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Coredump posted:It seemed from the press videos there was a model of the Toyota GR86 without the Subaru Eyesight system. My question is there a BRZ trim that doesn't have it either? Eyesight is only available on the automatic twins. It’s not an option for the manual GR86/BRZ
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Coredump posted:The scale on the torque graph make the torque dip look massive. Holy smokes that torque curve looks just as hosed as before. What causes that? And didn’t the aftermarket figure out how to fix it on the first gen?
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Sep 1, 2021 07:13
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Zoom Zoom, motherfuckers
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At least peak torque comes on sooner lol
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Sep 1, 2021 07:37
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I've been in boxer-engined cars before and they never felt like they had any sort of dip in power midway through the rev range. What the gently caress is going on with these cars?
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Sep 1, 2021 10:18
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I've been in boxer-engined cars before and they never felt like they had any sort of dip in power midway through the rev range. What the gently caress is going on with these cars? Switchover of the fuel injection methods I believe - There's a port as well as a direct fuel system. MCM did a video on it and how to tune the dip out.
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Sep 1, 2021 10:56
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I figure it’s some byproduct of tuning to hit some regulatory target, to pass some test cycle for emissions or what have you. Edit: or that ^^^ makes way more sense
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Sep 1, 2021 10:58
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Also that video does not feature a stock BRZ - its got an exhaust on it so I'd be somewhat hesitant to draw too much from it until we see a genuine bog stocker.
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Sep 1, 2021 11:02
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Pr0kjayhawk posted:Holy smokes that torque curve looks just as hosed as before. What causes that? And didn’t the aftermarket figure out how to fix it on the first gen? Oh my god yeah I thought they improved that think solution aftermarket is to replace the exhaust headers/cat and tune it so assume that would still work here
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Sep 1, 2021 15:56
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Ace header and tune completely removed the dip on my old BRZ.
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Sep 1, 2021 16:16
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Coredump posted:The scale on the torque graph make the torque dip look massive.
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Sep 1, 2021 16:50
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Also that video does not feature a stock BRZ - its got an exhaust on it so I'd be somewhat hesitant to draw too much from it until we see a genuine bog stocker. The video with the WRB BRZ has a stock exhaust. The white BRZ I posted earlier looks slightly modified though.
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Sep 1, 2021 16:57
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Gangringo posted:On the new Maverick it's over $2k I bet cruise could be added for the cost of the steering wheel buttons and unlocking it with forscan.
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Sep 1, 2021 16:57
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I feel like if the dip was noticeable all the journos would be screaming about it on YouTube.
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Sep 1, 2021 17:16
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Monkey Fracas posted:Oh my god yeah I thought they improved that So add another couple of grand to the initial price of the car just to get rid of the torque dip, lol.
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Sep 1, 2021 17:53
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I’m hoping with that torque peak early in the rev range there would be some flexibility left that with tuning you could smooth out the curve.
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Sep 1, 2021 17:57
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Russian Bear posted:I feel like if the dip was noticeable all the journos would be screaming about it on YouTube. Just going to echo this. Every bit of impressions about the car so far do not call attention to any dip (and in fact say it's gone from the previous car.) So, probably would be wise not to get too worked up yet.
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Sep 1, 2021 18:04
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don't care still buying one
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Sep 1, 2021 18:06
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bull3964 posted:Just going to echo this. Every bit of impressions about the car so far do not call attention to any dip (and in fact say it's gone from the previous car.) So, probably would be wise not to get too worked up yet. Based on those dynos the new torque dip is still higher than the peak of the old car. BraveUlysses posted:don't care still buying one hell yeah. Is your estimated delivery date still in Nov or did it get bumped up to Oct?
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Sep 1, 2021 18:22
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October but no specific date known yet. I recently got an email from the salesman indicating it had entered production.
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Sep 1, 2021 18:35
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BraveUlysses posted:don't care still buying one For sure, but it would be kinda lame if you felt like you had to fix a torque dip when it didn't have to have one to begin with for anything other than EPA reasons
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Sep 1, 2021 18:36
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Still blows my mind Subaru prices the WRX cheaper than the BRZ.
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Sep 1, 2021 20:28
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Having owned both at the same time, the BRZ is the better car (at least compared to last gen WRX.)
