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Besides being a super hosed up battalion in Vietnam who perpetrated all sorts of war crimes, I assume a Tiger-Force is a name for mans primal fear of predators. Ewing had some fun with the White Tiger being the embodiment of this.
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Aug 19, 2021 05:35
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DARKSEID IS. (the Tiger-Force)
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Aug 19, 2021 14:04
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Darkseid has a lucrative side-job on New Genesis selling TIGER-FORCE MAXXX pills
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How Wonderful! posted:Great question. I've always wondered if he was riffing on Blake, which feels likely on a gut level to me, but I'd feel irresponsible just flat out saying "it's a Blake riff." Smarter people than me have pointed out tethers between Kirby and Blake *as visual artists* and they were certainly drinking from similar cosmological wells in some ways but again I hesitate to say "ok that's simply what it is." But yeah-- that's my personal reading of "tiger-force," which is such an unusual and evocative phrase (and I imagine not a reference to the disgraced army unit of the same name, but who knows); that it's him referring to the scary pulse at the heart of Blake's poem "The Tyger"-- the terrifying and inscrutable but beautiful force of destruction and hunger that, Blake wonders, was somehow created by the same god that made the tender lamb. I've always read it as some cosmological stalking, devouring, inevitable power. The counter-point to the nurturing, creating forces of the universe. Entropy personified in its all-consuming nature. Kirby had a lot of problems as a scripter, but every once and a while he hit a lyrical home run.
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I think the reading of "tiger-force" as uncontrollable, predatory energy which cannot be destroyed or tamed but only avoided or adapted to is on point. In addition to Blake, the (truly dreadful but historically significant) fascist philosopher and mystic Julius Evola metaphorised the modernising force of liberalism as a tiger which fascists had to "ride" because it was impossible to avert it. This became the guiding principle of a lot of neo-fascist movements, being as it was essentially an instruction that to propagate fascism you would have to adopt the customs and practises of liberalism on a temporary or partial basis, since liberalism had too much cultural and economic momentum to be immediately or violently destroyed. He wrote a book about this named Ride the Tiger/Cavalcare la tigre, and it was popular enough cod philosophy that you'll still hear financial analysts talking about "riding the tiger" when they're attempting to reap a profit from a volatile market, and a few musicians from the period after the book's release have songs that reference its philosophy - most notably Ronnie James Dio in Holy Diver, although I doubt Dio's lyrics were intended to be anything other than generically provocative. It's unlikely that Kirby having Darkseid talk about the "tiger-force" was any kind of reference, especially given Kirby's life-long hatred of fascism, but Forever People #3 was 1971 so it was a time period where the idea of "inevitable historical force as tiger" was modish from the popularity of Evola's writing. It's entirely possible the semantics of it were just there without the intended meaning. Then again, it could also just be Blake, or parallel allegorical coinage, or something else. Evola in turn attributes the parable he based his allegory on to "a Far Eastern myth", but as far as I can tell the actual source isn't clear and that might be apocryphal on his part.
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I guess if I don't want to be accused of being a neo-fascist I should rework my super sentai series Tiger Force into something else.
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Tigers are big and scary and hunt in the night.
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Android Blues posted:I think the reading of "tiger-force" as uncontrollable, predatory energy which cannot be destroyed or tamed but only avoided or adapted to is on point. In addition to Blake, the (truly dreadful but historically significant) fascist philosopher and mystic Julius Evola metaphorised the modernising force of liberalism as a tiger which fascists had to "ride" because it was impossible to avert it. This became the guiding principle of a lot of neo-fascist movements, being as it was essentially an instruction that to propagate fascism you would have to adopt the customs and practises of liberalism on a temporary or partial basis, since liberalism had too much cultural and economic momentum to be immediately or violently destroyed. Evola's book was published in 1961, Kirby's Tiger-Force was 1971, "Holy Diver" was 1983. In between Cannon titled an episode "To Ride a Tiger" in 1973, Jefferson Starship released a song "Ride the Tiger" in 1974, Bernie Taupin released an album called "He Who Rides The Tiger" in 1980, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. I'm guessing none of these were intentional nods to each other.
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I wish I knew of more solid sources on Kirby's reading habits/research practices because something like, say, The Eternals to take a fairly straightforward one obviously owed a lot to Erich von Daniken but I've never been certain whether Kirby was reading von Daniken himself or if it was just in the air enough at the time. Just like, you know, I'd be pretty shocked if I were to learn that Kirby knew absolutely nothing about Blake and never had a close look at Blake as a visual artist, but I have absolutely no idea if he was thinking and consuming Blake poetry or keeping abreast of Evola or what, or was just drawing on the general semiotic resonances surrounding the concept of the tiger, which is indeed a big scary jungle predator which can easily kill probably a lot of stuff. Ditto someone a few weeks back in BSS asked about the visual references or inspirations for the blocky, geometric designs Kirby returned to over and over again for armor and costuming, and it really made me want to be able to pin down a more solid answer just for my own personal curiosity.
