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Tighclops posted:lol yeah gently caress that guy for living out his childhood fantasy of playing a starship captain on TV, what a jackoff am I right heh I’m sure I’ll get over/ acclimate to it quickly, but yes exactly this. Living out his childhood fantasy of being a starship captain PLUS my ex wife has to do what I say cuz I am in command hurr hurr hurr I have way more of an issue with the latter than former.
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jeeves posted:I’m sure I’ll get over/ acclimate to it quickly, but yes exactly this. Living out his childhood fantasy of being a starship captain PLUS my ex wife has to do what I say cuz I am in command hurr hurr hurr Good news then because that is not the dynamic at all.
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Aug 30, 2021 03:11
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i didn't actually finish season 2 of the orville because the second last episode was boring/annoying me, but i will be back for s3. it gets quite a bit better maybe half through season 1 or so, can't remember exactly when. at a certain point they dial down the 'comedy' (leaving only the actual comedy) and instead of being a kind of star trek spoof it just becomes star trek. it's still funny though - i think bortus alone is funnier than the entirety of lower decks.
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Aug 30, 2021 03:43
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Grand Fromage posted:Good news then because that is not the dynamic at all. Yeah if the dynamic between those characters were like that I would certainly hate it and not like watching them. roomtone posted:i didn't actually finish season 2 of the orville because the second last episode was boring/annoying me, but i will be back for s3. Iirc the first ep with Bortus's people is where it goes from "ok heh" to Good
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Aug 30, 2021 03:51
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SlothfulCobra posted:I'm not actually sure if there are any Voyager references, and it sure does seem like it favors the original series the most. Last week's episode was called "We'll Always Have Tom Paris"
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Aug 30, 2021 04:01
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A KAZON  jeeves posted:I just wish I didn't bounce so hard off of McFarlane casting himself as the captain character and his character's ex-wife as his direct subordinate. Even swapping the ranks of the two would have been 1000% better, but may have never gotten past his ego. Weren't there rumours that he was trying to move out of the acting and wanted to have Mercer move on and have the ex-wife become captain and the network refused? MikeJF fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Aug 30, 2021 |
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Aug 30, 2021 04:32
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MikeJF posted:A KAZON Contractual obligations are also the only reason he still voices Peter Griffin (from what I've heard/read.)
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Aug 30, 2021 04:49
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When's the new season of the Orville coming out?
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Aug 30, 2021 04:50
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Mx. posted:When's the new season of the Orville coming out? They just wrapped filming so maybe later this year, maybe spring of next year. Joke answer: They're waiting for the WHO to announce the official end of the pandemic and then they'll release it all at once in celebration.
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Aug 30, 2021 04:52
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There are lots of people out there who don't watch The Orville or Lower Decks but have very strong opinions about what they imagine The Orville and/or Lower Decks to be.
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Aug 30, 2021 05:15
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as an Orville lover but general Seth MacFarlane disliker, I can definitely understand why people who know him from Family Guy etc. would steer clear, but it is 100% worth powering through the dislike, IMO.
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Aug 30, 2021 05:23
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8one6 posted:Contractual obligations are also the only reason he still voices Peter Griffin (from what I've heard/read.) Correct. Fox pays him a fuckton of money so he does voices on Family Guy and American Dad (TBS shows the latter, but Fox still produces it). He wanted to end Family Guy about a decade ago if not a few years prior, but it's Fox's biggest syndication seller after The Simpsons, so the show keeps going.
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Aug 30, 2021 05:38
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Macfarlane's tragedy is that he has gently caress you money but keeps finding out he's not allowed to say gently caress you
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Aug 30, 2021 10:27
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jeeves posted:Yeah, I just wish Lower Decks would do its own thing instead of every episode being a TNG/DS9/Voyager reference circle jerk. The Orville gets good about halfway through the first season, and great in the second season.
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Aug 30, 2021 12:07
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Voyager actually does get better and I’m glad I’ve stuck with it. The back half of season 4 and what I’ve seen of 5 won me over. They really aren’t going to promote Harry are they?
