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I'd love to watch this episode but Paramount+ is telling me to disable all my ad blockers, which I have and let Bitdefender allow CBS but *shrug*. gently caress you Paramount+!
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Saw they've hired an actress to play the Borg Queen is S2 of Picard. https://deadline.com/2021/09/star-t...NFKt7uOV2KK0Kt8 They're going to have too many different plots going on at the same time again aren't they.
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Sep 2, 2021 23:12
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The Bloop posted:old news That's a Caitian, just like T'ana.
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Sep 2, 2021 23:34
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Thom12255 posted:Saw they've hired an actress to play the Borg Queen is S2 of Picard. https://deadline.com/2021/09/star-t...NFKt7uOV2KK0Kt8 too many plots? Don't you mean one dumb plot, told poorly over too many episodes?
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Sep 2, 2021 23:38
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Sep 3, 2021 00:06
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Sep 3, 2021 00:10
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Sep 3, 2021 00:12
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a relentless foe. they just keep coming. look here they come again!
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Sep 3, 2021 00:13
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roomtone posted:how are the borg mixed up in this once again Popular speculation is this season is going to be a Tapestry style Q jump around various parts of Picard's life and examining alternate paths. If that's true it's not unreasonable the Borg would come up.
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Sep 3, 2021 00:16
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Mirror Q enlists Picard's help in stopping the Borg Queen from destroying the multiverse by assimilating the Guardian of Forever. Picard must battle both alternate universe Locutus and a Section 31 cover up....
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Sep 3, 2021 00:24
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A.o.D. posted:That's a Caitian, just like T'ana. Yes I was joking but were there actually kzinti in that episode because that would really be surprising
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Sep 3, 2021 00:33
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Mirror Q enlists Picard's help in stopping the Borg Queen from destroying the multiverse by assimilating the Guardian of Forever. It involves a dune buggy race.
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Sep 3, 2021 00:43
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The Bloop posted:Yes I was joking but were there actually kzinti in that episode because that would really be surprising Yeah, there's a Kzinti in the bar at the beginning. E: 
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Sep 3, 2021 00:45
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Thom12255 posted:Saw they've hired an actress to play the Borg Queen is S2 of Picard. https://deadline.com/2021/09/star-t...NFKt7uOV2KK0Kt8 She was in the Enterprise episode with Rene Auberjonois
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Sep 3, 2021 00:51
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The Bloop posted:Yes I was joking but were there actually kzinti in that episode because that would really be surprising See Grand Fromage's post. If you've read Larry Niven's Known Space books the idea of a Kzin in a star fleet uniform is about as big of a mindfuck as seeing Worf for the first time back in the 80s. Maybe bigger.
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Sep 3, 2021 00:54
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roomtone posted:a relentless foe. they just keep coming.
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Sep 3, 2021 01:26
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Between this and the Kzin being mentioned by name in Picard I assume something's changed about the rights situation.Grand Fromage posted:Popular speculation is this season is going to be a Tapestry style Q jump around various parts of Picard's life and examining alternate paths. If that's true it's not unreasonable the Borg would come up. Have there been any rumours of McFadden? You can't do that kind of story without her. Well, shouldn't, anyway. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Sep 3, 2021 |
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Sep 3, 2021 01:52
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A.o.D. posted:See Grand Fromage's post. If you've read Larry Niven's Known Space books the idea of a Kzin in a star fleet uniform is about as big of a mindfuck as seeing Worf for the first time back in the 80s. Maybe bigger. Might be from the breakaway faction whose females are sapient or whatever  bs Niven was going on about with them
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Sep 3, 2021 02:11
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Thom12255 posted:Saw they've hired an actress to play the Borg Queen is S2 of Picard. https://deadline.com/2021/09/star-t...NFKt7uOV2KK0Kt8 Yea, and just dipping back in the well of poo poo that was well trodden in Star Trek. HD DAD posted:“If we don’t show I bet this is it exactly. Some exec going "If we don't just do the real big stuff people will be confused! We can't do anything new! We just have to give people what they know!". Basically what Fry said  Grand Fromage posted:Yeah, there's a Kzinti in the bar at the beginning. Better not let Larry Niven's estate know about this, they'll sue.
