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buffbus
Nov 19, 2012

well why not posted:

24" is not a reasonable size for a desktop display in 2021.

It really depends on the space. One of my desktops has a 2560x1440 24" display and it's perfect sized. Though it's wall mounted and the desk surface is only about 16" deep.

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kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses

mediaphage posted:

it is a completely reasonable size for very many people and use cases, not everyone needs enormous screens if they're not split screening a bunch of stuff 24/7 (i mean the new imac is 24 inches and it's probably the single best selling desktop computer on the planet)

The 24 inch iMac's screen has 2240x1260 effective points to work with, it's a perfectly fine screen to work with for most people. It's not like it's a 1080P penalty box.

hatty
Feb 28, 2011

Pork Pro
I still use a 24in 1080p monitor I found on the curb often and it’s been fine

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

kefkafloyd posted:

The 24 inch iMac's screen has 2240x1260 effective points to work with, it's a perfectly fine screen to work with for most people. It's not like it's a 1080P penalty box.

yeah but i think a 24-inch 1080p display is also fine for most people. is using a better screen nicer? yes obviously but sharpness aside the difference between 2240x1260 and 1920x1080 is only about a third more real estate

Beaucoup Cuckoo
Apr 10, 2008

Uncle Seymour wants you to eat your beans.
Hey guys,

I have an M1 air and I'm looking for a dock that's:
- relatively portable
- 2 USB C
- 2 USB A
- HDMI out
- SD, micro would be nice

Do you all have a go to these days? There are so many out there and most of them seem like junk.

I'd like to push a 4k monitor off of it.

Kinda trained myself out of needing two monitors - thinking about just going for one big one eventually.

Ziploc
Sep 19, 2006
MX-5
Caldigit?

Happy Pizza Guy
Jun 24, 2004

"Yeah, it was incredible, the drugs, the sex, the all-night parties. I really miss that Shining Time Station."
Grimey Drawer

Beaucoup Cuckoo posted:

Hey guys,

I have an M1 air and I'm looking for a dock that's:
- relatively portable
- 2 USB C
- 2 USB A
- HDMI out
- SD, micro would be nice

Do you all have a go to these days? There are so many out there and most of them seem like junk.

I'd like to push a 4k monitor off of it.

Kinda trained myself out of needing two monitors - thinking about just going for one big one eventually.

It's a little expensive but I've really liked using my TwelveSouth StayGo with my M1 Air these last few months. It checks all of your boxes and is decidedly not junky in terms of build quality and reliability in my experience. Also, the two cord lengths (with a stowable cable) sound like a gimmick, but come in handy quite often.

Beaucoup Cuckoo
Apr 10, 2008

Uncle Seymour wants you to eat your beans.
Thank you! I dig this and hadn't seen this one before.

frogbs
May 5, 2004
Well well well

frogbs posted:

Thanks! yeah, I ended up going for the 29". My eyes aren't getting any better and I thought with USB-C it's at least a little bit future proof. I also realized the 25" was nearly the same size as my current 24" screen, which made me think it might have felt like not much of an upgrade despite there actually being more screen real estate. Will post a trip report in the monitors thread when the 29" gets here.

In case anyone is curious, I went with this 29" 2560x1080 monitor: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1613578-REG/lg_29wp60g_b_29_uw_fhd_hdr_freesync.html?sts=pi&pim=Y

Strangely my 2015 Macbook Pro doesn't seem to be able to drive it at full resolution using a mini-displayport to HDMI cable. If I want full resolution I have to use the HDMI port, which is fine! i'm just surprised that mini-displayport is limited to 1080p, but then again it is a 6 year old laptop. Thankfully the display works great, even at 75hz!

Mercurius
May 4, 2004

Amp it up.

frogbs posted:

In case anyone is curious, I went with this 29" 2560x1080 monitor: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1613578-REG/lg_29wp60g_b_29_uw_fhd_hdr_freesync.html?sts=pi&pim=Y

Strangely my 2015 Macbook Pro doesn't seem to be able to drive it at full resolution using a mini-displayport to HDMI cable. If I want full resolution I have to use the HDMI port, which is fine! i'm just surprised that mini-displayport is limited to 1080p, but then again it is a 6 year old laptop. Thankfully the display works great, even at 75hz!
Mini-displayport isn't limited to 1080p and can do the full DisplayPort 1.4 spec so it might be something on your laptop that doesn't like the specific cable you have. Even the original DisplayPort cables were capable of 2560x1440 (which is slightly higher than your new screen) back when we needed dual-link DVI to get the same thing.