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Aug 30, 2021 17:16
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8one6 posted:Contractual obligations are also the only reason he still voices Peter Griffin (from what I've heard/read.) Alchenar posted:Macfarlane's tragedy is that he has gently caress you money but keeps finding out he's not allowed to say gently caress you Yeah, aside from the weird egocentrism in casting yourself as your show's lead character, it keeps you from being able to move on like a lot of show creators end up doing.
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Aug 30, 2021 17:18
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He's the captain but I really wouldn't consider Mercer the "lead" character. It's an ensemble like 90s Trek. Frankly I think he does a great job not having an ego and putting the show first. He easily could've made it The Captain Seth Kirk Show Starring Seth Kirk but didn't.
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Aug 30, 2021 17:22
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If you personally are able to convince a tv network to make a 90's star trek style positive vibes sci-fi show and you happen to be a talented actor then you deserve to get a bit of wish-fulfilment and play the captain. Also I think maybe he wasn't actually given a choice by the network?
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Aug 30, 2021 17:33
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Alchenar posted:Also I think maybe he wasn't actually given a choice by the network? I wouldn't be surprised. The early episodes/marketing clearly were banking on the Seth MacFarlane part of it being the draw. And it sure seemed like the show got away from that as soon as it was able to. Either way, putting myself in his shoes, I'm absolutely being the captain. I can't blame him.
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Aug 30, 2021 17:36
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He's the captain but as mentioned it's really a TNG-style ensemble cast and several other characters get roughly similar amounts of screen time Plus, and I do think this is pretty notable, not only is his character intentionally written as flawed and "only human", but the show does also emphasize this, as well as very often dealing directly with the consequences of some of his bad decisions.
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Aug 30, 2021 17:43
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Yeah at no point is Seth shown his character to be an epitome of anything. If anything, his story is more a tragedy in a greek sense. Everytime he reaches say a riker level of competence his failings as a person hit him hard and fast. Hell the first season pretty much had him use the super strong alien and robotic AI as his crutches.
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Aug 30, 2021 18:50
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All the characters are a good blend of flaws that lead to comedy/drama while never overstepping the mark so that you think 'why is is person still in their job?'
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Aug 30, 2021 18:57
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Spacebump posted:Voyager actually does get better and I’m glad I’ve stuck with it. The back half of season 4 and what I’ve seen of 5 won me over. They really aren’t going to promote Harry are they? Someone has to be the ensign.
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Aug 30, 2021 19:11
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Kibayasu posted:Someone has to be the ensign. I'm surprised that he didn't get demoted to naval ensign and get flown from the aft of the ship all the way back to the Alpha Quadrant.
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Aug 30, 2021 19:58
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Chiming in as another Orville convert, and alo as someone with a similar reaction to MacFarlane which stopped me trying it for ages. Then I did try it, and really disliked the first episode, so shelved it for years. Then went back again, and by the end of the second I was pretty convinced. It kept getting better from there. It really is a great show, and the cast is honestly one of it's best aspects. It does really good Trekk-y stores, and the universe is pretty well thought out, but they're a fundamentally likeable bunch and it's fun to watch them interact. Even MacFarlane. And then there's the single best part of the whole thing, which is Bortus.
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Aug 30, 2021 22:51
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I feel like if Voyager had gotten the dark true-to-concept BSG style story treatment then Harry Kim either dies 3/4 of the way through season 1 to make a point that the characters are vulnerable, or the show finale is Kim captaining a shattered Voyager with 37 crew and no other officers left alive into Starbase One.
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Aug 30, 2021 23:18
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Alchenar posted:I feel like if Voyager had gotten the dark true-to-concept BSG style story treatment then Harry Kim either dies 3/4 of the way through season 1 to make a point that the characters are vulnerable, or the show finale is Kim captaining a shattered Voyager with 37 crew and no other officers left alive into Starbase One. Eh, DS9 was the darkest Classic Trek show and it ended with a main character body count of 1 (and a bit, if you count Sisko as being dead). Voyager didn't need to devolve into brutal misery porn to play to its premise better than it ultimately did.
