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Sickening posted:https://twitter.com/SaffronOlive/status/1432758898793107459?s=20 https://twitter.com/SaffronOlive/status/1432746100667133957
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That seems like standard bluffing behaviour. I see absolutely no problem with it.
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Aug 31, 2021 22:26
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I'll say good game back and then sit at attackers while I go get a drink.
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Aug 31, 2021 22:30
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Saying GG any other time than right before you concede is already toxic. Bluffing with it is just reinforces that you shouldn't even say it back to them when they do.
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Aug 31, 2021 22:37
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Lmao if you don't mute every opponent as soon as the match starts
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Aug 31, 2021 22:41
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that's not a bluff that's an angle shoot. pretty scummy imo but i'm coming at it from the poker world viewpoint. you should always protect yourself though, and assume all your opponents are playing with this mindset and not be tricked into doing things like this... especially if you know that card existed in your opponent's colors.
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Aug 31, 2021 22:45
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As a bad player I’ve won games where people telegraphed Settle the Wreckage with “Good Game”, as it made me remember I shouldn’t be attacking with all my many creatures because I didn’t need to do that to win. If they’d just not bluffed I’d have forgotten to hold back, then been blown out
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Aug 31, 2021 22:49
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Play with emotes off. My enjoyment of arena increased significantly when I started doing so.
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Aug 31, 2021 22:50
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Irony Be My Shield posted:That seems like standard bluffing behaviour. I see absolutely no problem with it. if you're adjusting your play and punting matches based on your opponent using an emote, then you're at fault for your loss and not your opponent imo
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Aug 31, 2021 23:16
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MeinPanzer posted:Play with emotes off.
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Aug 31, 2021 23:53
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Emotes have no game meaning. They exist purely to express yourself to your opponent. Would acting frustrated when the card you drew is actually good qualify as poor sportsmanship or angle-shooting?little munchkin posted:if you're adjusting your play and punting matches based on your opponent using an emote, then you're at fault for your loss and not your opponent imo
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Aug 31, 2021 23:58
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Keeping emotes on is great cause it whips rear end when somebody ggs you too early and then you spam it back while playing as slow as possible to beat them
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Aug 31, 2021 23:58
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Good Game is only obnoxious if you spam it and the idea that people are getting hopping mad at a genuine GG is such a pissy baby mentality
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Sep 1, 2021 00:23
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I don't think there's anything particularly unethical about trying to goad someone into an attack like that with an emote - it's not something I would ever do but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. If someone is saying Good Game and not conceding shortly afterwards I'm going to be super suspicious, there's no reason to do it other than being smug and lovely or a manipulation like this.
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Sep 1, 2021 00:27
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i spam good game because to me, mtg is just a good game
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Sep 1, 2021 00:30
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kalvanoo posted:i spam good game because to me, mtg is just a good game wow, look at this lil perv
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Sep 1, 2021 00:42
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kalvanoo posted:i spam good game because to me, mtg is just a good game there's a hotspot between the emote button and the player icon where you can open the menu and select the emote without moving your mouse, so you can set an autoclicker and go to town
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Sep 1, 2021 00:47
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odiv posted:I'm guessing it's where you're holding Settle on Arena and your opponent has lethal on board so you say Good Game like you're dead to goad them into swinging all out instead of just a couple creatures for lethal. I do that all the time. I hit "Oops" after I swing with everything and have a combat trick, sometimes they block poorly. Who knows if my "Oops" had anything to do with it.
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Sep 1, 2021 00:51
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I think a fake concession good game is pretty clearly bad sportsmanship, and LSV's thing was too, but all you can control is your reaction to it, so there's not really much point in getting angry about it.
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Sep 1, 2021 00:56
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Sinteres posted:I think a fake concession good game is pretty clearly bad sportsmanship, and LSV's thing was too, but all you can control is your reaction to it, so there's not really much point in getting angry about it. LSV move wasn't bad sportsmanship, it was good gamesmanship. Its about as innocent as a bluff could be in the magic world. I am sure his opponent saw the replay and laughed about it.
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Sep 1, 2021 01:07
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kalvanoo posted:i spam good game because to me, mtg is just a good game Post + avatar combo
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Sep 1, 2021 01:13
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Bluffing is fair game as long as you're not actively misrepresenting visible information on the board imo.
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Sep 1, 2021 01:21
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Mike N Eich posted:I don't think there's anything particularly unethical about trying to goad someone into an attack like that with an emote - it's not something I would ever do but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. What is your opinion of that one poker player who went all in on the first chance several times in a row while never looking at his cards?
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Sep 1, 2021 01:22
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someone explain the lsv video. the guy grabbed a vampire token to..? signal he was doing something else rather than play settle the wreckage?
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Sep 1, 2021 01:24
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Strong Sauce posted:someone explain the lsv video. the guy grabbed a vampire token to..? signal he was doing something else rather than play settle the wreckage? He was bluffing he had settle, and grabbing the vampire was saying to his opponent “I’m going to spend 4 mana to make this blocker, so if it helps you with the math, here is a token”.
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Sep 1, 2021 01:32
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MeinPanzer posted:Play with emotes off.
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Sep 1, 2021 01:49
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mandatory lesbian posted:What is your opinion of that one poker player who went all in on the first chance several times in a row while never looking at his cards? I wish I could have Gus Hansen's moxie and presence, personally.
