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re: token generation They've already done "this ability triggers only once each turn", so maybe this'll be "this ability triggers only if you don't control a [x] token"?
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I feel like looking for drawbacks on the generation of tokens is the wrong way to look at it. Seems to me it’s more likely to be drawbacks on the tokens themselves.
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Aug 31, 2021 02:05
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I hope its more ways to force your opponent to create tokens. And then, you know, balance that however
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Aug 31, 2021 02:16
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ungulateman posted:re: token generation Its been done. https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/35/spirit-mirror
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Aug 31, 2021 02:26
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flatluigi posted:i think it's already been pinned down as faithless looting  
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ungulateman posted:"this ability triggers only if you don't control a [x] token"? In addition to Spirit Mirror, this is also basically how Amass works.
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Aug 31, 2021 02:28
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The Hand That Feeds 2G At the beginning of your upkeep create a 2/2 green werewolf token At the beginning of each upkeep if you cast two or more spells last turn turn * deals damage to you equal to the amount of werewolves you control Or if forces you to transform them to kill all the tokens idk man
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Madness is the ringer for returning INN mechanic if only because they Just This Week dropped Madness into Historic via Jumpstart: Historic Horizons. I would have previously guessed it wasn't on the list, because coding the timing interactions for it seems like a pain, but if they just recently showed off that they've got it working in Arena, then it seems like the obvious candidate.mandatory lesbian posted:they literally brought back storm once To my knowledge, they haven't had a Storm card in Standard since the Storm Scale got named. But, feel free to prove me wrong.
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Aug 31, 2021 02:32
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Banned in Modern and unplayed in legacy Fiathless Looting is not a tournament card. 
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Aug 31, 2021 02:35
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HootTheOwl posted:unplayed in legacy Fiathless Looting Yo, do you have a bot set up to generate wrong posts with this level of accuracy?
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mandatory lesbian might've meant to say 'madness' instead of 'storm'. If that was the case, Mark talks about that decision here in a fair amount of detail in the Storm Scale article for Innistrad & Shadows: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/storm-scale-innistrad-and-shadows-over-innistrad-2017-03-27 His conclusion to that section is as follows: quote:When I did the original Storm Scale article, I used madness as an example of what an 8 was. Then just a few months later we released Shadows over Innistrad, which had madness in it. As I explained in the preview article for Shadows over Innistrad, the stars did, in fact, align. We were doing a block all about insanity that had a graveyard component. It was the perfect fit for madness, so we did what we needed to do to make it work. So, doesn't that change its grading? It had the potential to, but instead it just reaffirmed the problems with madness. It works weirdly with the rules, it has complexity issues, it warps set design. I believe its chances of return are about the same as when I first classified it as an 8. A high rating on the storm scale doesn't mean the mechanic will never get reprinted, anyways. In the linked article, phasing is listed as a 9 on the scale. kurona_bright fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Aug 31, 2021 |
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Aug 31, 2021 02:40
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Toshimo posted:Madness is the ringer for returning INN mechanic if only because they Just This Week dropped Madness into Historic via Jumpstart: Historic Horizons. I would have previously guessed it wasn't on the list, because coding the timing interactions for it seems like a pain, but if they just recently showed off that they've got it working in Arena, then it seems like the obvious candidate. The mechanics that make up a madness card already existed on Arena, so it doesn't seem to be that complicated to me. To make madness you need to do 3 things: First move the card into a different zone when it's discarded, like Nexus of Fate. Then trigger when that discard happens, like Ajani's Last Stand. And finally allow the player to cast the spell from exile, like with Showdown of the Skalds So I don't think madness is a significant hurdle they had to overcome to make JSH.
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Aug 31, 2021 02:43
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Toshimo posted:Yo, do you have a bot set up to generate wrong posts with this level of accuracy? https://www.mtggoldfish.com/format-staples/legacy/full/spells It's not in the top 50.
