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Red and Black posted:I do wish he would have said more about imperialism and colonialism though Gonna wanna check out Lenin
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Sep 3, 2021 19:00
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Neither of them subscribe to the Immortal Science, as far as I know, but the Bruenigs' right-to-wrong ratio is the best you're going to find among the pages of the Atlantic or the NYT.
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Sep 3, 2021 19:06
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indigi posted:you’re fabricating an entire reality from a couple of bluecheck tweets, but I suppose if you only exist online it does seem like real life lol 
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Sep 3, 2021 19:10
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indigi posted:you’re fabricating an entire reality from a couple of bluecheck tweets, but I suppose if you only exist online it does seem like real life lol is this what being honest looks like?
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Sep 3, 2021 19:11
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i think that the conflation of old-school psycho anti-vaxxing with more general "idk about this turbo-quickly developed vaccine" skepticism is bad. being leery of the long-term consequences of the covid vaccine is wrong in sum, but it's not a completely crazy attitude to have
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Sep 3, 2021 19:14
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the lib discourse surrounding the vaccine is like the perfect representation of exactly why people hate the democrats and exactly how they're failing to get and hold anyone that makes less than 100k/yr in a major metro but they keep intentionally ignoring all of it so they can Be Mad because they have the exact same libidinal drive to get mad at their posting enemies as the most red faced trump guy
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Sep 3, 2021 19:15
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Falstaff posted:Neither of them subscribe to the Immortal Science, as far as I know, but the Bruenigs' right-to-wrong ratio is the best you're going to find among the pages of the Atlantic or the NYT. you kinda have to be able to read people and put what they're saying in light of what you think they're wrong about instead of trying to find the one person who's 100% right other than you. Pentecoastal Elites posted:the lib discourse surrounding the vaccine is like the perfect representation of exactly why people hate the democrats and exactly how they're failing to get and hold anyone that makes less than 100k/yr in a major metro but they keep intentionally ignoring all of it so they can Be Mad because they have the exact same libidinal drive to get mad at their posting enemies as the most red faced trump guy Yeah it's fun how this covid discourse mostly just makes me hate whoever I listened to last.
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Sep 3, 2021 19:51
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Question for the thread: does the current "labor shortage" in America resemble a spontaneously organized strike?
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Sep 3, 2021 20:25
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not really, strikes have goals and concerted action mcsweenys is a comedy website lol. post the one about the Philadelphia Flyers time machine next e: Falstaff posted:Neither of them subscribe to the Immortal Science, as far as I know, but the Bruenigs' right-to-wrong ratio is the best you're going to find among the pages of the Atlantic or the NYT. I 100% agree with this. sometimes Matt is very funny also indigi has issued a correction as of 20:39 on Sep 3, 2021 |
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Sep 3, 2021 20:36
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gosh what a funny joke
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Sep 3, 2021 20:41
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Question for the thread: does the current "labor shortage" in America resemble a spontaneously organized strike? no
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Sep 3, 2021 21:06
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Seinfeld voice so whats the deal with China's "one child policy"? seems like orthodox Marxism doesn't really regard overpopulation as a thing (c.f. Marx constantly making GBS threads on Malthus), did they have different interpretations or circumstances, was it about something else than simply population control, was it just all made up by the CIA in an acid haze
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Sep 3, 2021 21:20
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Question for the thread: does the current "labor shortage" in America resemble a spontaneously organized strike? a strike would involve demands for better conditions, workers are just not wanting to die for peanuts
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Sep 3, 2021 21:33
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mcsweenys always read like the humor outlet for people with too much anxiety to go to improv nights (also bad)
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Sep 3, 2021 21:51
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Maybe you could think of it as an emergent strike. Workers being called "essential" by the media and politicians but being paid sub-living wages drives them out of the work force. There's been enough talk about raising minimum wage that it might make sense to an individual to just sit out until wages increase across the market. There's no organization, but there is still pressure against the business owners to increase wages and improve conditions. Maybe if more influencers talked up the idea of a national sit-down or walk-out there would be more pressure on the politicians to act.
