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Huh. After going pretty much radio silent the whole Trump Presidency, Dan Carlin is back with a new episode of Common Sense. The both sides-ism literally starts in the first two minutes, but don't worry he gets to 'things should have been done better' multiple times without the slightest hint of what his brilliant remedies are. Honestly I expect he was always this bad, but I just didn't notice pre Hell-Timeline.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:It had already started to slip after Elliott moved to LA but I think covid finished it for me. What happened with COVID? They were all remote from each other? Elliot's self-promotion and self-aggrandization was what started to wear on me first. Like when he said his child would be reading comic books and watching cartoons because that was all he consumed when he was a kid, and look how things turned out for him.
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Sep 1, 2021 15:11
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Deptfordx posted:Huh. Isn't Carlin a huge libertarian? It would explain a lot. I wish the dude would go back to doing podcasts set during ancient times as that seems to be what he is good at. Though his Pacific War series was so bad and bloated I almost wonder if he's just lost "it".
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Sep 1, 2021 15:36
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Isn't Carlin a huge libertarian? It would explain a lot. I think he's just been severely outclassed by other podcasts at this point. He was good in the early days of podcasting, but now you've got podcasts that are in a higher league. He's like a really good minor league pitcher that is just out of his depth compared to the major league pitchers like Fall of Civilizations, Revolutions, etc. It's like in boxing, when you have the older heavyweight going up against the newest champions. Sure he was good in his day, but the muscles don't quite work as well and the reflexes aren't a fast, he's still got a good right hook every once in a while but he's not winning in the long fight doing the same strategy he was as a young fighter.
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Sep 1, 2021 16:03
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Omnicarus posted:It's like in boxing, when you have the older heavyweight going up against the newest champions. Sure he was good in his day, but the muscles don't quite work as well and the reflexes aren't a fast, he's still got a good right hook every once in a while but he's not winning in the long fight doing the same strategy he was as a young fighter.  The past few years has seen a slew of terrific niche history podcasts that totally outclass Carlin's early work, while at the same time he's slipped more and more into Self-Indulgent History Stepdad territory. I don't see him pulling up at this point, but if he does make some sub-hour episodes on ancient history I'll still give 'em another shot.
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Sep 1, 2021 16:20
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There was other basic stuff that grated as well with Carlin. Like his multiple times pontificication of Afghanistan as always being known as The Graveyard of Empires. Which is historically nonsense. Or expressing disbelief that 300k ANA couldn't stop 75k Taliban when even MSM sources have been pointing out for the past couple of weeks that quite probably up to 2/3rds of the ANA were probably Ghost Soldiers (Non-existant troops placed on the books by their officers and the pay collected by them). Something that's been reported on (and previously ignored by the pundits) for years, but he seems not to either know or not care about. Dan Carlin seems to me now as one of those people who the more you personally know about a subject. The more mistakes you spot when they talk about it.
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Sep 1, 2021 18:38
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Deptfordx posted:Dan Carlin seems to me now as one of those people who the more you personally know about a subject. The more mistakes you spot when they talk about it. So he’s the Malcom Gladwell of history podcasts? (Yes, I know Malcom Gladwell also has a podcast)
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Sep 1, 2021 19:40
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Deptfordx posted:There was other basic stuff that grated as well with Carlin. I mean even if it was real if those 300k didn’t believe in the ANA it didn’t matter. They were recruited with the US backing them, not the actual ANA
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Sep 1, 2021 20:44
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The term "Graveyard of Empires" in reference to Afghanistan was coined after 9/11. There were actually plenty of empires that had no problem controlling it throughout history. Acebuckeye13 posted:the idea that a blabbermouth nightclub owner was a part of a deep conspiracy and took the secret to his grave even as he was dying of brain cancer is extremely dumb imo He stopped saying much of anything after Jolly West scrambled his brains.
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Sep 1, 2021 21:10
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AceOfFlames posted:So he’s the Malcom Gladwell of history podcasts? Nobody deserves a comparison to gladwell
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Sep 1, 2021 21:13
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Gaius Marius posted:Nobody deserves a comparison to gladwell You do 
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Sep 1, 2021 22:36
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feedmyleg posted:
Yeah pretty much, he’s stagnated while other podcasts have massively raised the bar. Even stuff focused on modern history like Slow Burn or Blowback is streets ahead of Carlin these days. His politics stuff was always awful though. As a non-American, the idea that you can just hand wave and both sides US politics since at least the Reagan era seems completely insane.
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Sep 1, 2021 23:09
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Not technically a podcast but Mike Duncan's new (audio)book is good.
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Sep 2, 2021 00:27
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uPen posted:Not technically a podcast but Mike Duncan's new (audio)book is good. Does he read his own audiobooks? I was curious about that.
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Sep 2, 2021 15:07
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AnEdgelord posted:Does he read his own audiobooks? I was curious about that. Yeah, he does
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Sep 2, 2021 15:16
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AnEdgelord posted:Does he read his own audiobooks? I was curious about that. "Of course I'll read the audiobook. I write things, and then read them to you. That's the nature of our relationship" - Mike Duncan, paraphrased, talking about the Lafayette book somewhere down the way
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Sep 2, 2021 15:48
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Patrick (Tides of History) Wyman did the audiobook for his recent book (THE VERGE), too.
