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Some interesting developments from the Eastern Economic Forum held in Vladivostok over the past few days. Thailand eyes signing free trade zone agreement with EAEU, says Prime Minister Mongolia mulls possibility of signing free trade agreement with EAEU — President
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Sep 6, 2021 18:26
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https://twitter.com/StephenMcDonell/status/1434043860242604035 China Correspondent BBC, after 9 years as ABC Beijing Bureau Chief.
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Sep 6, 2021 18:40
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Palladium posted:Maybe they should stick to stuff they are actually good at like
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Sep 6, 2021 18:41
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Xi is Mao now, I hope he wears the Mao suit full time in contrast with his enemy Joe Biden
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Sep 6, 2021 18:49
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Red and Black posted:https://twitter.com/StephenMcDonell/status/1434043860242604035 ???
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Sep 6, 2021 18:53
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Red and Black posted:https://twitter.com/StephenMcDonell/status/1434043860242604035 Random city states that have nothing much to do with each other, long divided, must unite; long united, must divide. Thus it has ever been
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Sep 6, 2021 19:06
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Red and Black posted:https://twitter.com/StephenMcDonell/status/1434043860242604035 This argument is moronic, of course china has been aggressive, it's been in more defensive and offensive wars than most major western states. That's part of existing as a nation
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Sep 6, 2021 20:19
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the Chinese think in terms of geological eons, so it’s a fair crit.
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Sep 6, 2021 20:27
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Anne_MarieBrady/status/1434713145067462659
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Sep 7, 2021 01:56
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US-China trade growth has Australia asking whether WTO can stop ‘economic coercion’ American business has been a big winner from the current China-Australia trade spat. American coal, frozen beef, and wine exports to China have all been on the rise. I don't see Biden doing anything that would hurt US business interests in favor of Australia's business interests. quote:On how the US could step up to support Australia more directly, the director of the Australia-China Relations Institute, James Laurenceson, put it simpler: “How about simply stop blocking the appointment of new judges
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Sep 7, 2021 02:52
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I mean who can be your real enemy: The guys who couped your former PM and has your government CIA'ed to the gills or the guys who didn't
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Sep 7, 2021 03:43
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OhFunny posted:US-China trade growth has Australia asking whether WTO can stop ‘economic coercion’ Owned.
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Sep 7, 2021 03:58
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stephenthinkpad posted:Owned. yes we are owned by the americans what of it
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Sep 7, 2021 04:00
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the recent trend of economic corncobbing and self-ownage by steadfastly shooting in the foot as one screams "NO BUSINESS WITH THE YELLOW MENACE" is quite something
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Sep 7, 2021 04:46
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dead gay comedy forums posted:the recent trend of economic corncobbing and self-ownage by steadfastly shooting in the foot as one screams "NO BUSINESS WITH THE YELLOW MENACE" is quite something $225 billion to own the fishes by mid-2030s
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Sep 7, 2021 05:02
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dead gay comedy forums posted:the recent trend of economic corncobbing and self-ownage by steadfastly shooting in the foot as one screams "NO BUSINESS WITH THE YELLOW MENACE" is quite something  while i was looking for the meme i also found this from a few months ago: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/22/uts-professor-dianne-jolley-found-guilty-of-sending-herself-threatening-letters posted:For months Dianne Jolley pretended to find alarming notes, including one that read: “Goodbye, cya and good luck,” with her photograph and a red line drawn through her face. absolute brain geniuses in australian tertiary education
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Sep 7, 2021 06:03
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OhFunny posted:US-China trade growth has Australia asking whether WTO can stop ‘economic coercion’ thank you australia for shooting yourselves in the foot to boost the american economy