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Sep 1, 2021 02:24
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uggy posted:Keeping emotes on is great cause it whips rear end when somebody ggs you too early and then you spam it back while playing as slow as possible to beat them Before it got banned someone GG'ed me when they dropped a book of exalted deeds on their faceless haven. I was playing rogues, proceeded to mill their entire deck, and then forced them to sit through 45 minutes of me slow playing the deck and getting their life count to -450. They finally conceded and it was both the most satisfying and most degenerate thing I've ever done in Magic.
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Sep 1, 2021 02:36
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Adun posted:Before it got banned someone GG'ed me when they dropped a book of exalted deeds on their faceless haven. I was playing rogues, proceeded to mill their entire deck, and then forced them to sit through 45 minutes of me slow playing the deck and getting their life count to -450. They finally conceded and it was both the most satisfying and most degenerate thing I've ever done in Magic. what you're describing here is your opponent winning, telling you that they've won in case you missed it happening, and then you had a tantrum for almost an hour about it
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Sep 1, 2021 02:42
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Adun posted:Before it got banned someone GG'ed me when they dropped a book of exalted deeds on their faceless haven. I was playing rogues, proceeded to mill their entire deck, and then forced them to sit through 45 minutes of me slow playing the deck and getting their life count to -450. They finally conceded and it was both the most satisfying and most degenerate thing I've ever done in Magic. Can't say I get this at all. I've definitely played long games against Sparky just to get numbers up for fun, so I guess I can see the appeal in that part, but slow playing through a game is just tedious and unfun and I can't imagine doing it just to try to own someone online.
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Sep 1, 2021 02:46
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Sure eventually I would mill myself out and if they wanted to play it out I would’ve been happy to do so. Why should I concede if I don’t want to?
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Sep 1, 2021 02:48
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Hey thread, let me tell you about this time I was super petty over a game with no stakes. It was really cool.
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Sep 1, 2021 02:52
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Sickening posted:Hey thread, let me tell you about this time I was super petty over a game with no stakes. It was really cool. But like the entire win condition of the deck in that game was that I would mill myself out. They had no other way to win. It’s petty to actually make them beat me? I don’t get that. TBC wasn’t roping or anything, just casting spells and attacking like normal
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Sep 1, 2021 02:54
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Adun posted:But like the entire win condition of the deck in that game was that I would mill myself out. They had no other way to win. It’s petty to actually make them beat me? They couldn't lose and you couldn't win. The rest is just pettiness. But at the end of the day, its your time too, do what you like. Sickening fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Sep 1, 2021 |
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Sep 1, 2021 02:57
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Adun posted:But like the entire win condition of the deck in that game was that I would mill myself out. They had no other way to win. It’s petty to actually make them beat me? When you said slow playing through 45 minutes it sounded like you were roping the whole time. If you legit didn't have win cons, I guess you didn't do anything wrong except play a boring deck.
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mandatory lesbian posted:What is your opinion of that one poker player who went all in on the first chance several times in a row while never looking at his cards? There are poker situations, depending on your stack etc., in which this is legitimately a great play. I've seen this done by pros in tournaments more than once, although you're probably referring to Gus Hanson. By not looking at your cards, you are telling the table that they're going to either have to have good cards, or fold to you - you cannot be bluffing, you cannot be honestly representing a good draw, they must play their own deal purely. You would typically only do this if you were short-stacked and being killed by the blinds & antes - in that situation (in tournaments typically, because you can re-buy in regular cash games) you are forced to shove all-in with marginal hands to try to double-up, and the rest of the table, if they know anything about poker, know it. By taking away the factor of them questioning whether you are playing on their knowledge and shoving with awful cards, they have to instead assume you have an "average" hand instead and play accordingly. But given that is the typical (albeit rare) case, you could in a game with pros, sorta reference it by doing it even when you're not short-stacked, or even at a cash game, etc. Playing several hands blind is removing a certain factor from the game, which you could choose to do strategically. Perhaps another player is bullying the table (with their bets, of course), or someone else is shoving too frequently, or something like that. It's an option for a defensive move. It would be bad to do this too much, because it's super exploitable, but doing it for a few hands in a row as a conscious choice kind of owns. Gus Hanson has a really terrific youtube series/channel (https://www.youtube.com/c/CrushlivePoker), he's got a weekly call-in audio show that includes fans calling in with (pre-screened) hands to analyze. He'll pick good examples and show them on youtube with the cards and amounts displayed and use each one as a case study. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Sep 1, 2021 |
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Sickening posted:Hey thread, let me tell you about this time I was super petty over a game with no stakes. It was really cool. FNM, 2018, I...
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Adun posted:wasn’t roping or anything, Adun posted:45 minutes of me slow playing the deck 
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Adun posted:Before it got banned someone GG'ed me when they dropped a book of exalted deeds on their faceless haven. I was playing rogues, proceeded to mill their entire deck, and then forced them to sit through 45 minutes of me slow playing the deck and getting their life count to -450. They finally conceded and it was both the most satisfying and most degenerate thing I've ever done in Magic. this is the sort of person whose feelings we are supposed to spare by not saying "good game" when you win
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Strong Sauce posted:that's not a bluff that's an angle shoot. pretty scummy imo but i'm coming at it from the poker world viewpoint. Who the gently caress augments their play patterns based on the opponents emote usage? What on earth. If you don’t play around settle the wreckage it’s tour own drat fault, it doesn’t matter if the opponent GGs you or not Paul Zuvella fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Sep 1, 2021 |
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