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OwlFancier posted:If you value "the grind" more than the actual money then 1. you are not good at capitalism and 2. this is just a cope because you aren't making any actual money. I saw a behemoth machine designed to make money out of money, and I laid down to get crushed by it. Almost on top, fellas!
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OwlFancier posted:If you value "the grind" more than the actual money then 1. you are not good at capitalism and 2. this is just a cope because you aren't making any actual money. Actually this is sigma af
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ultrafilter posted:Far Side was always hit or miss, but when it hit, it hit. cow_tools.jpg
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OwlFancier posted:If you value "the grind" more than the actual money then 1. you are not good at capitalism and 2. this is just a cope because you aren't making any actual money.  i recall reading somewhere that most real-life CEOs usually do no more than 25-30 hours of actual work per week. which makes sense, and kinda makes me think that the entire "grind culture" is essentially an elaborate collective self-delusion at best and a huge cult-like decentralised pyramid scheme at worst
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nurmie posted:
Generally I’ve found that the amount of work I have to do and the amount of money I make are inversely proportional. Seeing people go nuts for “the grind” is just sad because a lot of them are just killing themselves with OT for another 2-3 hundred bucks a week. EMS people are really bad about that, doing the “40 hours a week? I remember my first part time job!” type talk and making like 13-14 bucks an hour.
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So the mother of an old friend of mine from high school was deep into MLMs. There was one with energy drinks that I don't remember the name of, and then that company folded, and then she was into Monavie for a while, and she sucked my friend into that one. (Monavie was great with vodka, but it did not cure cancer as their pamphlets implied.) Anyway because of this I got sucked into sitting through a MLM sales pitch with her TWICE, once for each MLM, and I'm still salty about the second time because I was invited over for Easter dinner because my family was all out of town that year and then it turned out to be a trap, but I was way too passive at that point in my life to object, because AFAB people are socialized to be passive and I was always kind of shy. The pitches were identical and nobody would acknowledge that. I remember a key part of the pitch was this four square diagram meant to illustrate the four types of earning: one that I can't remember, working to earn someone else money and getting a pittance, working to earn money for yourself, and having other people work to earn your money. The last was held up as the ideal to aspire to. Working for someone else was shameful. You know you've made it when you earn money without doing anything. Everyone should aim for this one, selling this overpriced juice would get you there, blah blah blah. I was, I dunno. Twenty? So I couldn't put it into words why it bothered me, but I did have a sense that it was aiming to exploit people. That the ideal under this mindset was to be able to exploit other people into earning money for you, and that this was admirable. God, my parents were socialists who voted NDP and explained about why we never cross picket lines. It was impossible for everyone to be the last category, and someone had to be slaving away for other people, and it made no sense to me to be both sneering at people who worked for someone else while aiming to be someone who employed other people. You couldn't have that top of the pyramid without someone at the bottom. I'm not sure it's self-delusion. I think it's just not often spoken aloud.
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If you're stuck in that income bracket, putting 10-15 hours of overtime in makes a huge difference in what you can put away after basic cost-of-living expenses like food and rent and car insurance. You are still being exploited and it's not something to be proud of, but an extra $200 in a week is a big loving deal when your baseline is like $600. If I was already making like 8 digits I'd probably still keep doing whatever my job was instead if farming it out to consultants because I slump into ennui without something going on, but gently caress no I wouldn't be missing weekends with the family over it.
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Voyager I posted:If you're stuck in that income bracket, putting 10-15 hours of overtime in makes a huge difference in what you can put away after basic cost-of-living expenses like food and rent and car insurance. You are still being exploited and it's not something to be proud of, but an extra $200 in a week is a big loving deal when your baseline is like $600. Oh, I’ve been there and I understand how big a difference some overtime can make there, but it’s the weird superiority complex/treating 100 hour work weeks as somehow aspirational that drives me nuts.
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wait why is vaccines part of the medical industrial complex but horse medicine vended by pharmacists is not part of the medical industrial complex
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From my encounters with those types, it feels like a coping strategy to make it feel like they're strong people earning success where others cannot persevere rather than exploited victims of an unjust economic system. They are trying to turn their suffering into a strength, which gets gross when they start getting toxic about it and suggesting that anyone who doesn't want to work crazy hours doesn't deserve to be comfortable.
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Voyager I posted:From my encounters with those types, it feels like a coping strategy to make it feel like they're strong people earning success where others cannot persevere rather than exploited victims of an unjust economic system. I think it’s also more common in jobs like EMS where people tend to turn their job into their entire identity which is a whole other branch of toxic work culture.
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RoboRodent posted:I'm not sure it's self-delusion. I think it's just not often spoken aloud. oh yeah, the rat race mentality is definitely a huge part of this whole thing. a lot of it boils down to "you're a Loser if you earn other people's money for them, but! if you just grind harder than everyone else, you will Win at Life and will have a bunch of Losers earn your money for you" the element of self-delusion comes in two flavours, i suppose. the first flavour being the conviction that this particular grinder has got what it takes to out-grind everyone else and reach the top of the pyramid; the second flavour being that the entire rat-race premise is incredibly flawed and only succeeds at wearing people down at best and making them engage in competitive ratfuckery at worst in vain attempts to rise above all the other Losers and, of course, there's the part where this whole entire "grind mindset" has got nothing to do with how amassing and generating wealth actually works under capitalism nurmie has a new favorite as of 04:13 on Sep 5, 2021 |
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Mr favourite is the dude (always a dude) in his sixties who works 50+ hour weeks and maybe has a side job on the weekends where he doed landscaping or something, and he definitely doesn't need the money but he just doesn't know how to not work, and you just know that he's going to have to retire one day and he's just going to die immediately because he has zero hobbies or interests, except maybe beer. Just incapable of doing anything that isn't The Hustle. I've known a few of those. Some of them are really nice guys and it's extra tragic. Some are miserable, angry bastards.