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

Mercurius posted:

Mini-displayport isn't limited to 1080p and can do the full DisplayPort 1.4 spec so it might be something on your laptop that doesn't like the specific cable you have. Even the original DisplayPort cables were capable of 2560x1440 (which is slightly higher than your new screen) back when we needed dual-link DVI to get the same thing.

OP used a mini-DP to HDMI cable. These are often passive: the silicon driving the mini-DP port detects that cable type and drives HDMI signal rather than DP signal. The standard for this is called DP++, and Thunderbolt 2 ports are apparently required to support it, so it should be a feature on OP's MBP.

So my guess is that the chip responsible for driving the TB2/mini-DP ports in OP's 2015 rMBP doesn't support newer HDMI modes when asked to go into DP++ mode, limiting the resolution.

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull
(modern i/o ports are overcomplicated messes)

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

BobHoward posted:

OP used a mini-DP to HDMI cable. These are often passive: the silicon driving the mini-DP port detects that cable type and drives HDMI signal rather than DP signal. The standard for this is called DP++, and Thunderbolt 2 ports are apparently required to support it, so it should be a feature on OP's MBP.

So my guess is that the chip responsible for driving the TB2/mini-DP ports in OP's 2015 rMBP doesn't support newer HDMI modes when asked to go into DP++ mode, limiting the resolution.

i think you’re right since those ports can put out a 4k signal using an mdp-dp cable

haunted bong
Jun 24, 2007


weird question, not sure if this is the right place for it, but my mouse is registering single clicks as double clicks. I already googled it and did what everyone said (setting the double click speed to slow in system preferences) but it’s still happening

hatty
Feb 28, 2011

Pork Pro
In my experience that means the mouse is hosed and you should replace it

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.

haunted bong posted:

weird question, not sure if this is the right place for it, but my mouse is registering single clicks as double clicks. I already googled it and did what everyone said (setting the double click speed to slow in system preferences) but it’s still happening

Is this an Apple mouse or one of those weird other company mice with those weird physical clicking buttons? If it's the latter, some mice (especially Logitech) can exhibit weird doubleclicky symptoms if dust gets on the switches. A good application of contact cleaner should resolve this (you'll have to use the straw and wedge it right under the mechanism, it's fiddly but doable). If it's an Apple mouse I don't know, I've never known those to have this issue.

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

This is probably a dumb question, but does a thunderbolt wifi ac/ax adapter exist? My google fu sucks. I'm still using an old 2012 MacBook Air that only does wifi n and would like to make use of the thunderbolt port I rarely ever use.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
you’d be better off using it as a display or some kind of storage that took advantage of that port if you find it cheap

the only way to do what you want is to buy a thunderbolt 1 to usb 3.0 adapter and then find a wifi6 dongle that uses usb 3.0. and i’m not 100% it would work but it should

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

mediaphage posted:

you’d be better off using it as a display or some kind of storage that took advantage of that port if you find it cheap

the only way to do what you want is to buy a thunderbolt 1 to usb 3.0 adapter and then find a wifi6 dongle that uses usb 3.0. and i’m not 100% it would work but it should

It's been relegated to my beater laptop now. As such, it's never docked or anything to make use of an additional display or fast external storage. But I just saw on iFixit I can actually replace the wifi module in my Air with an AC one that I found on ebay for $20, heh. That'll be a project for me eventually.

crazysim
May 23, 2004
I AM SOOOOO GAY

teagone posted:

This is probably a dumb question, but does a thunderbolt wifi ac/ax adapter exist? My google fu sucks. I'm still using an old 2012 MacBook Air that only does wifi n and would like to make use of the thunderbolt port I rarely ever use.

FWIW, I swapped my Retina Macbook 2012 's card to the AC ones from a future model and it works. Boot-time wifi internet recovery is broken though, but this thing is also on the tail end of its life anyway.

I have no idea if such a thing is also possible for you.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
imo it’s not worth dealing with

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

crazysim posted:

FWIW, I swapped my Retina Macbook 2012 's card to the AC ones from a future model and it works. Boot-time wifi internet recovery is broken though, but this thing is also on the tail end of its life anyway.

