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apatheticman posted:We (Alberta) got a press release saying old people in nursing homes and immunocompromised people. They didn't even entertain a press conference. Well Kenney is in France and Deena Hinshsw is currently halfway under the wheels of a bus driven by Tyler Shandro. They made a huge gaffe when they announced the best summer ever and they're afraid to come out.
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Aug 31, 2021 01:38
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iv46vi posted:Here’s something I can’t figure out: Are the people forcing Trudeau campaign events to be cancelled in different places organize and travel around to follow him or are there really that much hatred for the libs all around Ontario. The right always talks about paid left wing protesters and we know that everything the right complains about is projection, so it's 100% people who are being paid to do this. ColdBlooded fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Aug 31, 2021 |
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Aug 31, 2021 01:43
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I felt that Hinshaw probably had the worst job in the whole world at some point last year. Then I woke up and realized that she is probably playing the long game and her self-interest is going to pay off in the long run.
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Aug 31, 2021 02:17
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Old Swerdlow posted:I see that cities in Alberta are finally doing something about the surging COVID cases. My city Edmonton just voted to reintroduce the face mask by-law. Quelle surprise that Mike "Bought and paid for by the UPC" Nickel is one of the dissenting votes. I watched some of his pissing and moaning in a tweet after the vote. When our new cases are in quadruple digits and patients are being shuffled around from city to city for the possibility of room, a mask mandate is literally the least we can do.
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Aug 31, 2021 03:19
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Arc Hammer posted:Well Kenney is in France and Deena Hinshsw is currently halfway under the wheels of a bus driven by Tyler Shandro. They made a huge gaffe when they announced the best summer ever and they're afraid to come out. hot icu summer
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Aug 31, 2021 03:46
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Count Roland posted:... I'm kinda wondering what your alternative here is, if mandating vaccines and cutting down largely on the amount of spread and severe cases doesn't seem that useful to you. Like, am I interpreting this right when I read it as "well, mandates won't give us 100% vaccination rates, but even if it did, it won't prevent all deaths, so ???" Because if so, I am struggling to find a fourth option after my beloved provinces choice of Let 'er Rip While The Premier Fiddles, vaccine passports banning public life for the unvaccinated, and a vaccine mandate with some sort of legal penalty if you fail to comply short of being lethally allergic to the vaccine. So, what do you figure should be done here, as it seems you don't care for any of the other options?
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Aug 31, 2021 05:58
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i absolutely would take the PC's money to heckle Trudeau, what an amazing job.
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Aug 31, 2021 05:59
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half cocaine posted:I felt that Hinshaw probably had the worst job in the whole world at some point last year. Then I woke up and realized that she is probably playing the long game and her self-interest is going to pay off in the long run. Pay off how? She convinced people she was reasonable and trustworthy when she's been a blatant UCP stooge the entire time.
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Aug 31, 2021 07:51
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"We can't mandate vaccines because it will make some people upset" is certainly a take. This is exactly why there are rules and laws in place that come into effect when there are extraordinary circumstances. BC's vaccination rate spiked when they announced the mandate. People were bitching about it and doing their facebook posts but they got vaccinated. That is the point. People have died because of the lack of hospital space available. It's not about the number of cases, it's about our ability to continue to effectively treat people instead of them dying at home. And you prefer that to continue because you feel bad about imposing things on people in a global crisis. I can't say I understand that perspective at all.
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Aug 31, 2021 13:25
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I don't know how many there are but I'm sure there are people that were just dragging their feet and weren't explicitly anti-vax until the mandates started happening.
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Aug 31, 2021 13:27
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The actual percentage of people who say definitively they won't get a vaccine is only about 10%, and it's been trending downwards (I think at the beginning of the year it was closer to 15%?) https://globalnews.ca/news/7960345/covid-canada-vaccine-hesitancy-poll/ We're at 83% of eligible right now, so there's not that much room for more people to get vaccinated, but still, the difference between 85 and 90% is significant. I've heard some people say that this will further push away the hardcore antivaxx people, but IMO they're a lost cause anyway, there's no rational argument that will convince them, and you'd probably have to get to the level of physically forcing a vaccine on them (which I don't see happening anytime soon). Besides which, if the end result is that antivaxx people just can't do non-essential risky activities while there's still a lot of active cases, but never get vaccinated, that's still a win in my books.
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Aug 31, 2021 13:36
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The way I see it the hardcore antivaxx problem is going to take care itself as they all liquify their insides with horse medicine.
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Aug 31, 2021 13:42
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enki42 posted:The actual percentage of people who say definitively they won't get a vaccine is only about 10%, and it's been trending downwards (I think at the beginning of the year it was closer to 15%?) Good. They compare themselves to genocide victims and actively hurt everyone around them. They're want to whine persecution, let them loving have a tiny bit of it.