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Sep 3, 2021 22:42
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Red and Black posted:I finished Capital Vol 1 last night. It was a tough book, and now I'm weighing diving right into Vol 2 or stepping back and reading something else for a while. I think I understand Marx's critique of capitalism pretty well now though and I'm impressed at how easily it can be applied to modern capitalism more than a century later. He really nailed down the soul of global capitalism when it was still in its infancy. I do wish he would have said more about imperialism and colonialism though I would recommend some Lenin, if you'd like to see the analysis applied to imperial projects. "Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism" sounds like exactly what you're looking for
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Sep 3, 2021 23:02
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Lenin is generally just easier to read than Marx, should feel like a nice change of pace after getting through vol 1.
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Sep 3, 2021 23:16
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I have read Lenin’s Imperialism, but I appreciate the recommendation Lenin describes imperialism at a later stage of capitalism. In the last chapters of Vol 1 of Capital though, Marx very briefly mentions colonialism as a method through which Europe achieved the primitive accumulation necessary to advance early capitalism. Thats what I wish he expanded on Red and Black has issued a correction as of 23:31 on Sep 3, 2021 |
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Sep 3, 2021 23:24
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indigi posted:cause commercials on tv radio podcasts social media hosted by beloved celebrities, billboards and posters up everywhere, making it free, platforming researchers and epidemiologists, publicizing efficacy data and hospitalization/death rates of vax vs not, and in many places just straight up bribing people with cash and prizes (provided by both state/local governments and major employers) doesn’t count as an “honest persuasion effort” for some reason. they clearly do not. why would this top-down 'i loving love science' stuff ever convince someone who doesn't trust the american health system?
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Sep 3, 2021 23:41
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that large parts (most, iirc) of the non white population that don't have and won't get the vaccine refuse is because they can't believe it's actually no-strings-attached free should tell you pretty much everything you need to know about how totally loving disconnected democrat "persuasion" is from the material conditions of the most under-served and under-protected people in the country
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Sep 3, 2021 23:57
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I really feel like getting back into Reading Some Theory since I basically haven't read anything new in the last 3 years. I went on a spree of reading Marx, Lenin, Losurdo, and others back then but I still only scratched the surface. And since then I've been too depressed and unmotivated to read fiction let alone Marxist theory and history Anyone know if Losurdo's Stalin book can be found online in English? That seems like it would be an easy enough read to get started on again. Or if other entertaining and useful books spring to mind, feel free to suggest
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Sep 4, 2021 00:52
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If you look, yes, you can find Losurdo's Stalin book in English. I was even able to find an ePub version. It's going to be in the realm of  , though.I'm in the last legs of the book, myself. It's quite good, though I'd levy the following criticisms: -Losurdo often exaggerates things for effect, but you wouldn't know he's doing it unless you're familiar with the events he's describing -He also writes the book for people who are broadly familiar with post-revolutionary Russian history. As someone who is not particularly familiar with this, it's occasionally left me looking things up on Wikipedia or just a little lost. Like I said, though, it's quite good. Falstaff has issued a correction as of 01:10 on Sep 4, 2021 |
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Sep 4, 2021 01:07
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John Charity Spring posted:I really feel like getting back into Reading Some Theory since I basically haven't read anything new in the last 3 years. I went on a spree of reading Marx, Lenin, Losurdo, and others back then but I still only scratched the surface. And since then I've been too depressed and unmotivated to read fiction let alone Marxist theory and history I just read it online in English so it very much is available. I just put in the title and maybe pdf and it popped up
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Sep 4, 2021 01:08
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"trust the science" *ignores the fact that fauci and others repeatedly lied about "the science" for political gain
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Sep 4, 2021 02:07
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raspurtin posted:Maybe you could think of it as an emergent strike. Workers being called "essential" by the media and politicians but being paid sub-living wages drives them out of the work force. There's been enough talk about raising minimum wage that it might make sense to an individual to just sit out until wages increase across the market. There's no organization, but there is still pressure against the business owners to increase wages and improve conditions. Maybe if more influencers talked up the idea of a national sit-down or walk-out there would be more pressure on the politicians to act.