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Random Stranger posted:Is Michael Ironside on Cameo? I just had a cash windfall and talking about this has made me wonder if we could get him to read that speech... Unfortunately no, because that sounds like a great idea
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Ugh doesn't one of Darkseid's kids literally command a force of tigers?
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Scaramouche posted:Ugh doesn't one of Darkseid's kids literally command a force of tigers? That was just in Final Crisis. Kalibak generally is just angry and strong and has one of those short, golden clubs. 
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Are there any retailers here? I got a weird question. About how much would it cost to buy every single issue of every released comic for a single month, give or take? How about a single Wednesday?
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ruddiger posted:Are there any retailers here? I got a weird question. About how much would it cost to buy every single issue of every released comic for a single month, give or take? How about a single Wednesday? Look at the new release thread and multiply the number of entries by 3 or 4
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ruddiger posted:Are there any retailers here? I got a weird question. About how much would it cost to buy every single issue of every released comic for a single month, give or take? How about a single Wednesday? I had a guy who routinely dropped $300 a week on singles. His pull was smaller than you'd think.
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Rhyno posted:I had a guy who routinely dropped $300 a week on singles. His pull was smaller than you'd think. This just reminded me that the reason Joker killed Jason Todd was a lawyer in California put the money down to set up a robocall for the 1-900 number DC set up for voting on it.
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Skwirl posted:This just reminded me that the reason Joker killed Jason Todd was a lawyer in California put the money down to set up a robocall for the 1-900 number DC set up for voting on it. Oh, that reminds me that we had a short What If Jason Lived in the What If thread!
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FilthyImp posted:You've got to be kidding. Wasn't the count actually kind of close? Yeah, that's the reason it was close. if a single guy hadn't spent a ton of money Jason would have lived by a huge voting margin.
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And his name was... LightTzitzimine
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How Wonderful! posted:And his name was... LightTzitzimine He was trying to make him a better hero.
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Reading a recent Black Cat series and there's a thieves' guild and: has she ever crossed paths with Gambit?
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It's not a good comic by any stretch of the imagination, but the answer is yes:
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Senior Woodchuck posted:It's not a good comic by any stretch of the imagination, but the answer is yes: Vulpes references it, because he is a goon wise in the ways of continuity!
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Gail Simone is on her usual trolling thing about Superman and magic and it made me remember back when I was a kid in the 90's I knew that Superman was lactose intolerant. I'm not lactose intolerant so it wasn't me projecting or my parents trying to make me feel better about it. Was there anything at all about this? Woulda been close to, but after the Death and Return era. Or was it like a thing in the April issue of Wizard made as an April Fool's joke.
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Luke Skywalker canonically stronger than Superman, purely on the basis of being able to digest the milk of beasts from alien worlds.
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Skwirl posted:Gail Simone is on her usual trolling thing about Superman and magic and it made me remember back when I was a kid in the 90's I knew that Superman was lactose intolerant. I'm not lactose intolerant so it wasn't me projecting or my parents trying to make me feel better about it. Was there anything at all about this? Woulda been close to, but after the Death and Return era. Or was it like a thing in the April issue of Wizard made as an April Fool's joke. You sure you're not thinking of All That? That was a sketch on the show.
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X-O posted:You sure you're not thinking of All That? That was a sketch on the show. Oh gently caress. That's the old Nickelodeon sketch show with an incredibly young Keenan Thompson, I definitely watched that around that era.
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Skwirl posted:Oh gently caress. That's the old Nickelodeon sketch show with an incredibly young Keenan Thompson, I definitely watched that around that era. Yeah, Kenan played Superman. He one weakness was milk.
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X-O posted:Yeah, Kenan played Superman. He one weakness was milk. Mystery solved. I remember it was near, but post Death and Return because I remember playing the SNES game with my cousin and one of the early levels has thugs throwing Molotov cocktails at you and joking with my cousin "oh they must be filled with milk."
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X-O posted:Yeah, Kenan played Superman. He one weakness was milk. His nemesis was a Milkman
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What's the state of Hickman's SHIELD? Did that ever get finished and collected?
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Happy Hippo posted:What's the state of Hickman's SHIELD? Did that ever get finished and collected? I think so, not sure about collected but I think it all came out in singles at least.
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Shang Chi: I only knew the Ten Rings as Mandarin's finger rings that basically each control a single element or power. Did they get used in the movie bracer form in the comics at all, particularly in that flexible boomerang whip way?
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bagrada posted:Shang Chi: I only knew the Ten Rings as Mandarin's finger rings that basically each control a single element or power. Did they get used in the movie bracer form in the comics at all, particularly in that flexible boomerang whip way? No, in the comics they were always finger rings. Here's a neat article about why they changed them https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/why-marvel-made-shang-chi-change-the-ten-rings-no-more-knuckle-jewelry
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Rhyno posted:No, in the comics they were always finger rings. Here's a neat article about why they changed them Great article, thanks! I guess I need to get around to watching Kung Fu Hustle.
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bagrada posted:Great article, thanks! I guess I need to get around to watching Kung Fu Hustle. I think I liked Shaolin Soccer a little more, but it's been years since I've seen either and I enjoyed both immensely.
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