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Aug 31, 2021 14:24
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UnknownMercenary posted:The way I see it the hardcore antivaxx problem is going to take care itself as they all liquify their insides with horse medicine. As someone (appropriately) added to one of my posts earlier: the problem is that while these loving morons do this, they're seriously messing up the health system for the rest of us because they're taking up ICU time and beds. In Manitoba (and I'm sure this has happened all over) a family was prevented from seeing their family member in hospital because the only room they could find for her was shared with an anti-vaxxer and it wasn't safe for the family to be in there with her. (https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/winnipeg-family-denied-hospital-room-visit-due-to-unvaccinated-patient-sharing-room-1.5566708) poo poo like that is infuriating and I know people say "well let's make hospitals dedicated to non-vaccinated people" and that's a satisfying thought experiment but isn't happening so we need to consider more realistic ways to deal with these assholes. Cocaine Bear posted:Good. They compare themselves to genocide victims and actively hurt everyone around them. They're want to whine persecution, let them loving have a tiny bit of it. So many of these people are white people in their 30s-40s who are experiencing a trivial inconvenience (having to wear a mask) but have lived lives of such privilege that they now think they're like holocaust survivors. InfiniteZero fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Aug 31, 2021 |
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Aug 31, 2021 14:46
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The problem with looking at the vaccination rate as a whole is that it doesn't account for the fact that most "communities" are either vastly higher or vastly lower than the overall average. If you break down the Alberta data by region, for example, there's areas where the vaccination rate is extremely good, and other where it's like 20-50% of eligible. Outbreaks seem to be burning through specific places, which is bad and affects our ability to provide healthcare -- despite an overall "decent" vaccination rate. This is going to be very bad when schools open, because under-12s have 0% vaccination.
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Aug 31, 2021 14:49
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Won’t take a vaccine - will take a horse dewormer
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Aug 31, 2021 14:54
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enki42 posted:I've heard some people say that this will further push away the hardcore antivaxx people, but IMO they're a lost cause anyway, there's no rational argument that will convince them, and you'd probably have to get to the level of physically forcing a vaccine on them (which I don't see happening anytime soon). Besides which, if the end result is that antivaxx people just can't do non-essential risky activities while there's still a lot of active cases, but never get vaccinated, that's still a win in my books. I can't imagine how someone whose stance is "I will never take the vaccine under any circumstances" could be pushed further away. I think those folks would be more easily reached if more of their friends and family ended up getting the vaccine despite espousing similar views, than by society saying "actually, you're right, we don't care if you put us in danger, that's fine." Appeasement doesn't work.
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Aug 31, 2021 14:57
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ZeeBoi posted:Won’t take a vaccine - will take a horse dewormer I blame Dungeons & Dragons for the fact that I keep misreading the thing as “horse dweomer” and thinking people are doing magic spells, and actually they kind of are.
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Aug 31, 2021 15:04
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Glimpse posted:I blame Dungeons & Dragons for the fact that I keep misreading the thing as “horse dweomer” and thinking people are doing magic spells, and actually they kind of are. I found out yesterday dweomer is literally a word Gary Gygax made up so yeah you’re not wrong
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Aug 31, 2021 15:08
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https://twitter.com/CanadianPolling/status/1432705390760927253?s=20 This election is wild
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Aug 31, 2021 15:15
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DariusLikewise posted:https://twitter.com/CanadianPolling/status/1432705390760927253?s=20 So very close to scolding Liberal voters for splitting the NDP vote and letting the Cons in.
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Aug 31, 2021 15:50
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So uh how's that Green campaign going?
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Aug 31, 2021 15:56
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yippee cahier posted:So very close to scolding Liberal voters for splitting the NDP vote and letting the Cons in. Looking forward to the liberals going full attack mode on the NDP and ignoring the conservatives
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Aug 31, 2021 15:58
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eXXon posted:So uh how's that Green campaign going? Essentially non-existant
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Aug 31, 2021 16:05
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enki42 posted:Looking forward to the liberals going full attack mode on the NDP and ignoring the conservatives liberals would absolutely prefer the conservatives take power.
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Aug 31, 2021 16:19
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eXXon posted:So uh how's that Green campaign going? I really wish they'd chosen a better time to implode. And oh good the giving PPC is still around and slightly more popular? Boooo.
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Aug 31, 2021 17:21
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Count Roland posted:I really wish they'd chosen a better time to implode. I've been seeing more people standing behind that banner these days. They've taken the hard anti-vax stance and that's enough for some.
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Aug 31, 2021 17:36
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Tomorrow the Green candidate for Ottawa Centre is going down to the Glebe to publicly close her accounts at RBC in protest of consumer gas-card rebate programs. Not that she had much of a chance to win in Ottawa Centre to begin with. It might actually be a fairly close race. Naqvi is the Liberal candidate and he lost the provincial race against NDP Joel Harden, so Federal NDP candidate Angela McEwan might have a good shot at embarrassing Naqvi a second time.
