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Norwegian Rudo posted:He's also a transphobe. That really shook me when I read about it because I had always adored that Charlene McGowan was drawn as a visibly trans woman without looking like a caricature. I can literally not think of another depiction of a trans woman in mainstream superhero comic (Cassandra in Wic/Div maybe if you count that as kind of a second-cousin to a superhero comic) felt as authentically lived in as Bennett's McGowan so it was kind of heartbreaking to learn about his transphobia.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Just curious, is there anyone here who has read all of the Spencer ASM run that would ever be willing to read it again? Read it again? Probably not, but I will say I don't really dislike it like a lot of people here do. This last arc has dragged but I don't think that makes the whole thing bad in retrospect. As far as general arcs go though I think most of the non-Kindred stuff has been pretty great*. All the stuff with Boomerang's face-then-heel-then-face-again turns, his opening (at least I think it was his opening? I forget) arc with Peter and Spider-Man getting separated into two different people, and stuff like Kraven vs. Every animal-themed character was pretty great. One thing I'll say is that if nothing else, I think Spencer is a better comedy writer than Slott so like... yeah, if you value humor in Spider-Man comics, which I certainly do, that's been good. *hell I kinda liked Kindred the first go-around even though that was more like The Sin-Eater arc featuring ominous narration from Kindred. Just so I don't seem like I'm some sort of Spencer stan, I will agree with everyone who's posted about it that I don't give a hot poo poo about who or what Kindred is. I mean I appreciate what he (Spencer I mean, not Kindred) seems to be going for in the sense that he's going to undo OMD but also explore the ramifications of "hey so Peter made a deal with the devil, you remember that, right? I feel like that should be a bigger deal" on the way but I don't need this centipede man cackling and monologue-ing all the time in the background to get the picture. Anyway tl;dr: probably won't re-read but I don't think it's bad. (Honestly I think the only comic run I'll reread from the past decade is Aaron's Thor because I genuinely cannot imagine it being topped.) TwoPair fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Sep 2, 2021 |
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Just curious, is there anyone here who has read all of the Spencer ASM run that would ever be willing to read it again? It's gonna depend on whether or not he can stick the landing, honestly. Spencer's big thing with Kindred seems almost to be a reflection of a certain segment of the audience in some ways - he's the guy going 'things should stop changing, all this character development doesn't matter because once you're a Spidey villain you're always a Spidey villain, and the suggestion that things could be otherwise makes me so mad you guys' - but honestly I don't know if that's deliberate or not. I think if it is there's a possibility that a satisfying wrap-up can be achieved, and that will make the whole run look better in hindsight... ...or it'll fall apart at the end, or it'll turn out I'm reading too much into the story, and it'll just make the whole run worse (and I haven't loved it to begin with). So... I guess we'll see!
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What Spencer has done with Norman is the best progress the character has ever had and it will of course be reset immediately.
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https://twitter.com/Al_Ewing/status/1433473008996397062 https://twitter.com/Al_Ewing/status/1433473562887720962
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It really makes you wonder why he was kept on the book. Probably Akira doesn't care.
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Really happy Ewing addressed this. I know Bennett is on that upcoming Timeless book, which I'd really like to buy to support another favorite writer and fellow goon, but not sure I can justify it.
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Rhyno posted:It really makes you wonder why he was kept on the book. Yeah, the art got enough attention and praise that he made some sort of internal calculation that it'd be better to keep Bennet. Probably vocalized it as something along the lines of "I just want to do what's best for the book."
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TwoPair posted:Read it again? Probably not, but I will say I don't really dislike it like a lot of people here do. Basically  I'm sure the fact he got Peter & MJ back together & seems to be looking to if not undo at least actually address OMD is probably making me look on it a little more favourably, but while there's been stumbles on the way, it's been consistently good, if not great. Which coming after Slott is a breath of fresh air.
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did Ewing comment on Joe Bennett circa the "Jewery" incident?
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FoneBone posted:did Ewing comment on Joe Bennett circa the "Jewery" incident? I don't think he ever did.
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glitchwraith posted:Really happy Ewing addressed this. I know Bennett is on that upcoming Timeless book, which I'd really like to buy to support another favorite writer and fellow goon, but not sure I can justify it. Yeah, I am definitely going to have to pass on Timeless if Bennett is a creator involved with it. Shameful Marvel is keeping him around.
