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I used to have this pet theory that in 2001 HAL was basically corrupted just by getting closer to the monolith, like its weird presence just absolutely hosed his simple robot brain right up. The book's very clear that HAL was just given some slightly conflicting orders and this caused it to freak the gently caress out. They fix him later, and he merges with David Bowman's consciousness to form - and I'm not making this up - HALman.
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Can we at least agree that Ash and Bishop were far more interesting than David? I do remember something in the Alien novel where Ripley and the other lady are chatting, and they think Ash is gay because he's the only one they haven't seen naked or slept with, I forget which. I don't know, maybe it's because I haven't grown up with robots as servants/slaves but it always made me laugh at how everyone in Prometheus treated David like poo poo and were surprised when he treated them like test subjects. Do none of you assholes think he's cool enough to be friends with? Nah, you just want to hang out with your other loser human friends who all seem to barely notice each other either.
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Aug 31, 2021 04:51
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Cowslips Warren posted:I do remember something in the Alien novel where Ripley and the other lady are chatting, and they think Ash is gay because he's the only one they haven't seen naked or slept with, I forget which. Which one of them was getting the hot Harry Dean Stanton action?
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Aug 31, 2021 04:58
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Baron von Eevl posted:I used to have this pet theory that in 2001 HAL was basically corrupted just by getting closer to the monolith, like its weird presence just absolutely hosed his simple robot brain right up. Was it written by Hideo Kojima?!
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Aug 31, 2021 07:48
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rydiafan posted:Which one of them was getting the hot Harry Dean Stanton action? Like any of them could handle the Stan-Man.
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Aug 31, 2021 10:03
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Cowslips Warren posted:I do remember something in the Alien novel where Ripley and the other lady are chatting, and they think Ash is gay because he's the only one they haven't seen naked or slept with, I forget which. It's specifically that he's never shown the slightest interest in either of them, which they consider to be unusual because it's practically expected that hookups will happen on the long haul flights. I don't think that the porn is meant to be Ash's, though. It's in a common area of the ship, it could be anyone's.
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Aug 31, 2021 10:30
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Baron von Eevl posted:I used to have this pet theory that in 2001 HAL was basically corrupted just by getting closer to the monolith, like its weird presence just absolutely hosed his simple robot brain right up. You might be misremembering a bit, though they might present as such when appearing to humanity- iirc the aliens basically revive and uplift HAL to give Bowman some company, and they bury the hatchet once Bowman realised what HAL was going through.
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Aug 31, 2021 11:01
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Jedit posted:It's specifically that he's never shown the slightest interest in either of them, which they consider to be unusual because it's practically expected that hookups will happen on the long haul flights. It's in the comic adaption as well:  I read the comic before I watched the movie, so I always thought that scene was in the movie too.
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Aug 31, 2021 11:15
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On a thematic level, it's also Ash trying to emulate the xenomorph. When he gives his little speech about how he admires this organism because it was designed to be perfect in one thing only, it's not hard to also hear some self reflection in his words. Like someone earlier said, the alien is who Ash aspires to be: a wholly independent creature whose artificial nature is a positive because it grants a perfect design and purpose. Look at Ash. He lives his life amongst humans trying to be one of them and hiding that he's different. He wants to be 'one of the guys', but knows that his desire to do so is ultimately impossible because of his connection to MOTHER - the same computer that corresponds to Ash his own mechanical nature and ultimately dominates it. He's like a robotic Norman Bates. And then there is the Alien. Ash immediately recognizes a similarity to himself (an artificial creation) but when he describes this to others, he can't help but do so in terms that compare it positively to everything he is not. The Alien is dangerous. The Alien is independent. Ash "admires it's purity. A survivor, unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality." The Alien is what Ash could be if he wasn't stuck between a human crew and an overbearing corporate mother. This all comes to a head when Mother demands Ash secures the Alien, forcing him to turn against his friends, basically pointing to the weird cool eldritch horror and saying: "Why can't you be more like him?" And Ash tries. He may not be a walking penis covered in rape-metaphors like the Xenomorph, but he drat well gives it his best shot as he's shoving tubular objects in the crews throats while spurting white fluid everywhere. tl;dr: The Alien fucks and Mother would really appreciate it if her son did the same, leading Ash to become a robotic Ed Gein.
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Aug 31, 2021 11:26
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There's something to be said there for toxic masculinity, and predatory monsters being pointed to as role models especially in a capitalist society.
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Aug 31, 2021 11:28
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Baron von Eevl posted:I used to have this pet theory that in 2001 HAL was basically corrupted just by getting closer to the monolith, like its weird presence just absolutely hosed his simple robot brain right up. Well duh. BowHAL would just sound stupid.