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RoboRodent posted:Mr favourite is the dude (always a dude) in his sixties who works 50+ hour weeks and maybe has a side job on the weekends where he doed landscaping or something, and he definitely doesn't need the money but he just doesn't know how to not work, and you just know that he's going to have to retire one day and he's just going to die immediately because he has zero hobbies or interests, except maybe beer. Just incapable of doing anything that isn't The Hustle. How do you know my dad so well?  At least he has cut back on drinking.
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Mx. posted:wait why is vaccines part of the medical industrial complex but horse medicine vended by pharmacists is not part of the medical industrial complex Don't think about it too hard.
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Zil posted:I take he does not know about interest? Not even interest, just basic math. It would take 1,666 years to make a million dollars at $50 a month.
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Fister Roboto posted:Not even interest, just basic math. It would take 1,666 years to make a million dollars at $50 a month. So what you're saying is, I'm getting paid out for LIFE, no matter how long I live
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Mx. posted:wait why is vaccines part of the medical industrial complex but horse medicine vended by pharmacists is not part of the medical industrial complex According to a "vaccine transparency advocate" acquaintance of mine on Facebook whose friend requests I never entertained (but regularly posts in a group I'm in) , it's because vaccines are patented by pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson, and therefore they control the market, which is bad and not transparent. The horse paste however is in public domain and made by various different pharma companies, which makes it cheaper and less scarce, and therefore good, despite being also manufactured by the same medical industry complex. Anyway you should inject it up your eyeballs.
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I think this rocketed past hot and is quickly approaching "nuclear level"
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loving hell low key sex master posted:I think this rocketed past hot and is quickly approaching "nuclear level" Certainly firebombing level
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I had a friend who angrily defended the Dresden bombings and also claimed Slaughterhouse-Five was strictly sci-fi. We cut him loose in 2015 when he jumped on the MAGA train. I have to believe those two facts were related.
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grittyreboot posted:I had a friend who angrily defended the Dresden bombings and also claimed Slaughterhouse-Five was strictly sci-fi. We cut him loose in 2015 when he jumped on the MAGA train. I have to believe those two facts were related. Huh, I would've expected him to be sad about all the Nazis who died in Dresden.
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grittyreboot posted:I had a friend who angrily defended the Dresden bombings and also claimed Slaughterhouse-Five was strictly sci-fi. We cut him loose in 2015 when he jumped on the MAGA train. I have to believe those two facts were related. That one is tricky, because the death numbers for Dresden in Slaughterhouse Five were inaccurate and came from someone who went full-on Holocaust denier. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving
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Zil posted:I take he does not know about interest? He plans on living for sixteen centuries. He’s obviously a vampire, and I think they know a thing or two about tabulating interest.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:That one is tricky, because the death numbers for Dresden in Slaughterhouse Five were inaccurate and came from someone who went full-on Holocaust denier. Even so, the Dresden bombings were carried out well after the European war had essentially been decided. Even Churchill himself questioned the necessity, and Churchill was the guy who was removed from office because he still wanted to fight Germany even after they surrendered.
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"Hello my baby, hello my honey, hello my ragtime gal!"
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BioEnchanted posted:"Hello my baby, hello my honey, hello my ragtime gal!" Glad I’m not the only one
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grittyreboot posted:Even so, the Dresden bombings were carried out well after the European war had essentially been decided. Even Churchill himself questioned the necessity, and Churchill was the guy who was removed from office because he still wanted to fight Germany even after they surrendered. One of the Air Marshalls involved was called Douglas Evill, so impossible to say if it was good or bad. Dresden was the same as Hiroshima really, not designed to win the war but to speed up the end of it. If it did that or not is very debatable but the war dragging on till November was a big factor in it happening. But either way Churchill was very pro flattening Dresden, Lipzieg and Berlin.
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Ambitious Spider posted:Glad I’m not the only one I actually thought 
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BioEnchanted posted:"Hello my baby, hello my honey, hello my ragtime gal!" Exactly what I started singing when I looked at it.
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nurmie posted:
There was an infographic showing a CEO working 50 hours a week, but like 30 hours of that was "networking" by taking super long lunches or playing golf.
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I cannot for the life of me understand rich people's fascination with golf.
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OwlFancier posted:I cannot for the life of me understand rich people's fascination with golf. It is a game that requires absolutely no athletic skill whatsoever, encourages a manservant to attend to your needs, and is so stupendously wasteful and expensive absolutely no-one but your other digustingly rich friends can afford to play it much less even be in the same area as you on the course. You may not be surprised to learn Golf is a rapidly dying sport.
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