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Aug 31, 2021 17:44
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lolololquote:First Nations leaders endorse Liberal candidate while at an NDP event The end of the road for Niki Ashton?
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Aug 31, 2021 17:48
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Furnaceface posted:CBC doing a story on how Alberta vets are running out of horse dewormer because of loving course Alberta. In defence of this dumb province, it's not just stupid Albertans that are driving this thing per the article: quote:"One store said at its peak it was receiving requests for one to two online orders per day from out of province, many to downtown Vancouver." Edit: /\ Feels like the NDP should start vetting their speakers a little more/at all MakaVillian fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Aug 31, 2021 |
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Aug 31, 2021 18:18
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DariusLikewise posted:https://twitter.com/CanadianPolling/status/1432705390760927253?s=20 Even if this turns around for the Libs by the 20th, the fact that it's going wrong so close to the end means whoever decided a snap election was a good idea should not be giving out ideas to political parties anymore. It's probably the vaccine mandates hitting at the exact wrong time that's tipping it over. But they should have known that was a strong possibility and would make them less popular as the government in power, regardless of how much fault the Federal government has in their implementation. EDIT: cursed but lulz 
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Aug 31, 2021 18:22
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The good majority are for restrictions and vaccine mandates though. We'll see how this plays out. It's the vocal plague rats screaming the most and also threatening violence on Trudeau. Let em rot.
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Aug 31, 2021 18:24
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Orthanc6 posted:Even if this turns around for the Libs by the 20th, the fact that it's going wrong so close to the end means whoever decided a snap election was a good idea should not be giving out ideas to political parties anymore. The snap election has been literally the Liberal plan for a year and a half, they just had to postpone it to absorb the pandemic handling into their platform. The whole thing has always been rigged at the leadership levels of the LPC.
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Aug 31, 2021 18:32
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They definitely underestimated how angry people would be calling an election right now. I get that they were riding high in opinion polls but it seems like a real short-sighted move, especially when they knew a 4th wave was coming or was already here.
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Aug 31, 2021 18:35
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Arivia posted:The snap election has been literally the Liberal plan for a year and a half, they just had to postpone it to absorb the pandemic handling into their platform. The whole thing has always been rigged at the leadership levels of the LPC. Yeah I remember people expecting a mid-term election pretty much right after 2019, and yeah usually minority governments do it to try and grab the majority again. But if it was sheer momentum of the party that leads them to call an election at this high-risk moment, it's still on them and whoever pulls their strategy strings. I mean I'm never voting for the Libs so I'm totally fine with them shooting themselves in the foot. Just saying whoever made this call, make sure they're not calling the shots for whichever party you're voting for in the future.
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Aug 31, 2021 18:38
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Count Roland posted:vaccinated people can still transmit the virus I hate seeing this repeated as though it implies vaccinated people aren't any less likely to transmit the virus. They're much less likely to get infected, and even if they do get infected, their viral load is slightly lower and they don't remain infectious for quite as long. So vaccinated people are indeed much less likely to transmit the virus. MakaVillian posted:They definitely underestimated how angry people would be calling an election right now. I get that they were riding high in opinion polls but it seems like a real short-sighted move, especially when they knew a 4th wave was coming or was already here. The polling says people don't like the timing of the election call but that it won't affect their vote.
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Aug 31, 2021 18:42
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I wonder if they saw the back lash to provincial premiers handling of the third wave and cynically bet that the premiers would handle the fourth wave just as badly, and that would give the liberals a boost. People hated Ford at the peak of the 3rd wave. He's been hiding but will need to come out at some point. Unless he pulls a Kenney and hides forever. But people don't like that either. If things go bad the liberals will say "do you want a conservative federal government on top of the conservative provincial governments you have?"
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Aug 31, 2021 18:45
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Well Alberta isn't rolling out a vaccine passport. Instead they are releasing a "conveniently sized paper card" that shows your covid immunization records that you can download from the provincial health website. Totally different!
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Aug 31, 2021 18:53
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tagesschau posted:I hate seeing this repeated as though it implies vaccinated people aren't any less likely to transmit the virus. They're much less likely to get infected, and even if they do get infected, their viral load is slightly lower and they don't remain infectious for quite as long. So vaccinated people are indeed much less likely to transmit the virus. At that point, you are in risk management territory which is a thing as a species we are REALLY bad at dealing with. Additionally I feel that there are a LOT of people that think vaccinated = immune, since that is generally how vaccines are perceived to work and media has incorrectly leaned that way (though not universally so.) I would rather err on the side of being overly cautious on the risk of infection among the vaccinated.
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Aug 31, 2021 18:57
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The conspiracy mind in me thinks that this election might have been a set up by insiders to turf Trudeau and bring in a new leader. I have heard a rumor that Mark Carney is being groomed as a replacement.
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