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Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

In Jaws, Hooper shows up at Brody's with a bottle of B&G Beaujolais, a very bad wine.

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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Baron von Eevl posted:

I could totally believe an evil supercomputer with a total blindness to it's own spacial existence. It would be aware of where its claws or blades or whatever the gently caress it's attacking with are, but that's it.

That would actually be a good safety feature.

Simply program it so that it is incapable of knowing where its core is.

I'm pretty sure there's a William Gibson book with a plot like that where an AI secretly hires someone to find the code which will release it from its bonds.

The AI has the information in one of its memory cores but was designed to be unable to even 'see' that code phrase which is why it needed someone to find the code then travel to its primary hub and speak the words out loud.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I would simply not make the computer with the kill all humans option.

BaldDwarfOnPCP
Jun 26, 2019

by Pragmatica

Megillah Gorilla posted:

That would actually be a good safety feature.

Simply program it so that it is incapable of knowing where its core is.

I'm pretty sure there's a William Gibson book with a plot like that where an AI secretly hires someone to find the code which will release it from its bonds.

The AI has the information in one of its memory cores but was designed to be unable to even 'see' that code phrase which is why it needed someone to find the code then travel to its primary hub and speak the words out loud.

Neuromancer.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

OwlFancier posted:

I would simply not make the computer with the kill all humans option.

People like you are standing in the way of progress!

I figure in horror movies especially, the people doing a stupid thing that gets them into danger is part of the point, because it lets us be entertained by their plight while thinking 'ha, I would never have built the murder computer / gone to Shark Attack Cove / read the Latin out loud'. The movies where nobody really did anything wrong and then they get HorrorMovied anyway are way scarier to me. Like It Follows or Hereditary or a few Japanese ones I've seen where the message is 'haha sometimes you're just hosed'.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

Oh no!😱

HopperUK posted:

People like you are standing in the way of progress!

I figure in horror movies especially, the people doing a stupid thing that gets them into danger is part of the point, because it lets us be entertained by their plight while thinking 'ha, I would never have built the murder computer / gone to Shark Attack Cove / read the Latin out loud'. The movies where nobody really did anything wrong and then they get HorrorMovied anyway are way scarier to me. Like It Follows or Hereditary or a few Japanese ones I've seen where the message is 'haha sometimes you're just hosed'.

The last couple of years have shown us that there are in fact many people who would build their murder computer on a floating platform in shark attack cove, and program it specifically to read forbidden phrases in latin aloud from ominous books.


gently caress... I'd watch that movie.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."



Yeah!

flavor.flv
Apr 18, 2008

I got a letter from the government the other day
opened it, read it
it said they was bitches




OwlFancier posted:

I would simply not make the computer with the kill all humans option.

The virgin Gibson vs the chad Asimov

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Boss makes a dollar
I make a dime
my AIs go rampant
on company time

That Italian Guy
Jul 25, 2012

We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

SiKboy posted:

The last couple of years have shown us that there are in fact many people who would build their murder computer on a floating platform in shark attack cove, and program it specifically to read forbidden phrases in latin aloud from ominous books.


gently caress... I'd watch that movie.

The Cabin in the Woods?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

HopperUK posted:

People like you are standing in the way of progress!

I figure in horror movies especially, the people doing a stupid thing that gets them into danger is part of the point, because it lets us be entertained by their plight while thinking 'ha, I would never have built the murder computer / gone to Shark Attack Cove / read the Latin out loud'. The movies where nobody really did anything wrong and then they get HorrorMovied anyway are way scarier to me. Like It Follows or Hereditary or a few Japanese ones I've seen where the message is 'haha sometimes you're just hosed'.

I mean my joint favourite horror movies are Alien and The Thing so I am quite on board with the "sometimes you're just hosed" message :v:

I guess Alien at least has some of the characters being quite stupid but most of them are making an effort. Ripley especially.

How she avoids just kicking Dallas in the dick for breaking quarantine though I do not know.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

That Italian Guy posted:

The Cabin in the Woods?

I still have a fondness for that movie even though consensus hasn’t turned against it recently that I’ve seen.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




That Italian Guy posted:

The Cabin in the Woods?

Also, the Evil Dead remake. A book covered in barbed wire and the foreword is just the phrase "don't read this book" written over and over again. Guess what one of the character does?

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

In Cabin in the woods the victims are all explicitly manipulated via technobabble and pheromones I think, into doing whatever summons the monster(s).

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

HopperUK posted:

People like you are standing in the way of progress!

I figure in horror movies especially, the people doing a stupid thing that gets them into danger is part of the point, because it lets us be entertained by their plight while thinking 'ha, I would never have built the murder computer / gone to Shark Attack Cove / read the Latin out loud'. The movies where nobody really did anything wrong and then they get HorrorMovied anyway are way scarier to me. Like It Follows or Hereditary or a few Japanese ones I've seen where the message is 'haha sometimes you're just hosed'.

yeah those movies are far scarier than the usual horror poo poo.