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Sep 3, 2021 02:20
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah, there's a Kzinti in the bar at the beginning. A shame he's not in a pink uniform for old time's sake.
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Sep 3, 2021 02:23
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Okay I laughed at every single time they said Mugato/Gumato/Magoto/Gamutu differently
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Sep 3, 2021 03:24
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HD DAD posted:Okay I laughed at every single time they said Mugato/Gumato/Magoto/Gamutu differently I don't think I've watched that tos episode in a long time, I'm assuming the joke is that it happens in the TOS episode as well?
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Sep 3, 2021 05:40
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Professor Beetus posted:I don't think I've watched that tos episode in a long time, I'm assuming the joke is that it happens in the TOS episode as well? Memory Alpha posted:Originally called a "Neuralese Great Ape" in the first draft script, dated 7 August 1967, the Mugato finally became the "Gumato" in the later drafts script; however, DeForest Kelley could not pronounce the name correctly and it was changed. Both Kelley and William Shatner pronounced the name as "Mugatu" all the way through the episode, and Mugato is still frequently spelled Mugatu in various sources such as The Star Trek Compendium. The Star Trek: Lower Decks episode "Mugato, Gumato" made the fact that the ape is known under several slightly different names canon.
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Sep 3, 2021 05:56
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twistedmentat posted:Better not let Larry Niven's estate know about this, they'll sue. Chabon asked Niven personally for permission to reference them in Picard and got it, I assume there wouldn't be any issue here either
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Sep 3, 2021 06:01
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Delsaber posted:I wonder if ship types like the Cali-class don't even really need dedicated security/tactical chiefs since they're intended as utility workhorses and not ships-of-the-line. If so, Shaxs and Keyshon could rotate. looks like they confirmed that this week since Keyshon is still kicking around and fills in when Shaxs is elsewhere. Although I hope he gets some more speaking lines, wanna here more Children of Tama
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Sep 3, 2021 08:00
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apparently the kzinti will appear again, he's in another shot of one of the trailers
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Sep 3, 2021 08:07
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Mx. posted:apparently the kzinti will appear again, he's in another shot of one of the trailers OOh i recognize that uniform, there's one of those in Star Trek Timelines. I wonder if a member of Lt Birb Person or 3 armed guys species will ever show up. I love how they're mining TAS for content.
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twistedmentat posted:OOh i recognize that uniform, there's one of those in Star Trek Timelines. I wonder if a member of Lt Birb Person or 3 armed guys species will ever show up. I love how they're mining TAS for content. 3 armed guy species was captain of the Farm ship in season one.  Also, in the background, bird dude:  also this dude is from TAS too 
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Sep 3, 2021 08:18
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Grand Fromage posted:Popular speculation is this season is going to be a Tapestry style Q jump around various parts of Picard's life and examining alternate paths. If that's true it's not unreasonable the Borg would come up. Apparently she's in multiple episodes though, so I think that speculation is off the mark to a certain degree (unless the trigger for Q and Picard forgetting they already did Tapestry together is the Borg showing up and killing some people).
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Sep 3, 2021 08:57
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Alchenar posted:Apparently she's in multiple episodes though, so I think that speculation is off the mark to a certain degree (unless the trigger for Q and Picard forgetting they already did Tapestry together is the Borg showing up and killing some people). You also have Seven involved again and she has history with the Queen as well. It could be that Picard isn’t the only one being shown alternate timelines by Q.
