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I never claimed there was any lack of demand due to vaccine hesitancy. My position has always been that we can't know how much vaccine hesitancy there is because people who actively want the vaccine are still waiting for appointments, six months in now. My point was that supply fell, not demand. And supply absolutely did fall when they cut off the corporate vaccination program. They literally ran out of vaccines. You can't give me that backdating bullshit about that. There are a couple people in the thread who have this completely detached view that as long as we reach certain numbers it doesn't really matter when it happens. The news is now warning that ambulances might not come when called in Tokyo. So too late and too slow; the vaccination program has already failed in a major way and it's a question of how bad it will get, and how much longer it will go on. The answer seems to be as bad and as long as possible, because there are no plans to increase medical or vaccine capacity. Just to limp along like this and hope next year is better.
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Busy Bee posted:So who here has experience having to do a quarantine in a government paid hotel. Seems like depending on which country you come from, you have a 0, 3, 6, or 14 day forced quarantine in a hotel + the mandatory 14 day stay at home quarantine. The hotel stay counts against the home quarantine, for what it's worth.
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I didn't realize the US had seemingly fallen behind so much.  They used to be ahead of us as far as I'm aware, but now Sweden's comparable numbers are 55% and 67% (still behind places like the UK at 62% and 70%). Hopefully Japan can get more doses and time slots available soon.
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sale on Banksy art posted:And supply absolutely did fall when they cut off the corporate vaccination program. They literally ran out of vaccines. You can't give me that backdating bullshit about that. There's certainly an argument that capacity could be increased, but the speed of shots in arms has been higher than what the US and EU were doing at their peaks for like two months now. It's just straight up incorrect that the rollout is glacially slow right now in comparison to the rest of the world.
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Bofast posted:I didn't realize the US had seemingly fallen behind so much. There's been a recent uptick in vaccination rate that's lagged behind the delta spike. Places like grocery stores and other shops have changed their signs from "vaccinated people don't need to wear a mask" to "in accordance with City's rule as of August XX, every customer needs to wear a mask". Truly a demon cracker nation.
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Phone posted:There's been a recent uptick in vaccination rate that's lagged behind the delta spike. Places like grocery stores and other shops have changed their signs from "vaccinated people don't need to wear a mask" to "in accordance with City's rule as of August XX, every customer needs to wear a mask". The governor of Florida recently told school superintendents that he would cut their funding if they implemented mask mandates. It’s blatantly illegal, but he’s trying to court the anti-maskers because he wants to run for president.  The US is a hellscape
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Busy Bee posted:So who here has experience having to do a quarantine in a government paid hotel. Seems like depending on which country you come from, you have a 0, 3, 6, or 14 day forced quarantine in a hotel + the mandatory 14 day stay at home quarantine. The Japanese government keeps an updated list of countries and regions designating who has to stay in a quarantine hotel. I think the health checks are a lot more stringent and frequent if you're put up in one of those. Somehow Hawaii has managed to remain "safe" and so I was able to choose whereever I wanted to complete my quarantine. Currently on day 1 in an Airbnb in Shinjuku.
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paperwind posted:The Japanese government keeps an updated list of countries and regions designating who has to stay in a quarantine hotel. I think the health checks are a lot more stringent and frequent if you're put up in one of those. Somehow Hawaii has managed to remain "safe" and so I was able to choose whereever I wanted to complete my quarantine. Currently on day 1 in an Airbnb in Shinjuku. Yeah, it's all included here and it's incredibly vague and confusing - https://www.mofa.go.jp/ca/fna/page4e_001053.html For example, if a traveler is entering Japan from Russia, do they have to quarantine for 3 days or 6 days? quote:On August 11, 2021, the following countries/regions are designated (The above-mentioned quarantine measures commence from 0:00 am (JST) on August 14, 2021. For those entering Japan who have stayed within 14 days in The UK, Pakistan, Malaysia, Moscow (Russia) the quarantine measures for border enforcement as mentioned in (ii) above shall be applied until 0:00 am (JST) July 9, 2021.): So on August 11th they designated the following regions but it is applied until July 9th, 2021? And what is the "above-mentioned quarantine measures".... is it (ii) for 6 days of hotel quarantine or is it (iii) for 3 days? As opposed to the UK for example where it's extremely clear on the requirements if you enter from Country A - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-amber-and-green-list-rules-for-entering-england Insert Jason Atsugiri photo here
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I know I'm stuck in quarantine so it doesn't matter too much but I haven't seen the sun in 4 days. Can someone tell the JMA to order us up some.
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Stringent posted:tag yourself in the replies lol I did buy tickets in April for an October flight because they were cheap but more importantly they were also refundable and I've already cancelled the flight because there's zero way they're gonna start allowing tourists next month Rip to the people in the tweet though
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"Open'er'up! Return to normal! Stop focusing on cases! I'm a foreigner!" Basically the same thing across all of Asia experiencing Covid surges.
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Stringent posted:tag yourself in the replies My initial reaction was a long the lines of "I don't get why they're mad about people hoping they can visit all the way out in October" and then I realized it's September already and that I'm still under the effects of the COVID time dilation field.
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October is early, true. But it would be nice if Japan would give some sort of timetable for opening up. They will be ahead of the US in people vaccinated tomorrow. They will be over 80% in October, if things continue at the current rate. At some point they have to feel safe. But who knows. Maybe they will wait until the whole pandemic is over in never years.