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Jedit posted:It's specifically that he's never shown the slightest interest in either of them, which they consider to be unusual because it's practically expected that hookups will happen on the long haul flights. Plot twist: the porno mag belonged to Ripley. 
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Aug 31, 2021 14:50
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The pulse rifle is good! The penis-headed alien is evil!
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Aug 31, 2021 14:59
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Well duh. BowHAL would just sound stupid. "Kids and grown-ups love him so, the merged being Hal'n'bow" BooDooBoo has a new favorite as of 15:10 on Aug 31, 2021 |
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Aug 31, 2021 15:05
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I’m watching American Ultra and we see Mike putting a box of fireworks in the trunk of his car, which is subsequently blown up by the government. About half an hour later he has all of his fireworks back when he rides up in his mysteriously-sourced CIA humvee. The movie obviously isn’t a bastion of subtle movie moments but this was just eye-rollingly dumb to me.
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Aug 31, 2021 16:29
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Cowslips Warren posted:Can we at least agree that Ash and Bishop were far more interesting than David? No? Like maybe Ash, and probably not, but Bishop isn't even in the running.
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Crespolini posted:No? Like maybe Ash, and probably not, but Bishop isn't even in the running. That Italian Guy has a new favorite as of 16:58 on Aug 31, 2021 |
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One trope that I see a lot of which bugs me is "leave the gun" Like, I know the idea is to not get caught with a murder weapon but just about anything seems like a better idea than placing it right by the murder victim on your way out. A storm drain, a dumpster, a lake or just about anywhere feels like a better plan than just handing the cops a crucial piece of evidence no matter how "untraceable" they think it is. Only way that makes sense at all to me is if it can be connected to someone the killer(s) wants to frame. I think I remember reading somewhere that that was an invention of the movies - specifically The Godfather - and isn't really something actual criminals do.
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BiggerBoat posted:I think I remember reading somewhere that that was an invention of the movies - specifically The Godfather - and isn't really something actual criminals do.
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Aug 31, 2021 16:59
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That Italian Guy posted:But what about the cannoli? You take that.
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BiggerBoat posted:One trope that I see a lot of which bugs me is "leave the gun" One thing that comes to mind that I've seen in movies, so this is not relevant to real life obviously, but the idea that you want things tied up as neatly as possible for the cops. If the cops find a guy dead and the murder weapon is right there at the scene, but it provides no leads, that's it. No witnesses, no physical evidence on the murder weapon, there's not much to investigate. They knock on some doors in the neighborhood and that's probably it, investigation over. If the weapon is missing, that's something to investigate. They start looking for registered guns of that caliber, they start asking gun shops about it etc. etc. Point is, there are cops out there actively investigating and the longer that goes on the higher the chances they stumble on something that they wouldn't have otherwise. So you take a calculated risk to leave the weapon at the scene for the larger benefit of giving the cops the appearance of a dead end that's not even worth investigating. Anyway it's movie logic but I think it works.
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Nah you out that poo poo in a backpack and have Bodie throw it off the bridge into the river
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ilmucche posted:Nah you out that poo poo in a backpack and have Bodie throw it off the bridge into the river 
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Also keep in mind for the “leave the gun” thing is it’s a movie from the 70s set in the 40s, so a lot of what would be done to trace the weapon today like DNA or whatever wouldn’t have been a consideration. I don’t even know if cars back then had VINs or stuff to make them as easily traceable as well.
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Yeah I don't either but it's notable in Godfather 2 (which takes place like 40 years before the first one) Vito goes to great lengths to disassemble the weapon he uses to kill Fannucci and dumps the separate parts down several different smoke stacks - but I don't recall where he got it either and it's made clear in part 1 that the gun Micheal uses is cold and untraceable so it wouldn't matter. Still though... Just always seemed weird to me to leave the murder weapon lying right there and make investigators' jobs easier. In a lot of murder cases, the absence of a proven weapon can hamstring the prosecution. If I were to break into a warehouse or crack safe, I'd just as soon not leave my crowbar, disguise, gloves and drill at the scene no matter how cold I thought that poo poo was. I'm not saying carry it around or stash it all in the trunk of your car but gently caress if I'd leave it there. I can't find a definitive answer one way or the other if this is just a movie trope or something real mobsters actually did/do.
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I'd guess it's mostly to do with how likely you are to be caught with the gun before you can dispose of it. If you can take the gun somewhere else and get rid of it so it'll never be found, that's obviously the best thing to do. But if you're likely to encounter the police first, probably better to drop the gun ASAP so they at least have to try and prove that the Webley-Fosbery .38 with one round fired belonged to you, rather than catching you with the murder weapon.