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glitchwraith posted:Really happy Ewing addressed this. I know Bennett is on that upcoming Timeless book, which I'd really like to buy to support another favorite writer and fellow goon, but not sure I can justify it. I’m not posting this to disagree with you / or defend Bennett (he’a absolutely reprehensible), but I didn’t see it elaborated upon in the thread but apparently Timeless is a one shot like Incoming and 1000. So god willing because this is in the can, it can drop and Marvel can be done with him for good. Fingers crossed.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Yeah, I am definitely going to have to pass on Timeless if Bennett is a creator involved with it. Shameful Marvel is keeping him around. Timeless is apparently a one shot that has many different artists on it and he's just one of them. I understand anyone not wanting to purchase it for sure. I know I won't be buying any books Joe Bennett is a driving force of in the future. I'll have to see what the breakdown of this book is and how big a part he is. I still want to support people that deserve that support. I know that only a select few get to pick who they do work with. That being said it there's some new Joe Bennett drawn book in the pipeline then that's a failing on Marvel's end and I definitely won't be picking it up.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Just curious, is there anyone here who has read all of the Spencer ASM run that would ever be willing to read it again? Dude, I really liked the Boomerang stuff but that’s about it :/ Edit: also the kraven story was cool Double edit: uggh this taints the whole immortal hulk run. That sucks. Im glad Ewing made such a definitive statement going forward but its hard to believe he had such a little understanding of his history. omnibobb fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Sep 3, 2021 |
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would people involved in the comics I like stop turning out to be awful loving people so I can enjoy things for once
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X-O posted:Timeless is apparently a one shot that has many different artists on it and he's just one of them. I understand anyone not wanting to purchase it for sure. I know I won't be buying any books Joe Bennett is a driving force of in the future. I'll have to see what the breakdown of this book is and how big a part he is. I still want to support people that deserve that support. I know that only a select few get to pick who they do work with. That being said it there's some new Joe Bennett drawn book in the pipeline then that's a failing on Marvel's end and I definitely won't be picking it up. If you wanna support people you like, a better way would be to buy their indie books, sub to their patreon or donate to them individually. That way you don't also support a piece of poo poo like Bennet. I'm not saying "don't buy Timeless just because of Bennet", I'm saying that there are more direct ways to support the creators on the book. Edit: It also stings that Ewing chose to wait until his book was done to do his thread, but I understand that doing it sooner would gently caress with his livelihood.
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omnibobb posted:Dude, I really liked the Boomerang stuff but that’s about it :/ This is where I am at mostly. The Boomerang stuff was exactly the kind of fun comics I like, and really digging into Peter Parkers life is one of the big appeals for Spider-Man for me. There is a great scene where Peter is conflicted because Boomerang is a villain/annoying to live with but that fact that he pays his rent on time wins the day. I feel that.
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I’ve been a fan of Bennett’s work for a long time so this really stings. It’s naive of me but sometimes I have a hard time wrapping my mind around how people involved in fun, silly things like superhero comics can have such hateful views. I guess people can get “fascist supermen” out of it or the “fight injustice, embrace difference” aspect, which is what always appealed to me. Any day now we’ll find out that the person who sang the Muppet Babies theme song is an anti-vaxx turbo-racist, or something.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:would people involved in the comics I like stop turning out to be awful loving people so I can enjoy things for once 
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omnibobb posted:Dude, I really liked the Boomerang stuff but that’s about it :/ Same; I liked Boomerang as Peter's roommate (and Spencer is pretty good at writing him), so seeing him die a pointless dead, killed by such an awful villain like Morlun was dissapointing.
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I mean, if Dormammu really is Fred's bud then I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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Gnaremoob sounds like a good name for a demonic entity
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Gologle posted:Wait is Dormammu on Boomerang's team? Gologle posted:I mean, if Dormammu really is Fred's bud then I wouldn't worry too much about it. Dormammu as best as I can tell never appears or is mentioned in Nick Spencer's run on Amazing Spider-Man. He's currently appearing in Guardians of the Galaxy, but it would be an extreme third act twist to bring him into the very end of this run. The man with the flaming pumpkin head in Sinister War was one of the Jack O'Lanterns, though I'm unsure if Spencer ever specified which one; there are like five distinct Jack O'Lanterns in addition to the "franchised" ones that the second Jack hired in Spencer's run, who all turned out to be Chameleons, I guess? Anyway while the various Jacks O'Lantern have at various points been killed/resurrected/demonically possessed/brought back as clones, I don't think any of them have resurrection powers themselves, and also they were on opposing Sinister Sixes from Boomerang's, which was secretly only a Sinister Five consisting of Boomerang, Shocker, Speed Demon, Hydro-Man, and Overdrive.
