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Gologle posted:Man I fuckin' love comic books you guys Hell, same.
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Edge & Christian posted:
Is this the guy who appeared in Spectacular Spiderman directly after the Clone Saga wrapped up?
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Sep 4, 2021 21:19
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Edge & Christian posted:The original Jack O'Lantern (Jason Macendale) was a mercenary with a vaguely Green Goblin-inspired gimmick. He was the last man standing in the late 1980s when there was an absolute clusterfuck of "WHO IS HOBGOBLIN?" and while all of the original picks either got killed or disappeared, they revealed Macendale had found the original Hobgoblin's Battle Van and became the new Hobgoblin, who went on to get demonically infected, then freed of the demon, then turned into a cyborg, then killed, then brought back as a clone. He is (probably) currently Hobgoblin, or at least one of them, but he hasn't explicitly appeared anywhere since the Clone Conspiracy. Was Macendale a candidate? I thought the two big ones were Ned Leeds and Roderick Kingsley and of course they settled on the obvious choice with all the evidence
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Sep 4, 2021 22:34
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Rhyno posted:Is this the guy who appeared in Spectacular Spiderman directly after the Clone Saga wrapped up? Dawgstar posted:Was Macendale a candidate? I thought the two big ones were Ned Leeds and Roderick Kingsley and of course they settled on the obvious choice with all the evidence Stern wanted it to be Roderick Kingsley but left the book before he finished the plotline. He explained it to DeFalco (it involved him having a barely mentioned brother as an accomplice) and DeFalco didn't like it, so DeFalco's plan was to make Richard Fisk the Hobgoblin, and Roderick Kingsley The Rose. But then a year or so into DeFalco/Frenz's run, Danny Fingeroth was replaced by Jim Owsley as the editor of the Spider-Man books. DeFalco and Owsley did not get along, and as DeFalco continued to drag out the mystery of Hobgoblin, Owsley demanded DeFalco at least tell him who he planned to reveal as the Hobgoblin's secret identity; DeFalco lied and told him Ned Leeds, and more or less out of spite Owsley fired DeFalco, wrote the Spider-Man/Wolverine one-shot where Ned Leeds turns up dead with his throat slit. Allegedly Owsley was going to have Foreigner revealed to be Hobgoblin, but before that happened Owsley got fired and incoming editor Jim Salicrup wrapped the whole thing up with a fill-in issue that revealed yes, Ned Leeds was the Hobgoblin and yes, he got killed in a one-shot. But Macendale/Jack O'Lantern found his gear so he's the One True Hobgoblin now! THE END.
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Sep 5, 2021 00:58
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Edge & Christian posted:But then a year or so into DeFalco/Frenz's run, Danny Fingeroth was replaced by Jim Owsley as the editor of the Spider-Man books. DeFalco and Owsley did not get along, and as DeFalco continued to drag out the mystery of Hobgoblin, Owsley demanded DeFalco at least tell him who he planned to reveal as the Hobgoblin's secret identity; DeFalco lied and told him Ned Leeds, and more or less out of spite Owsley fired DeFalco, wrote the Spider-Man/Wolverine one-shot where Ned Leeds turns up dead with his throat slit. Allegedly Owsley was going to have Foreigner revealed to be Hobgoblin, but before that happened Owsley got fired and incoming editor Jim Salicrup wrapped the whole thing up with a fill-in issue that revealed yes, Ned Leeds was the Hobgoblin and yes, he got killed in a one-shot. But Macendale/Jack O'Lantern found his gear so he's the One True Hobgoblin now! That sent me down a bit of a rabbit hole with the drama behind the scenes. Shooter asking Priest why he fired DeFalco and Priest responding "it was your idea!" with Shooter answering "Well I didn't think you'd actually do it" sure is a vibe. Priest and DeFalco had quite the grudge it seems.
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Sep 5, 2021 01:35
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I genuinely love that there's so much drama and history tied to the Green Goblin but orange.
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Sep 5, 2021 01:39
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TheHan posted:I genuinely love that there's so much drama and history tied to the Green Goblin but orange. It’s fitting as I have always heard there was also drama with the original green goblin.
