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kinda easy to sell very well if every other set in standard sucks by comparison lol
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Sep 3, 2021 18:16
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Maybe its just nostalgia but I still feel like Urza's block was way more broken and traumatic to the game than Eldraine - obviously more cards in Eldraine had to be banned but Urza's block literally featured decks that could win on turn 1 - utterly insane broken stuff that made the game solitaire, not even a two player game. And it was much earlier in the life of the game, so something that could have seriously derailed the game.
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Sep 3, 2021 18:19
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Mike N Eich posted:Maybe its just nostalgia but I still feel like Urza's block was way more broken and traumatic to the game than Eldraine - obviously more cards in Eldraine had to be banned but Urza's block literally featured decks that could win on turn 1 - utterly insane broken stuff that made the game solitaire, not even a two player game. And it was much earlier in the life of the game, so something that could have seriously derailed the game. I feel like it coming that early in the game's history makes it more excusable. They should have known better by the time Eldraine came out, but catastrophically missed over and over. I'm sympathetic to the argument they made that trying to do cool and interesting things means accepting more misses, but both the magnitude and the number of misses was pretty ridiculous. I also think they're using that argument to cover for the bigger contributor to the problem being that they were aiming to add more cards directly into eternal formats. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Sep 3, 2021 |
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Sep 3, 2021 18:22
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Bugsy posted:Woah, etb vs cast is a little different but 2 mana glimpse of nature with flashback seems very strong not even counting the enchantment part. Dont think that half matters for standard, but wow what a card.
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Sep 3, 2021 18:30
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Since it specifies ETB rather than “cast”, that means tokens count as well. Now what’s the best token producing option in standard to turn into a massive card draw?
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Sep 3, 2021 18:35
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The only egregious cards from the past couple years are like what, Oko and Omnath? Field and Uro were definitely too strong but don't strike me as "wow these are incredibly stupid to have been released into the wild"
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Sep 3, 2021 18:35
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Sinteres posted:Personally, I don't really think there's that much left to do with Eldraine. For a set with like a dozen cards depicting dragons in their art, getting only 2 dragons in the set (4 with brawl decks) leaves some room open. The main storyline centering around the courts and having "the wilds" be this largely ancillary setting also leaves a door open. Dragons of Eldraine / Wilds of Eldraine - coming to a store near you in 2026.
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Sep 3, 2021 18:37
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Eej posted:The only egregious cards from the past couple years are like what, Oko and Omnath? Field and Uro were definitely too strong but don't strike me as "wow these are incredibly stupid to have been released into the wild" fires of invention was pretty obviously "okay, who and when are they gonna break this in half" and once upon a time was pretty lol as well
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Mike N Eich posted:Maybe its just nostalgia but I still feel like Urza's block was way more broken and traumatic to the game than Eldraine - obviously more cards in Eldraine had to be banned but Urza's block literally featured decks that could win on turn 1 - utterly insane broken stuff that made the game solitaire, not even a two player game. And it was much earlier in the life of the game, so something that could have seriously derailed the game. 2020 gave us like five Exactly One bullshit decks.
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Sep 3, 2021 18:38
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Froghammer posted:I've actually been cruising U/B Magecraft to what's probably going to be low Diamond by the end of the season and I can assure you that the deck absolutely will not survive rotation. Show of Confidence is cool and all, but it'll whither on the vine without Opt, Defiant Strike, and Of One Mind. Aren't they literally printing a better Opt next set anyways?
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Sep 3, 2021 18:43
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Arivia posted:fires of invention was pretty obviously "okay, who and when are they gonna break this in half" I think coming off of Wilderness Rec, Fires was kinda like "eh". I don't consider Fires to be anywhere as bad as Oko. OUaT is a good one to throw on the pile too actually.
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Sep 3, 2021 18:44
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Arivia posted:no but it does get cards sold and that's what wotc looks at most, let's be honest Sure but sets with weaker cards like kaldheim sell very well too. If eternally rising levels of power were the singular takeaway wotc got then we would have had only eldraine level set power. Strixhaven was incredibly weak, and it was also pretty popular.
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Sep 3, 2021 18:44
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kPGgaig7O8
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Sep 3, 2021 18:45
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I’d put money down that if you transported Urza’s Block Standard to today that even more cards from it would probably get banned than did the first time around. There are just orders of magnitude more games being played now than back then, so a) formats would get even more solved, and b) problem cards stick out that much more.
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Sep 3, 2021 18:48
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Eej posted:The only egregious cards from the past couple years are like what, Oko and Omnath? Field and Uro were definitely too strong but don't strike me as "wow these are incredibly stupid to have been released into the wild" Uro is way too strong. A game ending threat on his own, ramps, heals, draws, did it all. It's not a turn 1 game ending card in that kind of broken way, but it certainly dominated things.