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Ah drat you're right, I was thinking of one of the Jack's. OK, Fred ded, rip.
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Gologle posted:Ah drat you're right, I was thinking of one of the Jack's. OK, Fred ded, rip. Unless he sells his marriage again for Fred
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Why are there so many Jack O Lanterns?
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bobkatt013 posted:Unless he sells his marriage again for Fred Now we're talkin'
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Gologle posted:Why are there so many Jack O Lanterns? Because it's Halloween season, babey! 
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Gologle posted:Why are there so many Jack O Lanterns? Franchising!!!
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JordanKai posted:Because it's Halloween season, babey! Can Spider-Man survive.. The Pumpkin Patch??
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Snackmar posted:Can Spider-Man survive.. The Pumpkin Patch?? Only if he finds the pumpkin patch that is sincere and lacking in hypocrisy
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Edge & Christian posted:Anyway while the various Jacks O'Lantern have at various points been killed/resurrected/demonically possessed/brought back as clones, I don't think any of them have resurrection powers themselves, and also they were on opposing Sinister Sixes from Boomerang's, which was secretly only a Sinister Five consisting of Boomerang, Shocker, Speed Demon, Hydro-Man, and Overdrive. I love comics because while Speed Demon is fighting Spidey with 30 other villains, he's also zipping around the country trolling Captain America.
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The original Jack O'Lantern (Jason Macendale) was a mercenary with a vaguely Green Goblin-inspired gimmick. He was the last man standing in the late 1980s when there was an absolute clusterfuck of "WHO IS HOBGOBLIN?" and while all of the original picks either got killed or disappeared, they revealed Macendale had found the original Hobgoblin's Battle Van and became the new Hobgoblin, who went on to get demonically infected, then freed of the demon, then turned into a cyborg, then killed, then brought back as a clone. He is (probably) currently Hobgoblin, or at least one of them, but he hasn't explicitly appeared anywhere since the Clone Conspiracy. The second Jack O'Lantern was a second mercenary (eventually named as Steven Levins) who just bought the old Jack costume from somewhere. He didn't do a lot before getting his head exploded by the Punisher in the Civil War mini-series, but then got resurrected by Lucifer and turned into a Daniel Way Ghost Rider villain. He got un-possessed by Lucifer and exploded again in Ghost Rider. Then he got resurrected in the Clone Conspiracy too. A third Jack O'Lantern turned out to be the original Mysterio's cousin and the second Mysterio teaming up to pretend to be Jack O'Lantern because ????. They may or may not have been killed off-panel by a later Jack O'Lantern, but haven't really been seen in twenty years regardless. A fourth(?) Jack O'Lantern was someone provided the Jacktech by Latveria in Bendis/Dell'Otto's Secret War, unless that was the third Jack O'Lantern running the same gimmick and no one brought it up, they only appeared for a couple of issues. A fifth Jack O'Lantern was the brother of the second Jack O'Lantern who found his brother's poo poo and decided to become Jack O'Lantern in a Frank Tieri mini-series. This one had ill-defined Satan powers, which I guess he got from the suit, or he made a deal with Satan off-panel. A sixth Jack O'Lantern who claimed to have killed all of the other ones (pre-Clone-Conspiracy) was a major antagonist in Rick Remender's Venom series. He was like... an evil child raised by the Crime-Master as an assassin who was also a serial killer? And killed people by turning their heads into jack o'lanterns? Eventually he got killed by Deadpool in Black Panther vs. Deadpool but now works for Hell or something in Ed Brisson Ghost Rider? A sixth and a half Jack O'Lantern was an imposter hynotized by the sixth Jack O'Lantern to throw Venom off track, or something. A seventh Jack O'Lantern found one of the first four's old costume and was Doing Things in Donny Cates's Venom. The second Jack O'Lantern is the one currently in Spencer's Spider-Man, and he franchised his identity to other mercenaries, which itself is a nod to the retcon eventually set up for All Them Hobgoblins -- namely that the originally intended (and eventually revealed by Stern decades later Hobgoblin Kingsley had franchised out the identity to criminals). But in a delicious Spencerian twist, all of the Franchised Jack O'Lantern mercenaries were themselves mercenaries hired by The Finisher to pretend to be Jack O'Lanterns but were really Chameleons! Presumably the Jack O'Lantern who isn't named and doesn't get any dialogue in Sinister War is the original, not-demonically-possessed, not-Mysterio*, not-Chameleon, not-Hobgoblin, clone Jack O'Lantern II.
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Man I fuckin' love comic books you guys
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