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Sep 5, 2021 02:05
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Was Kingsley gay or at least written to be? He is a fashion designer created in the 80s and I felt that at least in his first appearance he was gay coded
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radlum posted:Was Kingsley gay or at least written to be? He is a fashion designer created in the 80s and I felt that at least in his first appearance he was gay coded Roger Stern touches on this a bit in an interview in Comics Creators on Spider-Man: Roger Stern posted:"When I first created [Roderick Kingsley], I described him as a cross between Rex Reed, who was this famous newspaper columnist and television personality at the time, and Jim Backus, who played Thurston Howell III on the old GILLIGAN'S ISLAND television show. ... Mike Zeck read my description of Kingsley and drew him in some very effeminate poses. When the book came out, some readers complained because they thought we were making fun of gays in the fashion industry. Kingsley wasn't gay; he was just a little effeminate." So-- no. But he really does come off as the kind of gay man that a straight writer would create in the 80s, doesn't he? There's this one panel of him with his palms flat against either side of his face in shock saying "Oh, ghod" that really really seems to be drawing on 60s-80s era gay tropes, but I'll take Stern at his word that he was just meant to be a little effete. There's some similar ambivalence a decade and change earlier with the Daredevil villain Starr Saxon, who'd later become the out gay villain Machinesmith. In that case Barry Windsor Smith has acknowledged that Saxon was supposed to be drawn in such a way as to suggest that he was gay, but admits but at that very early stage in his career (1969) it doesn't really come off. Which is sort of true-- he gives Saxon this very big, loose body language which I guess is meant to read as flamboyance and extravagance but in practice he mostly just looks kind of stoned and sloppy, like he's seconds away from accidentally knocking all his gadgets to the floor. C'est la guerre I guess. Edit: Here are a few BWS Starr Saxon panels just so people can see for themselves. I chose a handful that I think most clearly convey BWS' intent:    I imagine BWS meant for Saxon's hands to do a lot of his emoting for him-- you can see what he was aiming for if you look at the very elongated, stylized choreography he gives to Saxon's hands throughout this little arc. I'll be honest, I think about Saxon and to a lesser extent Kingsley quite a bit, since I'm very interested in how straight media constructed a universal language of "queer" body language and movement over the course of the 20th century. Part of this stems from criminology textbooks and travel guides from the very late 19th and very early 20th century which are full of physiological tips to "spot" gay men, and very quickly branches out into silent comedies, and then from there American mass media is kind of off to the races in terms of the gay male body. I think it's interesting stuff, but as you can hopefully see above, quite difficult to pin down in a medium with static or quasi-static images like comic books. How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Sep 5, 2021 |
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Sep 5, 2021 14:43
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bobkatt013 posted:It’s fitting as I have always heard there was also drama with the original green goblin. Steve Ditko quit over the Green Goblin's secret identity.
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Skwirl posted:Steve Ditko quit over the Green Goblin's secret identity. Isn’t that an urban legend? Wasn’t it the case that Stan lee and ditko were no even speaking at that point?
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bobkatt013 posted:Isn’t that an urban legend? Wasn’t it the case that Stan lee and ditko were no even speaking at that point? Ditko in a 2009 essay claimed that Norman Osborn as Green Goblin was his idea in an essay, and that he quit because Stan Lee wouldn't even come out and speak to him when he was dropping off some pages. There have been comments and interviews over the years where "creative differences" -- from Lee trying to smooth over the prickly Objectivist edges of Ditko's Spider-Man, to Ditko hating guest stars "ruining the individuality" of the starring heroes, to credit/compensation issues -- that probably all played a significant role. Whether or not the Green Goblin reveal played a role, primary or otherwise, in him quitting, the fact is that Lee, Romita, Brodsky, etc. have at least claimed that it was why Ditko left since he left in the 1960s elevates it past "urban legend" to at least... "dubious company line" or something?
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Can anybody explain what the marks on Prince of Power's cheeks are supposed to be? When I saw them on his original schlubby form, I thought he just had jelly beans stuck to his face, but he still has them as Prince of Power... sometimes. Is that his He-Man cutie mark, or is just some kind of equivalent of that one art trend where everybody had permanent blush on their cheekbones?
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Sep 6, 2021 01:56
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There are pages and spoilers out do the next ASM issue and they're uh, kind of stupid. it's not Harry. it's G W E N
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Sep 6, 2021 09:47
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Rhyno posted:There are pages and spoilers out do the next ASM issue and they're uh, kind of stupid. Oh for gently caress's sake.
