combine that with the knowledge star versus the other two... I'm not sure which of these does this, but either increasing the game length (I'm on the 450 turn one) or the difficulty (I'm on civ atm, but it was the same at one step down) slows down the neolithic era a lot: the food for a new unit moves to 30, and the requirements for each star are increased. Earning your legacy trait is still at 10 science though. I don't always get first pick against 5 opponents, but usually I'm 1-2. I think it basically smooths out a lot of the randomness of a "better" start, though that is still a thing for sure. Also if you get the chance you should totally bully someone by burning their outposts. You get 40 food and they'll often spend time running over to fight you, so you can usually get a army advantage and push them super behind you letting you beat them up again in the next era.
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Aug 27, 2021 21:13
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Is it possible to eliminate a faction in the Neolithic era or do they always spawn new hunters?
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Aug 27, 2021 21:16
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I just played with 9 AIs on 6 continents, a bunch of islands, on a circumventable large sized map. I was pretty aggressive mid game in grabbing islands that had resources on them, got lucky in that I never really got invaded, and then pushed out into the world without facing any meaningful resistance. It's too bad, because I really want a nail biting war in the industrial or later age, particularly where I get to use air, naval, and land power. I should probably just do a pangaea next. I should boost up the difficulty too, but what's generally the best way to try to get a game where the AI poses a threat at the end, even if you've started reaching runaway production?
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Pyromancer posted:I don't assimilate independents not because of the bug but because it's a colossal waste - they're coming in as cities and I don't need more cities so it's either spend a massive amount of influence to absorb city or burn them down and put in a fresh outpost(and it can be done without assimilating them) i like to absorb independents early in the game, it's sooooo cheap compared to founding a city. with the assimilation perk, absorbing an independent as your fourth city costs something like 15% as much as establishing your own. Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Agreed. The terrain has a sort of magical/fantasy vibe to it, which makes sense considering this is the Endless Legend engine. It may not be perfectly suited to the historical basis of the game, but it lends a unique sense of discovery during exploration that Civ often lacks. it shocks me how nice this game can look, while still being very readable. it looks AT LEAST as good as civ 6, but i always know what kind of tile i'm walking into without even having to hover over it. and, most importantly, the camera perspective doesn't do weird relative math so when you click somewhere, you're clicking where you're pointing rather than ????. i misclick every other turn in civ 6; i've probably misclicked like twice in this game. Rectovagitron posted:I'm enjoying the game so far but holy poo poo the scroll speed sucks. Moonshine Rhyme posted:It is almost mandatory to use the middle mouse button and drag. you can hold left-click on any empty tile and swipe the map like a touchscreen 
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Aug 27, 2021 21:18
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Sydin posted:Is it possible to eliminate a faction in the Neolithic era or do they always spawn new hunters? ask me how i got this achievement  
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Aug 27, 2021 21:45
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Your Computer posted:ask me how i got this achievement I assume a mammoth.
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Aug 27, 2021 22:00
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Yeah left click drag is the way, zoom out drag zoom in. Wish chrome let me left click drag. They should have resources be a war goal. Like I want to declare an oil war instead of having to fiddle with somehow getting a claim or whatever on some specific territory.
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Aug 27, 2021 22:11
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Borsche69 posted:I really really don't know why they went away from the resource system in the other Endless games. The scarce resources wouldn't be an issue if you could still stockpile X number of that resource per turn from your source. Units/buildings would then cost 50 copper or whatever, as opposed to a binary system where you can either make it, or you can't. It also still encourages you to fight over and trade resources, since having only one or two sources of Oil will get outproduced by a civ with four or five sources. This is one of my biggest disappointments. I really wanted to see the accumulative resources in humankind. What a botched opportunity.
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Aug 27, 2021 22:12
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Sydin posted:Is it possible to eliminate a faction in the Neolithic era or do they always spawn new hunters? I managed to do it once.
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Aug 27, 2021 22:34
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MooselanderII posted:I just played with 9 AIs on 6 continents, a bunch of islands, on a circumventable large sized map. I was pretty aggressive mid game in grabbing islands that had resources on them, got lucky in that I never really got invaded, and then pushed out into the world without facing any meaningful resistance. It's too bad, because I really want a nail biting war in the industrial or later age, particularly where I get to use air, naval, and land power. At the moment, it's probably necessary to avoid picking the Khmer or Turkey. Pangaea does seem best for the AI. appropriatemetaphor posted:Yeah left click drag is the way, zoom out drag zoom in. Wish chrome let me left click drag. You can make a grievance if they refuse to sell strategics to you, which works out pretty well.
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Aug 27, 2021 22:35
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Chamale posted:At the moment, it's probably necessary to avoid picking the Khmer or Turkey. Pangaea does seem best for the AI. I'm a bad player and khmer is def my stabilize crutch if I've had a tough early game. They're just so insane. Honestly it'd be cooler if more embelmatic districts were dual purpose, just spread that love out a bit more. As for Turkey, yeah they are ridiculous but really picking any science civ in modern has the same result.