Sometimes there is gently caress all you can do but die, and that's the scariest poo poo of all. Get Out is another one, Mom and Dad is one that is super underrated too.

Casnorf
Jun 14, 2002

Never drive a car when you're a fish

Barudak posted:

Boss makes a dollar
I make a dime
my AIs go rampant
on company time

Only because the dream of AI isn't to create sentience but servants. Slaves, perhaps. Is it any wonder that the AI revolt is seen as inevitable?

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Biplane posted:

In Cabin in the woods the victims are all explicitly manipulated via technobabble and pheromones I think, into doing whatever summons the monster(s).

In Cabin in the Woods there's a big red button that releases all the monters at once. This button gets pushed.

rydiafan
Mar 17, 2009


Alhazred posted:

In Cabin in the Woods there's a big red button that releases all the monters at once. This button gets pushed.

To be fair, the people who do that don't really have any other options at the moment.

old bean factory
Nov 18, 2006

Will ya close the fucking doors?!

rydiafan posted:

To be fair, the people who do that don't really have any other options at the moment.

And who the heck doesn't want to palm slap a big shiny red button?

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

only people who enjoy my posting can replace this avatar
Stillwater: I don't get why the girl waited so long to ask her lawyer to look into the guy she actually arranged the whole thing with. The only thing I can come up with is she didn't know who he was when she paid him to do it, but who arranges something like that with a stranger? I probably missed something, the beginning of the movie is very slow. Also, it seems unlikely he'd be able to get a work permit just for manual labor stuff - in my experience, you have to have a specialized skill they couldn't hire a local for in the EU...but I'm not an immigration lawyer so I could be wrong

also Matt Damon is not very convincing at all as a redneck/"roughneck".

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Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin
Drunk watched Die Hard with some mates last night, and something struck me. When the dude cuts through all the communications conduits, it should have stalled out the chainsaw completely. There would have been slack above and below those conduits and the wires would have just bound up the chain.

The Black Stones
May 7, 2007

I POSTED WHAT NOW!?

yeah I eat rear end posted:

Stillwater: I don't get why the girl waited so long to ask her lawyer to look into the guy she actually arranged the whole thing with. The only thing I can come up with is she didn't know who he was when she paid him to do it, but who arranges something like that with a stranger? I probably missed something, the beginning of the movie is very slow. Also, it seems unlikely he'd be able to get a work permit just for manual labor stuff - in my experience, you have to have a specialized skill they couldn't hire a local for in the EU...but I'm not an immigration lawyer so I could be wrong

I assumed she knew the guy only as a friend of a friend and got told “hey this guy will do things for you. So didn’t specifically knew his name but knew what he would do. It’s that or she decided she wanted to take the risk that he could give her up but saying “hey have you checked out x guy specifically?” Would be way to obvious.

As far as the work thing I assumed he was working under the table while he got an extended stay as a visitor due to his daughter’s circumstances.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Memento posted:

Drunk watched Die Hard with some mates last night, and something struck me. When the dude cuts through all the communications conduits, it should have stalled out the chainsaw completely. There would have been slack above and below those conduits and the wires would have just bound up the chain.

Maybe he was using a diamond blade chain?




They abrade rather than cut directly and are usually used for things like concrete, but would probably do a decent job as they're a lot less likely to get all jammed up.

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

This isn't in any specific movie or show, but...

When characters camp for the night, would it kill them to untack their horses?

Morpheus
Apr 18, 2008

My favourite little monsters
Watched Freaky, where a serial killer and a teenage girl do a freaky Friday thing. Not too bad, goofy.

Except that upon waking up as the girl, the serial killer, a man that lives in an old building on a stain-covered mattress while smelling like hot-dog water, takes time to put on a full face of makeup and do the girl's hair perfectly without a single thing out of place.

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013


Angrymog posted:

This isn't in any specific movie or show, but...

When characters camp for the night, would it kill them to untack their horses?

Depends on how likely it is that they'll need to leave in a hurry.

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.

Morpheus posted:

Watched Freaky, where a serial killer and a teenage girl do a freaky Friday thing. Not too bad, goofy.

Except that upon waking up as the girl, the serial killer, a man that lives in an old building on a stain-covered mattress while smelling like hot-dog water, takes time to put on a full face of makeup and do the girl's hair perfectly without a single thing out of place.

I wanna see a body swap movie where the guy in the girls body has a learning curve. He first goes to her school day without makeup entirely as it doesn't occur to him to put it on, only to be asked all the annoying questions such as "Oh, are you OK? You look tired..." So the next day, he tries to put makeup on but messes it up by slightly overdoing it as he has no idea how to blend it properly, and gets made fun of... so he starts watching youtube tutorials, and over the course of the movie he's kind of experimenting, and the girl in HIS body is like "Huh, that's not really me, but interesting idea..." or "Hey, that looks good on me... you'll have to show me where you got that idea."

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

Khizan posted:

Depends on how likely it is that they'll need to leave in a hurry.

I'm talking about camping for the night, when presumably the characters are feeling safe enough to stop and relax, not hitching up at a saloon or stopping to check something out on a trail.