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Anyone who has tourist tickets now is basically guaranteed to have booked them when the pandemic was considered a full on raging pandemic last year when things were probably better than now, if not later when they were worse, so I don't really have sympathy for anyone at this point.
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Waltzing Along posted:October is early, true. But it would be nice if Japan would give some sort of timetable for opening up. They will be ahead of the US in people vaccinated tomorrow. They will be over 80% in October, if things continue at the current rate. At some point they have to feel safe. Hospitals in the US are overflowing, if you're merely at US levels, opening up for tourism is a terrible idea. Also, the US is sitting on a seven-day average of new cases of 3661, while Japan is at 12470. They're on the decline at least, but I definitely wouldn't be throwing open the doors--or even seeing a date to throw open the doors--in their position.
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Delta's so virulent it can't be eradicated, so at some point every country will have to decide they've vaccinated as best as they can and live with it as an endemic disease so they can get back to normal. Given Japan's general risk-adverse way of doing things I expect they'll be one of the later countries to do that.
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Waltzing Along posted:October is early, true. But it would be nice if Japan would give some sort of timetable for opening up. They will be ahead of the US in people vaccinated tomorrow. Sure, but the USA is also closed to tourism to most of the nationalities who regularly visit (all of Western Europe + a few other countries like India and Brazil). It's some real Biden+Trump working together nonsense too, since like Serbians and Croatians can visit, but not Slovenes or Hungarians. It's 100% nonsense at this point too.
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Waltzing Along posted:October is early, true. But it would be nice if Japan would give some sort of timetable for opening up. They will be ahead of the US in people vaccinated tomorrow. They will be over 80% in October, if things continue at the current rate. At some point they have to feel safe. Gotta send a bloated post rehab Matthew Perry to OPEN ER UP
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Hokkaido Anxiety posted:Gotta send a bloated post rehab Matthew Perry to OPEN ER UP 
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Thanatosian posted:Also, the US is sitting on a seven-day average of new cases of 3661,
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Huh, when I put "US Covid Cases" into Bing, it decided to show me Washington state COVID cases instead. This is what I get for Binging things.
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Thanatosian posted:Huh, when I put "US Covid Cases" into Bing, it decided to show me Washington state COVID cases instead. This is what I get for Binging things. Bing up your rear end
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Waltzing Along posted:October is early, true. But it would be nice if Japan would give some sort of timetable for opening up. They will be ahead of the US in people vaccinated tomorrow. They will be over 80% in October, if things continue at the current rate. At some point they have to feel safe. who's ready for sakoku 2
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Funny how it's the people who live outside the country and have the least to lose from Pandemic 2022: Omega Boogaloo that are the most vocal about "opening it up" and "going back to normal" and "you can't stay closed forever" rather than the people who depend on the country's health system and economy being functional.
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Waltzing Along posted:October is early, true. But it would be nice if Japan would give some sort of timetable for opening up. They will be ahead of the US in people vaccinated tomorrow. They will be over 80% in October, if things continue at the current rate. At some point they have to feel safe. People can be a little touchy about the health and safety of their children who can't be vaccinated yet, who could have guessed.
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LyonsLions posted:People can be a little touchy about the health and safety of their children who can't be vaccinated yet, who could have guessed. Everyone knows Japan stopped having children years ago. They manufacture child sized robots while the population gets older and older.
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Stringent posted:tag yourself in the replies I’ll keep buying tickets since they’re fully refundable. I’ve had to cancel two and i’m 100% certain that I’ll have to cancel the one I have for May but who cares. I do hope Japan opens up ASAP, by which I mean I hope things in Japan get better to the point they can safely open up ASAP. I wish the same for other parts of the world I don’t have tickets for though, so 
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I would like Japan to stay closed until covid is over so all the cool poo poo I saw still has amazing people to tell the stories behind those places.
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Waltzing Along posted:October is early, true. But it would be nice if Japan would give some sort of timetable for opening up. They will be ahead of the US in people vaccinated tomorrow. They will be over 80% in October, if things continue at the current rate. At some point they have to feel safe. you know there's other places you can go, right?
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Stringent posted:you know there's other places you can go, right?
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watch a different youtube channel for a month, you'll be just as hype to go there
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Stringent posted:you know there's other places you can go, right? You know I have friends in Japan who want to come back to the US to visit family but can't because they are worried they won't be able to get back afterwards?
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Waltzing Along posted:You know I have friends in Japan who want to come back to the US to visit family but can't because they are worried they won't be able to get back afterwards? You've been able to for a year now. That's on them. I'm preparing my second trip home now.
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leather fedora posted:Do they have four seasons and convenience stores that sell egg sandwiches and ice cream monakas? I've never had an egg sandwich that didn't result in a spontaneous detonation.
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sale on Banksy art posted:You've been able to for a year now. That's on them. Two-week quarantine is still kind of a pain in the rear end though. Rumors are it’s shortening to 10 days for vaccinated people, so hopefully it gets shorter than that before the holidays.
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Yeah, it's onerous, and the reason I have to go without my wife, but not being allowed back in is not a realistic concern at this point.
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harperdc posted:Two-week quarantine is still kind of a pain in the rear end though. Rumors are it’s shortening to 10 days for vaccinated people, so hopefully it gets shorter than that before the holidays. really sucks for grade school kids, we can't go for christmas this year because we don't have time for a visit and the quarantine. my in-laws are heading over to visit my sister-in-law so i got an earful about the pcr testing and that poo poo sucks. couldn't believe how expensive it is, and man if you pull a pos you're just completely hosed.
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