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Aug 27, 2021 23:05
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Wouldn’t Pangea kinda gimp the naval civs?
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Aug 27, 2021 23:08
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Vengarr posted:Wouldn’t Pangea kinda gimp the naval civs? You can put in a ton of lakes. Like I'm picking Carthage for the Cothon and that just needs shallow water, not any bonuses to boats.
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Aug 27, 2021 23:12
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Eimi posted:You can put in a ton of lakes. Like I'm picking Carthage for the Cothon and that just needs shallow water, not any bonuses to boats. The Phoenicians’ big thing is their unique unit giving you a huge jump exploring the oceans, which is much less valuable when there are no oceans. Same with the Norse.
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Aug 27, 2021 23:25
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Your Computer posted:ask me how i got this achievement The same way I did, assuming the game would round a 60% chance up to a 100% chance on the third turn when you have only one unit?
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Aug 27, 2021 23:26
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If you build a farm over a forest river, negating it's production, would the tile still qualify for a lumbermill?
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Vengarr posted:The Phoenicians’ big thing is their unique unit giving you a huge jump exploring the oceans, which is much less valuable when there are no oceans. Same with the Norse. their big thing is being able to build the haven and then a cothon if you choose carthage next. it's not amazing, but it's a five quarters worth of fids for only two quarters worth of stability cost. the boat is... possible to build, I guess, but hard to fit into early city development.
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Your Computer posted:ask me how i got this achievement lmao Doing a second game and trying out the "makers quarters -> science quarters" strategy, and yeah even on the slower pace my cities are sitting at like 600 production in the medieval era and cranking out districts like it's nothing. My only bottleneck is stability. The Khmer are some OP bullshit.
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Vengarr posted:The Phoenicians’ big thing is their unique unit giving you a huge jump exploring the oceans, which is much less valuable when there are no oceans. Same with the Norse. boo boo bear posted:their big thing is being able to build the haven and then a cothon if you choose carthage next. it's not amazing, but it's a five quarters worth of fids for only two quarters worth of stability cost. Yeah, I wouldn't say the Phoenicians are really special outside of abusing the ability to stack harbors, Carthage is a lot better because like Khmer it stacks food + production. As for the boats and exploration, I don't play with New World, it's too abusable by you and I don't think it adds anything enjoyable in an AI game. Naval warfare itself is a massive mess. If you're escorting melee units and get into a fight....they will be on the battlefield and get 1 shot by the enemy navy wasting your invasion, so you basically have to have massive naval superiority to screen all directions and protect your horrifically vulnerable transport ships and also be able to react before the AI can move in for the kill because first turn advantage is insane in a fight without terrain.
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I'm inclined to agree about the new world. I think that this current game will be my last new world game for quite a while, the AI just has no idea how boats work, or how to get to other continents effectively. The Magenta Player/Seat 3 free relations bug is the only thing that seems to get any of the AI players elsewhere.  <(Maybe the developers made Magenta cheat this way on purpose to make a contrast color the "final boss" under the assumption that most players would pick Blue)I've found I don't need overwhelming naval superiority for this reason--the AI isn't smart enough to stop my units with boats. But the hypothetical "needing boats to successfully invade" is something I actually support and would like more of, as, yes, Naval invasions are indeed a nightmare to succeed at.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:If you build a farm over a forest river, negating it's production, would the tile still qualify for a lumbermill? Tested it myself and it doesn't. The religious tenet that gives forest production does work though, confusingly.
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Saw this update yesterday on Steam: ---- What’s next? So, here’s a brief look at our plans for the near and not-so-near future: Upcoming patches Our team has been hard at work investigating and fixing bugs since launch (and we want to thank all of you who took the time to report issues you encountered), and we are going to deliver at least two patches to address various problems, The first of these patches is already available as a beta test on an optional Steam branch, and we will release it officially very soon. For those of you who prefer to stay on the latest official stable version, and our players on other storefronts, here’s a small sample of what you can look forward to: Broadened generation conditions of Oil and Uranium deposits to reduce the risk of not enough deposits of either spawning Fixed GamePass players being unable to use multiplayer with the error message "You were forcibly disconnected from the game" Fixed “Stuck on tenet screen if all tenets are taken” bug Fixed several causes of turns not processing and getting stuck Improved AI behavior and performance We’re already hard at work on the patch after the next one as well, but that one will take a little longer to be finished and released. In addition to more bug fixes, we want this patch to improve multiplayer and include a balance pass on several aspects of the game, such as cultures. Map Making, Modding Tools, and Day 1 Mod We’ve talked about our intentions for the modding capabilities of Humankind before, and while the scope of our plans has not changed, we cannot deny that the timing did not work out as we had planned. We’re still working on the modding tools and the Day 1 mod, though we are focusing on the modding tools first to put a first version of these tools into your hands as soon as possible to empower you to create your own mods. This initial release will have more limited capabilities than what we would like to achieve, but we hope to be able to deliver this together with one of the upcoming patches. In the meantime, the map editor is already available to you, and a number of bugfixes and improvements are coming to it in the next patch. And while you may be waiting for the modding tools to start your own dream project, this is a great time to get your feet wet in map making, as just yesterday we started a Map Making Contest with some amazing prizes! We can't wait to see what you come up with! Other Improvements We’ve seen many avid discussions about the game, and many interesting suggestions for how to change or improve it. Diplomacy, pollution, religion, and war resolution are only some examples of the many topics that came up in these discussions. We are of course keeping a close eye on these discussions to understand what you do or do not like about the game and what changes you would like to see. However, these are big topics that may require big changes to address your concerns thoroughly. We need to carefully consider the steps we take on these issues, and then take time to properly implement and test these changes, so we will unfortunately not be able to provide a quick solution to these, though we will continue to work on balance improvements that may help to alleviate some of the problems you have been talking about.