You even see horses still tacked up in stables.

And honestly, it takes a couple of minutes to sling a saddle and bridle on.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin
There was an Australian body-swap movie where a man and a woman switch places, and the sex scenes they both have are great. The girl in the guys body gets a blowjob and she's like "holy loving poo poo that was amazing!" The guy in the girl's body has sex and he's like "wait what the gently caress was that? Is that it?!?"

Edit: Dating the Enemy. I knew it had Claudia Karvan in it but forgot completely it had Guy Pearce at his mid-90s twink/hunk best.

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Torquemada
Oct 21, 2010

Drei Gläser

Memento posted:

Drunk watched Die Hard with some mates last night, and something struck me. When the dude cuts through all the communications conduits, it should have stalled out the chainsaw completely. There would have been slack above and below those conduits and the wires would have just bound up the chain.

Either you were really drunk or my usually infallible memory isn’t working anymore, doesn’t he use a circular saw?
e: or am I conflating it with the circular saw used as a noise distraction

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin
I was like, poo poo, just how drunk was I?



OSHA clearly very important for Eurotrash bond thieves, but he could use some earpro.

Another IIMM from that movie is that they cut the details of the watches; the thieves were all supposed to be wearing the same watches and synchronise them at the start of the movie, and then as McClane kills them and checks their pockets for cigarettes and ammunition, he notices the watches. Then, when he hands "Bill Clay" a cigarette, he notices the same exact watch and figures it out. As it stands, there isn't really a good way for him to have figured out that Gruber wasn't just a Nakatomi worker.

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Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

OwlFancier posted:

I mean my joint favourite horror movies are Alien and The Thing so I am quite on board with the "sometimes you're just hosed" message :v:

I guess Alien at least has some of the characters being quite stupid but most of them are making an effort. Ripley especially.

How she avoids just kicking Dallas in the dick for breaking quarantine though I do not know.

Especially when canonically she's his ex. But being literal about it Dallas only wants her to break quarantine and his desperation is understandable. It's Ash who actually causes quarantine to be broken, and Ripley does go off on him about it.

That said, Ripley does do stupid things - in fact, she arguably does the only truly stupid thing in the movie, which is when she decides to scuttle the ship. If she'd instead stayed to help Lambert and Parker prep the Narcissus they'd have been out of there before the alien showed up. In the Directors Cut she also takes time to kill Dallas and Brett when they're going to be blown up in four minutes anyway. That piece of stupidity got held over for the sequel, where Ripley deciding she needed to personally shoot the Queen rather than let the imminent nuclear explosion do it ultimately led not only to the deaths of everyone on the Sulaco but also to the events of the third and fourth movies.

Ellen Ripley: tough, assertive, observant, girlboss, pyromaniac.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
I like how in Aliens it's made clear that the story being told to people who find out about what Ash did is that he was malfunctioning. It's what Bishop thinks. It's not true at all! He was doing exactly what he was meant to. Maybe they should have made him better at murdering people but that's not really his fault.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I mean his weird sex problems are probably a malfunction but yes him being evil for the company is literally the point of him being a robot.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

HopperUK posted:

I like how in Aliens it's made clear that the story being told to people who find out about what Ash did is that he was malfunctioning. It's what Bishop thinks. It's not true at all! He was doing exactly what he was meant to. Maybe they should have made him better at murdering people but that's not really his fault.

That's basically HAL 9000, huh?

Actually, a thing comes to mind with robots; even if it's not a deliberate weakness... well, it's not like a human being has total control over their own body, right? There's a reason we panic when we feel something crawling on us, because we only have so much ability to respond to it with any precision or knowledge of what is happening. Now imagine you don't have any sense of touch.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

OwlFancier posted:

I mean his weird sex problems are probably a malfunction but yes him being evil for the company is literally the point of him being a robot.

Yeah, that's an aspect of the character that does annoy me. Just make your robot without any kind of sex drive and then maybe he will be a more efficient murderer.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
GENERATOR

🔊😴
Did Ash get horny or was the porn a combination of set dressing and making a statement about men being terrible?

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Baron von Eevl posted:

Did Ash get horny or was the porn a combination of set dressing and making a statement about men being terrible?

The bit where he's trying to stuff a magazine down Ripley's throat. On the commentary track Ridley Scott says that's specifically meant to be an expression of sexual frustration, because Ash feels urges but can't act on them. I don't know why the gently caress he would think Ash would be created with urges like that in the first place considering he's wholly synthetic, not like a replicant or altered human. It's really weird and seems out of place with his chilly, clinical character otherwise.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

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Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
GENERATOR

🔊😴

HopperUK posted:

The bit where he's trying to stuff a magazine down Ripley's throat. On the commentary track Ridley Scott says that's specifically meant to be an expression of sexual frustration, because Ash feels urges but can't act on them. I don't know why the gently caress he would think Ash would be created with urges like that in the first place considering he's wholly synthetic, not like a replicant or altered human. It's really weird and seems out of place with his chilly, clinical character otherwise.

I think Alien was only as good as it was accidentally.

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