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Dropping the gun tends to take place during hits that are very public and loud so there’s more of a chance of them getting caught with the murder weapon while getting away. Paul Castellano being murdered in front of a restaurant in Midtown Manhattan right before Christmas in front of hundreds of people is a perfect example.
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Sunswipe posted:I'd guess it's mostly to do with how likely you are to be caught with the gun before you can dispose of it. If you can take the gun somewhere else and get rid of it so it'll never be found, that's obviously the best thing to do. But if you're likely to encounter the police first, probably better to drop the gun ASAP so they at least have to try and prove that the Webley-Fosbery .38 with one round fired belonged to you, rather than catching you with the murder weapon. I understand that and realize I'm being irrational and everything. But I'd at least toss that poo poo somewhere though. Hell, I'd drop it in the nearest storm drain, the bed of a pick up truck, in a dumpster or under the wheel well of a parked car before I'd drop it in plain sight right nest to the body in front of 10 witnesses who all just saw my face when I shot a motherfucker. But that's just me. Next time I murder a guy, I'll let y'all know how my poo poo panned out and pass along any helpful tidbits I pick up. ... This discussion also reminded me too: Not a movie but in a Sopranos episode, all the mobsters are in a casino adjacent restaurant, quite visible (sending drinks to another table) and all seated together at a big table. When the waiter follows 2 of them outside to bitch about his tip, they kill him with a brick to the head, rob him and haul rear end. These guys are all under constant surveillance and FBI investigation. Some of them are reknown in general and they're all known to local police. I never thought it would take long for the cops to piece together who was sitting at the last table that waiter was serving before he got his head bashed in. They paid cash so no credit card tracing but still...The whole staff and even a few customers saw all of them and the staff probably knew the guy got stiffed. I'd imagine there'd be cameras if it was a casino joint. SOme of the crew says they want to hit the tables after dinner. I honestly thought it was going to become a plot point it was so brazen, spontaneous and sloppy - especially since it was Paulie and Chris - but nope. Here's the scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0sEMmb8t0U Small place, two known mob bosses sitting at a 10 top. BiggerBoat has a new favorite as of 21:55 on Aug 31, 2021 |
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BiggerBoat posted:Vito goes to great lengths to disassemble the weapon he uses to kill Fannucci and dumps the separate parts down several different smoke stacks - but I don't recall where he got it
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Bishop was my favorite Android but he wasn't much of a chess player, cause even though he's named after one of the most powerful pieces, he still gets taken by a queen 
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Bishop was my favorite Android but he wasn't much of a chess player, cause even though he's named after one of the most powerful pieces, he still gets taken by a queen wikipedia posted:The knife game, pinfinger, nerve, bishop, knife fingies, five finger fillet (FFF), or "stab between the fingers game", is a game wherein, placing the palm...
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Here's a thing Ash Bishop Call David
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BiggerBoat posted:I understand that and realize I'm being irrational and everything. Whose gonna testify against a known mobster who just killed someone for essentially no reason?
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Bishop was my favorite Android but he wasn't much of a chess player, cause even though he's named after one of the most powerful pieces, he still gets taken by a queen Bishops are tied for least valuable piece with knights behind pawns 
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Beachcomber posted:Here's a thing Euclave
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Bishop was definitely more likable than David but also much less interesting
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Biplane posted:Euclave I would've gone with Enid or Edith.
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Beachcomber posted:Here's a thing ECA Rep Frost Gorman Hicks Insurance Man James Cameron ... van Leuwen Med Tech Newt cOcOOned wOman Power Loader Operator vasQuez Ripley simple
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Watched Greenland last night and hoo boy that movie is full of irritating movie moments. Just the whole timeline of the movie makes no sense. From the point where the movie says the asteroid is going to hit in 48 hrs the characters: Get packed, drive to warner robins get separated on the base, wander around trying to find each other independently decide to meet in Kentucky find someone to hitch a ride from both rides go sideways and they get stranded again find other rides wind up in Kentucky drive to Canada fly to Greenland Just the drive time alone on that is like 20 hours, under the best conditions, not accounting for all the stops they had to make Also when the dad gives them his bigass truck and says it's got a full tank and then they drive to Canada, drat near 850 miles. The random "husband cheated on the wife" subplot that served zero purpose How the diabetic kid survives 9 months underground with a weeks supply of insulin. The conversation at the beginning of the movie when the husband tells the wife that he got an alert from homeland security. It very clearly says "THIS IS NOT A TEST" Wife: "Do you think maybe it's a test?" Husband: "I dont know...maybe" gently caress that movie was garbage
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