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Aug 30, 2021 23:38
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nine-gear crow posted:Eh, DS9 was the darkest Classic Trek show and it ended with a main character body count of 1 (and a bit, if you count Sisko as being dead). Voyager didn't need to devolve into brutal misery porn to play to its premise better than it ultimately did. I think the biggest misstep of Voyager was not doing more stuff with the Vidiians. They were a potentially much more interesting enemy than the Kazon, the Borg (who were overdone at this point), and Species 8472. Instead they show up in a handful episodes, and the phage is just cured off-screen.
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Aug 31, 2021 00:01
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nine-gear crow posted:Eh, DS9 was the darkest Classic Trek show and it ended with a main character body count of 1 (and a bit, if you count Sisko as being dead). Voyager didn't need to devolve into brutal misery porn to play to its premise better than it ultimately did. Oh I definitely agree and I don't think it should have become misery porn (or at least, not for a star trek show in the 90's). I just have this notion that for the character to develop it probably had to go to one of two extremes.
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I skipped ahead to season four on my Voyager watch and am again sad they undid all the Borg modifications to the ship. They were using CG models by then, it would have been cool to see the ship slowly change and have new technology stuck on as they find it.
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Aug 31, 2021 00:14
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Alchenar posted:Oh I definitely agree and I don't think it should have become misery porn (or at least, not for a star trek show in the 90's). I just have this notion that for the character to develop it probably had to go to one of two extremes. Yeah, Year of Hell and Equinox are two examples of Voyager playing fully to its premise on its own terms. The whole show didn't need to be that level of intense, but if they were able to at least stretch some of that intensity and seriousness across all seven seasons it would have been a hell of a lot better.
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Aug 31, 2021 01:11
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nine-gear crow posted:Yeah, Year of Hell and Equinox are two examples of Voyager playing fully to its premise on its own terms. The whole show didn't need to be that level of intense, but if they were able to at least stretch some of that intensity and seriousness across all seven seasons it would have been a hell of a lot better. Wasn't there talk about making Year of Hell an entire season arc?
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Aug 31, 2021 01:54
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Epicurius posted:Wasn't there talk about making Year of Hell an entire season arc? Yeah, Brannon Braga pitched it as a full season, a literal Year of Hell, and Rick Berman and Les Moonves poo poo themselves in terror at the prospect of Voyager doing something actually interesting and ground Braga and the writers room down to a two parter with a reset button ending.
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Aug 31, 2021 01:56
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Equinox is hilarious because the bad guy is named CAPTAIN RANSOM. You might as well have given him an eyepatch at that point.
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Aug 31, 2021 02:10
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nine-gear crow posted:Yeah, Brannon Braga pitched it as a full season, a literal Year of Hell, and Rick Berman and Les Moonves poo poo themselves in terror at the prospect of Voyager doing something actually interesting and ground Braga and the writers room down to a two parter with a reset button ending. Berman and Braga tend to get lumped together as the "people who ruined Star Trek", but from all the stories I've heard, Braga was at worst a mediocre writing who could sometimes do good stuff, and that Berman was a lot more destructive to the franchise than Braga ever was.
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Aug 31, 2021 02:27
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Yeah, Braga was a young writer with lots of super fun ideas, but it really seems like he got the joy beat out of him by Voyager/Berman/UPN and just stopped caring. He wasn’t even 40 when Enterprise ended.
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Aug 31, 2021 02:35
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I watched all of ST: Discovery for the first time, over the last couple weeks. I liked it a lot more than I thought I would, after the first 10 episodes. Someone say something about it so I can go "Oh yeah, I remember that part."
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Aug 31, 2021 02:57
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GORDON posted:I watched all of ST: Discovery for the first time, over the last couple weeks. I liked it a lot more than I thought I would, after the first 10 episodes. Remember when the woman in the Starfleet uniform died a horrible screaming death?
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Aug 31, 2021 03:02
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Do you remember the time Space Hilter defeated holograms from 1000 years in the future that she had never encountered before by deducing their weakness was blinking? Thinking about Space Hitler, remember when Starfleet officers literally sought her out so that they could ask for advice on how to put an entire race of people in their place under threat of genocide?
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I'm on Data Lore of TNG and it is kind of weird ot me that no one thought to go and investigate where Data was found Like seriously in 26 years no one was like " Hey maybe we should go back and look around"
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