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Sep 4, 2021 04:10
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:if there were the will and the organization to undertake an illegal pan-industry strike with the goal of shutting down the economy completely then at that point we might as well dissolve the government, hang all the capitalists and their lackeys in the two major parties, and then - poo poo I dunno what you even do then - have a massive gently caress-and-suck session until we run out of food and die. I think there's something about that in capital vol 3 iirc Yeah but that was one of the bits Engles wrote
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Sep 4, 2021 04:49
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guys im just starting to learn about marxism, can someone help me with what i should use to inscribe a circle of protection while i practise my forms? (full hitler vs stalin magick battle here)
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Sep 4, 2021 05:01
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crepeface posted:guys im just starting to learn about marxism, can someone help me with what i should use to inscribe a circle of protection while i practise my forms? nonononono. the comic got it wrong. it's through sheer revolutionary belief that you accumulate infraplasmatic energy to alter history. you don't need a circle of protection, you need to gather your qi by reaching greater and greater heights of class consciousness
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Sep 4, 2021 05:59
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The Dialectician class gets Protection from False Consciousness at level 5. You could alternatively go Paladin and take Oath of the Revolutionist, although you will have to wait until level 9 since it's only a half-caster.
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Sep 4, 2021 09:06
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this is way too hard, im just gonna level a new lib
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Sep 4, 2021 12:05
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crepeface posted:this is way too hard, im just gonna level a new lib Just ask the DM for a character that already has all the loot and character levels that the rest of the party earned.
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Sep 4, 2021 13:05
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Sep 4, 2021 14:37
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lol and double lol at the date
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Sep 4, 2021 14:52
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Red and Black posted:I do wish he would have said more about imperialism and colonialism though that said, if you want to focus on Marx's writings exclusively, the first thing I'd note is that the section on primitive accumulation continues to be relevant to this day. i'd also point toward some of the secondary literature, to save having to sift around in the corpus. Lucia Pradella's Imperialism and Capitalist Development in Marx’s Capital comes to mind as a good read. a couple of chapters from Anderson's Marx at the Margins, also. oh, and this!
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Sep 4, 2021 17:16
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Red and Black posted:They're what Lenin and the Bolsheviks called the opportunists. Kautsky for example showed his true colors when he (and the rest of his socialist party) came out in favor of WWI, supporting Germany. He was also a bitter critic of the Soviet Union these guys lost the argument decades ago. its funny they're being brought up now of all times by shithead dsa / jacobin types that decided evoking trotsky for anti-solidarity with existing socialism wasn't going far enough they had to go bat for the historical legacy of the morons that were thrown into the garbage bin of history with how wrong they were about WW1. and then gleefully participated in the destruction of the workers movement in germany.
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Sep 4, 2021 17:31
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indigi posted:idk who any of those German dudes are, why are they bad Bernstein was a socialist of the reform type who argued in the 1890s that marxism was a dead ideology and that capitalism will ultimately liberate the working class. His ideas were so awful he was essentially driven out of the movement when Rosa Luxembourg tore him a new rear end in a top hat in her amazing book Reform or Revolution. https://www.marxist.com/classics-reform-or-revolution.htm
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Sep 4, 2021 17:50
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He also made those bear books
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Sep 4, 2021 18:09
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The Archaic posted:Bernstein was a socialist of the reform type who argued in the 1890s that marxism was a dead ideology and that capitalism will ultimately liberate the working class. His ideas were so awful he was essentially driven out of the movement when Rosa Luxembourg tore him a new rear end in a top hat in her amazing book Reform or Revolution. Rosa Luxembourg was a reform type too lol
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Sep 4, 2021 21:10
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indigi posted:you’re fabricating an entire reality from a couple of bluecheck tweets, but I suppose if you only exist online it does seem like real life lol
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Sep 4, 2021 21:46
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MLSM posted:Rosa Luxembourg was a reform type too lol lol no she wasn't, and insofar as she was it was as much as Lenin and Trotsky were (prior to World War I throwing the door for revolution wide open and splitting the socialist parties throughout Europe along those lines) Can't believe Lenin was in the russian social democratic labor party, that reformist nationalist scum
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