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Sep 6, 2021 09:51
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Haha I know right?
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Sep 6, 2021 09:52
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Am I going to regret asking for context to that spoiler?
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Sep 6, 2021 09:53
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Roth posted:Am I going to regret asking for context to that spoiler? Yes.
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Rhyno posted:There are pages and spoilers out do the next ASM issue and they're uh, kind of stupid. Oh gently caress off.
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Sep 6, 2021 17:34
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Wow are you loving kidding me.
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Sep 6, 2021 17:50
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Pretty sure that's a fakeout.
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Sep 6, 2021 18:00
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Those pages aren’t even leaks. They are the official preview pages. So I’d imagine there’s more to it than just that. There are also rumors that there’s a big retcon undoing a terrible story in this issue. Not the story everyone has been thinking it is though. Apparently it might undo Sins Past/Remembered, not One More Day.
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Sep 6, 2021 18:01
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it's actually uncle Ben
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Sep 6, 2021 18:03
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Rhyno posted:There are pages and spoilers out do the next ASM issue and they're uh, kind of stupid. 
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Rhyno posted:There are pages and spoilers out do the next ASM issue and they're uh, kind of stupid. My out there guess: (given the whole thing with the Mephisto deal with Norman trading his firstborn and we know that Norman likewise kidnapped Peter's firstborn) is that Kindred is Baby May Parker! Dun dun DUN! X-O posted:Those pages aren’t even leaks. They are the official preview pages. So I’d imagine there’s more to it than just that. There are also rumors that there’s a big retcon undoing a terrible story in this issue. Not the story everyone has been thinking it is though. Apparently it might undo Sins Past/Remembered, not One More Day. Given we now know that MJ had Mysterio as a therapist at some point between Harry's Death & Sins Past proper, that seems likely. Can anyone else say 'false memories'?
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Sep 6, 2021 21:12
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Yvonmukluk posted:I mean given it's in the preview, it could be a fakeout. Congratulations on coming up with something even loving dumber than Rhyno's spoilers.
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Sep 6, 2021 21:21
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Don't you link me to that poo poo as if I came up with it. I just shared the pain
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Sep 6, 2021 21:31
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i can't believe rhyno is nick spencer and is writing bad spider-man
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Sep 6, 2021 21:34
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"ANYTHING other than Slott writing Spider-Man!" *Monkey paw's finger curls*
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Sep 6, 2021 22:30
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I'm hopeful for the new team taking over in October.
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Sep 6, 2021 22:49
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site posted:i can't believe rhyno is nick spencer and is writing bad spider-man Tired of seeing other destroy spider-man, he decided to it himself
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Sep 6, 2021 22:50
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Rhyno can't possibly be Nick Spencer because no comic book writers survive this subforum as long as he has.
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Sep 6, 2021 23:09
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JordanKai posted:Rhyno can't possibly be Nick Spencer because no comic book writers survive this subforum as long as he has. I am also not a racist rear end in a top hat. I'm just a regular rear end in a top hat.
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Sep 7, 2021 03:51
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site posted:i can't believe rhyno is nick spencer and is writing bad spider-man look Rhyno might be terrible but I cannot believe he would have written SECRET EMPIRE
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Sep 7, 2021 04:08
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Skwirl posted:Congratulations on coming up with something even loving dumber than Rhyno's spoilers. You’re welcome.
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Sep 7, 2021 10:12
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Rhyno posted:There are pages and spoilers out do the next ASM issue and they're uh, kind of stupid. Just cackling right now
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Sep 7, 2021 13:08
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Oops
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Sep 7, 2021 13:09
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I can't open any of the comics that dropped yesterday in Unlimited. Is anyone else having trouble?
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Sep 7, 2021 15:28
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Beerdeer posted:I can't open any of the comics that dropped yesterday in Unlimited. Is anyone else having trouble? Thank god it’s not just me. I can’t get anything new to open, even after reinstalling the app.
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I just checked and Immortal Hulk at least worked for me. This is on Android. They just announced a new X-Men thing dropping exclusively on Unlimited on Thursday by Hickman and Declan Shalvey, so maybe they hosed around with the back end if it's supposed to be a unique format that only works on screens.
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