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Sep 1, 2021 20:36
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Applebees Appetizer posted:For sure, but it would be kinda lame if you felt like you had to fix a torque dip when it didn't have to have one to begin with for anything other than EPA reasons imo its good to regulate pollution
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Sep 1, 2021 20:47
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Variable geometry headers when (never)
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Sep 1, 2021 20:57
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Coredump posted:Still blows my mind Subaru prices the WRX cheaper than the BRZ. Is anyone lining up to buy the WRX? It's probably a pretty great option with a manual for an enthusiast car right now that still has some old school feel, but it seems I don't see it mentioned much.
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Sep 1, 2021 21:21
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Russian Bear posted:Is anyone lining up to buy the WRX? It's lovely because it's a sedan. Call me when they bring back the hatch.
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Sep 1, 2021 21:24
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It hasn’t had much change in 6 years. The new one will be announced any day now and I’m sure it will make some waves. Edit: Nohearum posted:It's lovely because it's a sedan. Call me when they bring back the hatch. 
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Sep 1, 2021 21:24
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Coredump posted:Still blows my mind Subaru prices the WRX cheaper than the BRZ. I said this same thing ITT before and as was pointed out then, the WRX is basically just another car they already sell with some go-fast slapped onto it, so the cost to develop it is lower. The BRZ -- sure they split the cost with Toyota -- is a lot more unique parts/R&D and is going to cost more just because of that.
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Coredump posted:Still blows my mind Subaru prices the WRX cheaper than the BRZ. not surprising when the WRX is ugly as gently caress
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Sep 1, 2021 21:31
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The frustrating thing is all the bits appear to be there already, they just aren't all available in one car.
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Sep 1, 2021 21:31
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BraveUlysses posted:not surprising when the WRX is ugly as gently caress In fact, they'd have to pay me to drive it!
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Sep 1, 2021 21:47
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BuckyDoneGun posted:I figure it’s some byproduct of tuning to hit some regulatory target, to pass some test cycle for emissions or what have you. Could easily be both. Back at uni, I was with a Formula SAE racing team and we had the chance to go visit the Toyota USA Museum in Torrance just before it closed. There was a relatively high up public relations/exec/something?? guy in attendance and he gave a bunch of us that had wandered into the museum a tour, and when someone asked him that question that's the answer he gave. That the torque dip is to hit a emissions target, with their reasoning being people who care about it will tune it out anyways so they 'left it up to the aftermarket'. This was in 2017 or so IIRC so maybe things are different now.
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since the Hyundai Santa Cruz is a big boy… new Dodge Rampage when?
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Nohearum posted:It's lovely because it's a sedan. Call me when they bring back the hatch. When the WRX had a wagon, it was better. When it became a hatch is when the nameplate went off the rails. Went softer and that rear suspension ...... not enough gently caress you to whomever came up with that nearly impossible to dial in idea. Symetrique posted:The video with the WRB BRZ has a stock exhaust. . Think I missed that one...?
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:When the WRX had a wagon, it was better. When it became a hatch is when the nameplate went off the rails. Went softer and that rear suspension ...... not enough gently caress you to whomever came up with that nearly impossible to dial in idea. This one: kimcicle posted:Another dyno video: I'm sure we'll see more soon now that deliveries have started.
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Russian Bear posted:I feel like if the dip was noticeable all the journos would be screaming about it on YouTube. The reviews I’ve seen all say it is still there but much improved and better low down torque makes it even less noticeable.
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Russian Bear posted:Is anyone lining up to buy the WRX? My impression of the current WRX is that it only really sells to Subaru loyalists. Anyone who had the money for a Golf R bought that instead, and everyone shopping in the price bracket that the WRX lives in decided that they could compromise on either the manual or AWD.
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Sab669 posted:I said this same thing ITT before and as was pointed out then, the WRX is basically just another car they already sell with some go-fast slapped onto it, so the cost to develop it is lower. No way Subaru had money to spend on BRZ, pretty sure Toyota foot that whole bill so the answer to "why doesn't Subaru do x" is always "Toyota wanted y".
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Symetrique posted:This one: Okay yeah that torque curve is messy but not like hugely noticable dips fro a drivers perspective.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Okay yeah that torque curve is messy but not like hugely noticable dips fro a drivers perspective. Yeah here's the dyno from the stock car vid if anyone's curious:  1 kgm = 7.233 lb-ft, so it loses about 18 ftlbs from 3500 rom to 4300. It looks like it loses 32.5 lbft from the torque peak of 26.5 kgm @ 3300 rpm to 22 kgm at 4300 rpm. TUNE TIME.
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