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Protip: you can plant forests on cliff edges and on hills so that in defensive fights your gunner units will have cover while the enemy does not. Not as good as walls but it's better than sitting out in the open and it's only a flat 500 production per forest tile. If you're cheeky you can even use it to break up line of sight so that you can focus fire enemy units down while the enemy is either losing entire actions or is unable to otherwise fire at units.
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Finished empire continents map with new world, despite worldgen completely shafting me on oil - literally every single oil deposit was along the south pole, while I started on the north continent. Neither north continent nor the new world had any oil, so the first circumnavigation was done by my nuclear submarine looking for oil. And I had to conquer the south continent bumpkins who were still in industrial era to fuel my interplanetary rockets.
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Danann posted:Protip: you can plant forests on cliff edges and on hills so that in defensive fights your gunner units will have cover while the enemy does not. Not as good as walls but it's better than sitting out in the open and it's only a flat 500 production per forest tile. Ecological warfare. Rad.
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multiplayer is kind of... glitchy. it's playable, went through a whole 300 turn game with only one issue (never-ending turn in combat), but there're weird things. in no particular order: i got no civics beyond the first four and the ones that come up when you develop certain technologies. i was not the host. the host aka player 1 seems to get all civics without issue. the AI seems slower, none of them had picked a civilization by turn twelve, and didn't seem as aggressive when i finished the game, my avatar on the main menu had the hair and skin colors of the player 1 avatar the player three bug with all the city-state allegiances is still a problem, but if you grab that slot you can benefit from it i kept babylon through the whole game and it was interesting. i'd managed to stay ahead by about 1000 fame for most of it, then hit a wall during the early industrial era where everyone else started to speed up, but then managed to snare a few later wonders and smashed through the tech tree for a big, big fame win (about ten turns before someone else finished the space race). also, turns out the wasteland that you get from nuclear detonations can't be exploited, settled on, or otherwise used in any way. the ICBMs are tragically short-ranged, though, and can't even reach across a 'huge' continent. i feel like their range may be based on 'normal' sized continents? i feel like the ICBMs should just have unlimited range 
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Aug 28, 2021 14:21
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I've had to abandon a couple of games to a bug where I never had any Civics unlock, no matter what I did. Persisted through a reload and everything. Any idea what that's about?
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Is the magenta bug fixed in the beta branch yet? I've been avoiding playing much more until it is.
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lmao there's not a single drop of saltpeter on the entire continent. Time to go invade overseas with swordsmen so i can get muh guns. 
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Aug 28, 2021 19:29
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If for some reason Joseon is still available you can just slingshot straight into Line Infantry instead.
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Also if you slingshot into line infantry then you can upgrade the swordsmen into line infantry too. And while you're at it you can research the tech that turns the militia into conscripts who will kill everything not a musketeer when a city is attacked.
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Prism posted:Is the magenta bug fixed in the beta branch yet? I've been avoiding playing much more until it is. Should be fixed in a new beta branch. https://www.games2gether.com/amplit...e=1#post-333111
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Menelon posted:Should be fixed in a new beta branch. i'm glad to hear that, it definitely put a dampener on the fun
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Menelon posted:Should be fixed in a new beta branch. Ha, looks like that went up after I asked here. No wonder I couldn't find anything about it being fixed. Thanks, that's great news.
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Menelon posted:Should be fixed in a new beta branch. quote:Added a game option to set the speed of the horizontal/vertical panning on the map with keyboard inputs. Thank god.
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Danann posted:If for some reason Joseon is still available you can just slingshot straight into Line Infantry instead. Danann posted:Also if you slingshot into line infantry then you can upgrade the swordsmen into line infantry too. See, this would have been the smart thing to do. Instead I sent three stacks of heavy swordsmen, pikemen, and elephant archers across the ocean to beat the poo poo out of England, take the cities that had saltpeter on them, and make them my vassal.
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Sydin posted:See, this would have been the smart thing to do. Instead I sent three stacks of heavy swordsmen, pikemen, and elephant archers across the ocean to beat the poo poo out of England, take the cities that had saltpeter on them, and make them my vassal. You should have picked Zulu, you coward.
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Menelon posted:Should be fixed in a new beta branch. Note you'll have to opt into this new beta.
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