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HootTheOwl posted:The mechanics that make up a madness card already existed on Arena, so it doesn't seem to be that complicated to me. To make madness you need to do 3 things: This is assuming a lot. It's very possible that the logic that they've coded for each of the scenarios that you've described were written in such a way that it would be incredibly hard to chain them into each other. We really can't assume that just because those cards work correctly from our perspective, madness would've been easy to put in. And look at MTGO, where you could potentially use the exact logical argument -- I think I've heard that implementing new cards on MTGO is actually done on a card-by-card basis, even if it's a reprint, which sounds like a nightmare
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Aug 31, 2021 02:53
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kurona_bright posted:mandatory lesbian might've meant to say 'madness' instead of 'storm'. If that was the case, Mark talks about that decision here in a fair amount of detail in the Storm Scale article for Innistrad & Shadows: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/storm-scale-innistrad-and-shadows-over-innistrad-2017-03-27 storm was reprinted in modern horizons, but yes, if we're keeping it to standard sets, madness already being reprinted once pretty much lets you know they'll be okay with printing it again and regardless, the storm scale is only maros opinion, it is not the whole designs teams philosophy. this is the more important point
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HootTheOwl posted:https://www.mtggoldfish.com/format-staples/legacy/full/spells Reanimator. A deck as old as time.
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HootTheOwl posted:https://www.mtggoldfish.com/format-staples/legacy/full/spells It not being in the top 50 spells of a format that encompasses almost all printed magic cards is not a good metric for determining something being playable or not in that format. It not being played often doesn't mean it's unplayable.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Yeah this isn’t past in flames. My guess is it’s an overpriced red enchantment that just gives flashback as a persistent effect drat, thought I had the code cracked! Your guess seems way better.
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HootTheOwl posted:The mechanics that make up a madness card already existed on Arena, so it doesn't seem to be that complicated to me. To make madness you need to do 3 things: HootTheOwl posted:https://www.mtggoldfish.com/format-staples/legacy/full/spells Cool, so the running tally of poo poo you talk out of your rear end without understanding, just on this page, are:
Dig up, goon. Madness works on a fundamentally different level than basically everything else, which is why MaRo correctly cites the rules and timing issues that are associated with it, which are a coding nightmare. There are a number of edge cases, in addition to all the normal ones, like Shadow of the Grave seeing the card as discarded, despite the fact that it came from the exile zone and would under any other rule than madness, be treated as a new discrete object. As a software dev, I know first-hand how gross trying to fit "almost the same" requirements into the same product is, and how little the customer seems to understand the intricacies therein. Legacy, a boutique format at this point, has had exactly 2 major paper events in the last year, and the 1st place deck of one of those was Reanimator with a 4-pack of Faithless Looting. The largest digital event of the year, the MTGO Legacy Super Qualifier, similarly featured a Reanimator deck in Top 8 with a full complement. Your "but muh staples list" based on God-knows-what underlying data, probably a bunch of useless 8-man MODO queues or some poo poo, bears no relevance to actual major tournament finishes. Unplayable, my rear end. I barely frequent this thread at this point, and posts like yours are a large reason why. You speak with unearned authority and confidence on things you don't understand.
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Framboise posted:It's not much consolation, but those fetches will be worth more later (unless WotC starts printing them more regularly, and if so, win/win.)
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mandatory lesbian posted:storm was reprinted in modern horizons, but yes, if we're keeping it to standard sets, madness already being reprinted once pretty much lets you know they'll be okay with printing it again The Storm Scale is specifically defined as the likelihood of a mechanic returning to standard, so yeah, it's important to qualify it as such. And, no, they cited at the time that reprinting Madness didn't go as well as hoped and was a possible reprint target, but still had hurdles. And that was before Arena, which is a defining piece when determining what to reprint. And yes, the Storm Scale is usually presented by MaRo, but I wouldn't assume that officially published WotC content has him largely at odds with the team he's working on.