I have no idea if such a thing is also possible for you.

Yeah a few people on the iFixit forums verified that the AIRPORT BLUETOOTH 4.0 WIFI CARD BCM94360CS2 model works in the 2012 Air. It's a little longer though, so it can't be screwed in lol, and some antenna wire fuckery is needed to get around the longer length of the module. The suggested workaround is to secure the new card with electrical tape and lift up the mainboard to extend the wifi antenna wires a little bit, heh.

mediaphage posted:

imo it’s not worth dealing with

Ehh, I've already tinkered a bit on the inside of my Air before and don't mind futzing about to get wireless AC on it for cheap. Not gonna do it anytime soon though.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
i mean i'm not saying not to do it for the fun of it, because whatever tinker away ofc

i just think it's a little silly to spend too much effort putting new wifi in a ten-year old laptop, like what are you doing with it where it really matters

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

mediaphage posted:

i mean i'm not saying not to do it for the fun of it, because whatever tinker away ofc

i just think it's a little silly to spend too much effort putting new wifi in a ten-year old laptop, like what are you doing with it where it really matters

gotta get that extra range and speed so they can comfortably stream chaturbate.com to the tree house

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

mediaphage posted:

i just think it's a little silly to spend too much effort putting new wifi in a ten-year old laptop, like what are you doing with it where it really matters

I'm on the Air right now and it's still pretty capable tbh! It was max spec'd when gifted to me: i7-3667U, 8GB RAM, and a 512GB SSD.

Ok Comboomer posted:

gotta get that extra range and speed so they can comfortably stream chaturbate.com to the tree house

:hmmyes:

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
sure i still use a 2012 mbp daily but i wouldn’t bother messing with the wifi, n is pretty fast for anything i do on it

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


Apple seems to feel the same way since the HomePod / Mini only negotiates up to 802.11n speed even if connected to an .ax /.ac access point.

Not in front of the AppleTV 4K but I think it goes to AC..

I get the feeling that Apple left the 2012 Mac Mini off the Monterey upgrade list because it's only got an 802.11n card and it's a pain because all the AC cards that can go in it are too long to fit in the existing slot, again.

Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Aug 29, 2021

Crunchy Black
Oct 24, 2017

by Athanatos
Or, and, let's be honest here, its an 11 year old bit of kit and they want people to buy M1's?

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


Yeah, that's basically it..

Speaking of, I wish they'd hurry up and release those 10 core (8 performance, 2 high efficiency instead of current 4 performance, 4 high efficiency) M1X laptops with the three TB4 ports already..

I keep thinking gee maybe I should get an M1 Air in the meantime but 2 ports is poo poo (especially since Jony put them on the same side) and the rumors indicate that at least I'd get them on both sides if I get a 14/16 incher..

Also, it seems ridiculous that ITYOOL 2020 that Apple is only including 802.11ac on their Intel laptops and desktops.. luckily all M1 based machines have WiFi 6..

Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Aug 30, 2021

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Binary Badger posted:

Yeah, that's basically it..

Speaking of, I wish they'd hurry up and release those 10 core (8 performance, 2 high efficiency instead of current 4 performance, 4 high efficiency) M1X laptops with the three TB4 ports already..

I keep thinking gee maybe I should get an M1 Air in the meantime but 2 ports is poo poo (especially since Jony put them on the same side) and the rumors indicate that at least I'd get them on both sides if I get a 14/16 incher..

Also, it seems ridiculous that ITYOOL 2020 that Apple is only including 802.11ac on their Intel laptops and desktops.. luckily all M1 based machines have WiFi 6..

i'm skeptical literally anyone outside of nerds and it people would ever notice so why bother

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm
If it makes you feel any better, I have two APs in my condo. One is AC and one is AX, guess which one the M1 prefers?

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

BlackMK4 posted:

If it makes you feel any better, I have two APs in my condo. One is AC and one is AX, guess which one the M1 prefers?

i maintain apple devices are poo poo at picking APs

sometimes my devices will randomly pick an ap with a weak as poo poo signal across the house (even if i haven't moved the phone/laptop/whatever) and boost it with lte. if i go into wifi settings the AP in the same room won't even be listed (especially if it's a 5ghz ap). if i turn wifi off and back on, it automatically connects to the new, better signal.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

BlackMK4 posted:

If it makes you feel any better, I have two APs in my condo. One is AC and one is AX, guess which one the M1 prefers?