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Sep 2, 2021 16:37
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I'm reading Wyman's book right now. It's alright, but I like my history books a notch or two crunchier. It essentially reads like a bunch of episodes of his podcast. Duncan's book is on deck.
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Sep 2, 2021 16:48
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Arrhythmia posted:"Of course I'll read the audiobook. I write things, and then read them to you. That's the nature of our relationship" - Mike Duncan, paraphrased, talking about the Lafayette book somewhere down the way I'm glad he understands this.
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Sep 2, 2021 16:52
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How do. You even both sides imperialism when both parties love it
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Sep 2, 2021 17:16
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evilpicard posted:How do. You even both sides imperialism when both parties love it You say both sides love imperialism.
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Sep 2, 2021 17:24
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CommonShore posted:I'm reading Wyman's book right now. It's alright, but I like my history books a notch or two crunchier. It essentially reads like a bunch of episodes of his podcast. Duncan's book is on deck. Yeah, I don't regret buying it because he rules and I want to support him financially, but I put it down basically feeling like I just read a fleshed out transcript of his episodes on the topics with a little bit of connective tissue between them.
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Sep 2, 2021 18:14
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punched my v-card at camp posted:Yeah, I don't regret buying it because he rules and I want to support him financially, but I put it down basically feeling like I just read a fleshed out transcript of his episodes on the topics with a little bit of connective tissue between them. That’s the curse of drat near every podcast that gets turned into a book, IMO Exactly the same way about Greg proofs’ book, the dollop book… I never read my copy of the storm before the storm because I was buying it more to support mike Duncan than out of any interest in Rome. But I’ve definitely seen that more than otherwise.
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Sep 2, 2021 18:56
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"Podcasters I like writing books" made me revisit John Dolan's writing which is always wonderful.
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Sep 2, 2021 18:59
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Yeah, Storm Before the Storm definitely feels like he pulled a dozen episodes of History of Rome, expanded on it and polished it up, but that was fine, it's still quite a fun ride even if you're like 'hahaha, oh it's about to get real good' and then the book ends.
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Sep 2, 2021 18:59
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Arrhythmia posted:You say both sides love imperialism. I mean they do? I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone pretend it’s a one sided thing
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Sep 2, 2021 19:16
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean they do? I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone pretend it’s a one sided thing You and I are agreeing. We're all agreeing here.
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Sep 2, 2021 19:19
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Arrhythmia posted:You and I are agreeing. We're all agreeing here. I’m not disagreeing I’m more suprised because of all the things I hear that both sides crap from I don’t think imperialism is one I’ve ever heard I’ve seen people say sure it’s imperialism but for good! But that is a different thing CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Sep 2, 2021 |
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Sep 2, 2021 19:30
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Arrhythmia posted:"Of course I'll read the audiobook. I write things, and then read them to you. That's the nature of our relationship" - Mike Duncan, paraphrased, talking about the Lafayette book somewhere down the way Somebody on twitter asked if he'd also read the audiobook for the French version and Mike's response was "lol no."
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Sep 2, 2021 19:45
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https://twitter.com/Patrick_Wyman/status/1433520164780183588
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Sep 2, 2021 21:31
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Oh, that should be good
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rotinaj posted:That’s the curse of drat near every podcast that gets turned into a book, IMO Out of interest, has anyone bought/read the Omega Tau book?
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Sep 3, 2021 03:20
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I bought both The Verge and Hero of Two Worlds, you can't stop me. I bought a second copy of The Verge for my dad for Father's Day but after about a quarter of HoTW I think this might have been more up his alley. Maybe next year!
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Sep 3, 2021 03:39
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I don't really care if the books are good, I bought them so the dudes get money and enough sales to be allowed to write more books. I've gotten hundreds of hours of free content from them, least I can do is buy the books. I liked The Storm Before the Storm though.
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Sep 3, 2021 03:47
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C-Euro posted:I bought both The Verge and Hero of Two Worlds, you can't stop me. Who said anything about stop, I consider it money well spent It just keeps happening.
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Sep 3, 2021 04:36
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Grand Fromage posted:I don't really care if the books are good, I bought them so the dudes get money and enough sales to be allowed to write more books. I've gotten hundreds of hours of free content from them, least I can do is buy the books. I liked The Storm Before the Storm though. That's pretty much why I bought them too. I also tweeted a picture of the books at them and it's my most-ever-liked tweet
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Sep 3, 2021 04:41
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Authors still get money if you purchase their audiobooks with Audible credits, right? I know it’s a stupid question, it’s just that given how much Bezos sucks, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some fuckery like Amazon taking an extra high cut when using credits or whatever.
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Sep 3, 2021 07:44
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I mean I read storm before the storm and it’s basically exactly what I expected it to be. What exactly did you all expect it to be? Or want it to be I guess?
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Sep 3, 2021 10:33
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean I read storm before the storm and it’s basically exactly what I expected it to be. What exactly did you all expect it to be? Or want it to be I guess? Who do you even think you are arguing with The only real person who slandered that book was me and it’s because I find Rome boring, I didn’t get very far in reading it because of that. But the main point I was, and feel did make, is that lots of podcasters wind up turning scripts from their show into a book, and very often that feels less interesting than it could be. My examples being Greg proops’ podcast book, the chapo podcast book, the dollop podcast book.
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The End is Always Near is also Dan Carlin shamelessly rehashing material from the show. The Last Podcast On The Left book at least had some nice art and new jokes.
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