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Sep 3, 2021 18:49
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Agreeing, since it is worth noting the standards for “ban worthy” have dropped significantly over the years
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Sep 3, 2021 18:49
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Urza’s block kicked rear end. So many wacky cards
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Sep 3, 2021 18:56
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the Orb of Zot posted:Agreeing, since it is worth noting the standards for “ban worthy” have dropped significantly over the years
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Sep 3, 2021 18:59
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Eej posted:The only egregious cards from the past couple years are like what, Oko and Omnath? Field and Uro were definitely too strong but don't strike me as "wow these are incredibly stupid to have been released into the wild" Companions were wildly and obviously overpowered
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Sep 3, 2021 19:02
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Well that's immediately going into every goofy GWx tokens EDH deck ever. Excited to deck myself with doubling season and storm herd now.
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Sep 3, 2021 19:04
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Vidmaster posted:Well that's immediately going into every goofy GWx tokens EDH deck ever. Excited to deck myself with doubling season and storm herd now. Imagine scute swarming after casting that and accidentally milling yourself to death
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Sep 3, 2021 19:06
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Imagine scute swarming after casting that and accidentally milling yourself to death  
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Sep 3, 2021 19:10
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Qwertycoatl posted:Companions were wildly and obviously overpowered It's been so long I forgot they errata'd the entire Companion mechanic
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Sep 3, 2021 19:11
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How did companions work originally?
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Sep 3, 2021 19:12
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Shrecknet posted:remember the "miracles bracket" (0-0-1)? I remember during onslaught / mirrodin standard, a player on Tooth + Nail won round 1 but offered a draw. By going 0-0-1 it ensured he wouldn't get any goblins matchups which was the only bad match-up.
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Sep 3, 2021 19:12
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Pablo Nergigante posted:How did companions work originally? You didn't have to use the 3 mana first to make them operational, you could just cast them straight up.
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Sep 3, 2021 19:13
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Pablo Nergigante posted:How did companions work originally? They essentially had their own commander zone that you could cast them from, rather than having to pay three to put them into your hand
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Sep 3, 2021 19:13
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Pablo Nergigante posted:How did companions work originally? If you met the requirements just start with a companion in your hand in addition to your seven cards.
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Sep 3, 2021 19:14
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Sinteres posted:You didn't have to use the 2 mana first to make them operational, you could just cast them straight up. thetoughestbean posted:They essentially had their own commander zone that you could cast them from, rather than having to pay three to put them into your hand Lol. Wizards ftw
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Sep 3, 2021 19:14
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Pablo Nergigante posted:How did companions work originally? You didn't have to pay 3 to draw them, you could just cast them straight up
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Sep 3, 2021 19:14
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Lurrus was completely wrecking eternal formats, it was very dumb.
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Sep 3, 2021 19:15
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sensei's divining top and jitte never got banned cause they had just had to ban a shitton of stuff from mirrodin so it's not like this song and dance is new. I'm just glad they're less reluctant to pull the trigger these days and hopefully Tibalt's gets the hammer soon
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Sinteres posted:Lurrus was completely wrecking eternal formats, it was very dumb. Only card banned in vintage for power level!
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Eej posted:The only egregious cards from the past couple years are like what, Oko and Omnath? Field and Uro were definitely too strong but don't strike me as "wow these are incredibly stupid to have been released into the wild" The only problem with Field was not having Ghost Quarter or Field of Ruin around, card seems perfectly cromulent otherwise.
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Sep 3, 2021 19:16
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Mat Cauthon posted:The only problem with Field was not having Ghost Quarter or Field of Ruin around, card seems perfectly cromulent otherwise. maybe in standard, but in modern it was hilarious in the Uro-Omnath 4c control deck. You could run 29 lands with mostly different names and reliably hit WURG turn 4. It even ran hour of promise to fetch your fields lmao.
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Sep 3, 2021 19:24
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I hate Lurrus especially in one of those Dimir rogue decks. If I get matched with one on arena I almost immediately wanna concede lol
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Sep 3, 2021 19:26
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Yeah, the biggest problem with field was a complete lack of playable ways to interact with it in standard. Although Field of Ruin is about to rotate so if WoTC prints too many good manlands or utility lands, we have a problem!
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Froghammer posted:I've actually been cruising U/B Magecraft to what's probably going to be low Diamond by the end of the season and I can assure you that the deck absolutely will not survive rotation. Show of Confidence is cool and all, but it'll whither on the vine without Opt, Defiant Strike, and Of One Mind. I'm running basically the same deck and lmao we're doomed
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