The one that's dragged to the top of the Preferred Networks in the Wi-Fi settings or the one it most recently connected to?

GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002


My 2015 MBP is... fine... but honestly I'm tired of it running hot, it's weight, and honestly I mostly use it for a poasting station. SOMETIMES I use it for Clip Studio Paint, Affinity Photo, and Capture 1 (these are probably the most heavy load apps I run). I have 16gb of RAM in my machine, but I'm really thinking of turning it in for an M1 MBA. Now that it's been out for a long time, what are opinions on using the Air with such apps as I mentioned before with an 8GB machine? Should I just order the 16gb RAM version and wait since it takes longer to get?

edit: I might be dumb as hell and get back on FF XIV as well, but I don't know how it runs on an 8bg machine

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

GATOS Y VATOS posted:

My 2015 MBP is... fine... but honestly I'm tired of it running hot, it's weight, and honestly I mostly use it for a poasting station. SOMETIMES I use it for Clip Studio Paint, Affinity Photo, and Capture 1 (these are probably the most heavy load apps I run). I have 16gb of RAM in my machine, but I'm really thinking of turning it in for an M1 MBA. Now that it's been out for a long time, what are opinions on using the Air with such apps as I mentioned before with an 8GB machine? Should I just order the 16gb RAM version and wait since it takes longer to get?

edit: I might be dumb as hell and get back on FF XIV as well, but I don't know how it runs on an 8bg machine

don’t get 8gb

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

Last Chance posted:

The one that's dragged to the top of the Preferred Networks in the Wi-Fi settings or the one it most recently connected to?

Doesn't help when both WAP are part of the same network/SSID.

Granite Octopus
Jun 24, 2008

GATOS Y VATOS posted:

My 2015 MBP is... fine... but honestly I'm tired of it running hot, it's weight, and honestly I mostly use it for a poasting station. SOMETIMES I use it for Clip Studio Paint, Affinity Photo, and Capture 1 (these are probably the most heavy load apps I run). I have 16gb of RAM in my machine, but I'm really thinking of turning it in for an M1 MBA. Now that it's been out for a long time, what are opinions on using the Air with such apps as I mentioned before with an 8GB machine? Should I just order the 16gb RAM version and wait since it takes longer to get?

edit: I might be dumb as hell and get back on FF XIV as well, but I don't know how it runs on an 8bg machine

Be patient, get the 16gb. You’ll love it.

Crunchy Black
Oct 24, 2017

by Athanatos
2018 MBP 6 core 16GB. 11.15.2.

Since adding a Logi MX keyboard and mouse to the setup, sometimes the bluetooth radio crashes. To the point that it drops my AirPods Max and I have to manually reconnect, but, after about 10 seconds, the Logis are okay. Now, this same set has given me such hell on my M1 that I don't even use it anymore, but they all work fine for hours at a time on a 3,1 Pro with the upgraded WiFi/BT card.

I'm thinking the common denominator is the Logis but I also hate the chicklet keyboards, don't have any reason to buy the one with touchID, and years of gaming and posting have rendered my wrist and elbow unable to not have a handshake mouse so that's a non-starter.

This was previously a corporate machine under JAMF MDM so I may just nuke it and reinstall unless someone has a magic fix.

teraflame
Jan 7, 2009
Are you using the logi dongle or reg Bluetooth?

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BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm

GATOS Y VATOS posted:

My 2015 MBP is... fine... but honestly I'm tired of it running hot, it's weight, and honestly I mostly use it for a poasting station. SOMETIMES I use it for Clip Studio Paint, Affinity Photo, and Capture 1 (these are probably the most heavy load apps I run). I have 16gb of RAM in my machine, but I'm really thinking of turning it in for an M1 MBA. Now that it's been out for a long time, what are opinions on using the Air with such apps as I mentioned before with an 8GB machine? Should I just order the 16gb RAM version and wait since it takes longer to get?

edit: I might be dumb as hell and get back on FF XIV as well, but I don't know how it runs on an 8bg machine

Agreed with above about buy a 16GB.

Also, FFXIV dropped performance pretty heavily on my Air until I did the thermal pad mod. You might just want to get the Pro.

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