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Sep 3, 2021 08:59
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Big Mean Jerk posted:You also have Seven involved again and she has history with the Queen as well. It could be that Picard isn’t the only one being shown alternate timelines by Q. 10 episode season though - it's really not very long if every episode is doing its job as a coherent link in the story. I mean that didn't stop season one from being a hot mess of storylines but that was the main problem there. If she's in just 3 episodes that either makes her the catalyst for the story, the threat along whatever journey Picard takes, or the antagonist revealed at the climax. Or she's just scattered throughout like the Romulan twins were. e: my instinct is that it's also a bad idea storywise to throw too many powerful beings together. The resolution to the first Borg episode ever is literally Q snapping his fingers on demand and removing all the danger. If you sit the Borg Queen and Q next to each other in a story then the Queen instantly loses all menace because she's no longer the most powerful being in the room. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Sep 3, 2021 |
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Sep 3, 2021 09:09
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The whole concept of a Borg Queen sucks, so this isn't making me optimistic for season 2
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Sep 3, 2021 09:20
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Alchenar posted:10 episode season though - it's really not very long if every episode is doing its job as a coherent link in the story. I mean that didn't stop season one from being a hot mess of storylines but that was the main problem there. If she's in just 3 episodes that either makes her the catalyst for the story, the threat along whatever journey Picard takes, or the antagonist revealed at the climax. Or she's just scattered throughout like the Romulan twins were. That kind of presupposes that Q and the Borg Queen are at odds in this scenario, or even in cahoots. For all we know Q could be using the Queen as some kind of unwitting heavy to gently caress with Picard or teach teach him a lesson or as a tool to solve some problem. Like Q and the La Sirena crew get in an argument and Raffi tells him to go swallow a bag of dicks the size of Jupiter and Q's like, "Oh really? gently caress ME? No no noooo, gently caress YOOOOOU!" and snaps his fingers and suddenly everyone's in the heart of the Unicomplex and the Queen comes slinking out of the shadows like "Hello, Locutus..." Again, I don't write this poo poo.
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Sep 3, 2021 09:22
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Sep 3, 2021 09:23
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Alchenar posted:Maybe elnor can stab her with his sword Joke's on you, I'm into that poo poo!
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Alchenar posted:10 episode season though - it's really not very long if every episode is doing its job as a coherent link in the story. I mean that didn't stop season one from being a hot mess of storylines but that was the main problem there. If she's in just 3 episodes that either makes her the catalyst for the story, the threat along whatever journey Picard takes, or the antagonist revealed at the climax. Or she's just scattered throughout like the Romulan twins were. My understanding is that they're 'filming season 2 and 3 together' and it's basically one 20 episode season split in two for release.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Mirror Q enlists Picard's help in stopping the Borg Queen from destroying the multiverse by assimilating the Guardian of Forever. I didn't realize Shatner was co-writing this season
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Kesper North posted:Might be from the breakaway faction whose females are sapient or whatever Kzinti females are naturally sentient and the males weren't hyper aggressive murder monsters. They were a tribal stone age society that got used as mercenaries by a more advanced race. They overthrew their more technologically advanced masters and were suddenly a space faring species that was about 20,000 years behind where they should be culturally. They weren't stupid, so they were able to figure out most of the tech they acquired, but they had primitive ideas of what they should do with it. They engineered the males to be the murder cat equivalent of Greek Gods, and engineered their women to be submissive and semi sentient. The stories make it very clear that it's not the natural order of things, and that the Kzinti turbofucked themselves by doing this. There are a few natural Kzinti in the galaxy showing what they should normally be. Also, the Kzinti spend a lot of effort culling out the males and females that manage to breed true in spite of the genetic manipulation. If you got grossed out by it, you were supposed to be grossed out by it. The Kzinti aren't ever presented as good or superior in the known space stories. Their genetic fuckery is presented as what makes them so easy to beat. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Sep 3, 2021 |
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:The whole concept of a Borg Queen sucks, so this isn't making me optimistic for season 2 Nah I mean, it depends on how you view her If she's the leader of the Borg then sure, and lol at her watching a viewscreen on VOY, but you know, VOY If she's an unplanned emergent property of the collective somehow, it's a lot more interesting, and that's what feels more likely based on what's on screen
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The Bloop posted:If she's an unplanned emergent property of the collective somehow, it's a lot more interesting, and that's what feels more likely based on what's on screen You're right that this is an interesting concept, but this also means it'll never get explored and the more boring answer will be the actual one.
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