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Toshimo posted:Cool, so the running tally of poo poo you talk out of your rear end without understanding, just on this page, are: HootTheOwl fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Aug 31, 2021 |
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Aug 31, 2021 03:20
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Toshimo posted:I barely frequent this thread at this point, and posts like yours are a large reason why. You speak with unearned authority and confidence on things you don't understand. your posts aren't making things better in any thread i see you in. take a break? relax? your posting feels like it's getting worse and worse due to all the mental stress people are under in general. i miss my happy BSG friend poster.
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Aug 31, 2021 03:24
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Werewolf MDFC + Transform cards where you can play either side to start and they transform from there. That's my bet!
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https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1432530618974412802?s=19 The only thing I immediately recognize in there is a bunch of alpha islands but that's already pretty pricey
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Welcome! I'm pretty sure there is or at least used to be a setting somewhere that let you bypass the tutorial and jump forward with all the free decks unlocked. It gives you all the really basic monocolored decks but you still have to complete daily "color challenge" quests for the dual color ones that have some decent cards. It sounds like OP is running up against a bug -- there have been quite a few since the big patch last week.
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Eej posted:https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1432530618974412802?s=19 He's got the Mishra's Factory seasonal cycle prints on his wall too.
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mcmagic posted:Really? There hasn't been a really broken madness deck in like what? It's because it's a pain in the rear end to include in a draft set. You gotta have like four times the discard as a cost or drawback as normal, to enable it. SOI has 24 cards that discard below rare. AFR has five. Then you need to make stuff that works with this giant pile of discarding besides madness, because madness is mostly in grixis but you have 5 colors, but also you need this all to feel good like you get to have your cake and eat it too when you cast incorrigible youths off of the lightning axe discard. But then you have to make sure that getting your cake and eating it too is just a strategy instead of the strategy, and discard as disruption has to still exist, and sets around the madness one need to help support madness in standard. It's a lot to put into a set, and that is why it's high on the storm scale.
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mcmagic posted:Really? There hasn't been a really broken madness deck in like what? 15 years? Madness isn't broken; it's just hard to grok and has weird rules interactions.
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Eej posted:https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1432530618974412802?s=19  god drat
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Another victim of TCG Players moronic card naming.
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Gynovore posted:Madness isn't broken; it's just hard to grok and has weird rules interactions. That is fair but it's also a very fun mechanic for both limited and constructed.
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Toshimo posted:To my knowledge, they haven't had a Storm card in Standard since the Storm Scale got named. But, feel free to prove me wrong. Storm was printed just not as a keyword with Thousand Year Storm https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/large/front/2/7/270a0863-7d07-43f0-925d-a8ce0383a1cb.jpg I guess that's instant or sorcery only ilmucche fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Aug 31, 2021 |
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A big flaming stink posted:
What's an uncut Beta commons sheet worth? 10k? 50?
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ilmucche posted:Storm was printed just not as a keyword with Thousand Year Storm That’s not storm. Storm count goes off of all spell types and all players.
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pokecapn posted:That’s not storm. Storm count goes off of all spell types and all players. Yeah just edited my post, realized that. Oops
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mcmagic posted:Is there a better feeling than spell piercing a T2 Tibalt's Trickery on the draw? I defy anyone to name one. Having basically zero outs, playing a doom foretold and your opponent just scooping right there. Just playing doom foretold at all, really.
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mandatory lesbian posted:they literally brought back storm once I know it's all arbitrary but the stom scale only applies to standard legal sets so cards like weather the storm don't count. Madness was an 8 on the scale before it was reprinted in soi block because it was considered a perfect fit for the emrakul is making everyone go insane vibe they wanted.
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HootTheOwl posted:Banned in Modern and unplayed in legacy Fiathless Looting is not a tournament card. you have centralized the bad posting metagame. we used to have a diverse roster of really bad posters itt, from mcmagic to Sickening, but now it's basically all hoot all the time.
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