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Sep 7, 2021 06:21
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crepeface posted:The former University of Technology Sydney professor also claimed some items had been stolen, including underwear that was later sent to her in an envelope, but her fingerprint was later found on the sticky side of a postage stamp of this letter. absolute lmao
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Sep 7, 2021 09:03
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I'm reading a biography of Deng Xiaoping and I'm getting the sense that the Sino-Soviet split had its roots in Khrushchev: it seems like Mao and the Central Committee did not agree with the Secret Speech, the "anti-cult of personality" policy, and the denunciations of Stalin, and this was exacerbated by disagreements on how to handle the crises of the Polish October and the Hungarian uprising. This was later exacerbated by the Soviets adopting a policy of "peaceful coexistence" with the US, along with foreign policy disagreements regarding Taiwan and India. In the previous book I read, on the Sino-Vietnamese war, by that time the rift between China and the USSR was already significant, to the point where China regarded Vietnam as their "Cuba", analogous to the US, but it seems like the seeds for this were sown by as early as 1956. EDIT: okay yeah it really sounds like the charge of "revisionism" derived from Khrushchev denouncing Chinese communes, adopting a line of the possibility of peaceful coexistence, and of a peaceful transition from capitalism to socialism. quote:Khrushchev is a poor Marxist. . . . His world view is empirical, his ideological method is metaphysics, he is a great power chauvinist and a bourgeois liberal. . . . Meeting with Khrushchev on many occasions, I observed that this is a man who doesn’t understand Marxism-Leninism, whose knowledge is superficial, who does not understand the method of class analysis, and is like a correspondent of a news agency: whichever the way the wind blows, he turns in that direction. gradenko_2000 has issued a correction as of 10:16 on Sep 7, 2021 |
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Sep 7, 2021 09:42
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brady sucks so bad. she accused a nz chinese mp, who migrated at age 5, of being a spy for the cpc lol https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/05/labour-candidate-naisi-chen-outraged-to-be-cited-in-anne-marie-brady-s-china-paper.amp.html
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Sep 7, 2021 11:32
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gradenko_2000 posted:I'm reading a biography of Deng Xiaoping and I'm getting the sense that the Sino-Soviet split had its roots in Khrushchev: it seems like Mao and the Central Committee did not agree with the Secret Speech, the "anti-cult of personality" policy, and the denunciations of Stalin, and this was exacerbated by disagreements on how to handle the crises of the Polish October and the Hungarian uprising. This was later exacerbated by the Soviets adopting a policy of "peaceful coexistence" with the US, along with foreign policy disagreements regarding Taiwan and India. After 91, China did their own investigation on the collapse of the Soviet Union. Their general conclusion was the seed was planted in the Khrushchev era. I can see this argument since the Gorbachev generation lost their faith in the Khrushchev era.
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Sep 7, 2021 12:00
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I just finished listening to a 6 hour podcast (7 parts) about China's foreign policy from 1949 to the present while assembling some furniture so obtuse and diabolical that I'm convinced that this is China's revenge strike for the century of humiliation. anyway, they attribute the largest break of sino-soviet relations as because of krushev meeting the Americans and agreeing on peace and nuclear non-proliferation at a meeting that excluded China while the US were aggressive in their region. USSR didn't like that china wasn't accepting their lead and recalled the scientists they had stationed in China for over a decade giving them help. china felt like USSR was behaving like a "great nation" dictating terms rather than promoting socialism and the US exploited these divisions by playing them against each other. but even before Stalin's death, there were differences like Soviets being less globally confrontational than China, who were building up allies in the third world. there were also differences in how China chose to develop its economy compared to the path the USSR took (more focus on peasants etc) part 1 is more focused on setting up the state of affairs with USSR and USA but is still probably worth listening, but part 2 is where they focus on the Sino-Soviet split: https://twitter.com/TheSocProgram/status/1390419032826781697?t=Thi6X7GZ8BGNeep6Wx-2uA&s=19 or you can mainline the whole thing: https://twitter.com/TheSocProgram/status/1421526521060093955?s=19 crepeface has issued a correction as of 12:39 on Sep 7, 2021 |
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Sep 7, 2021 12:27
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crepeface posted:
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Sep 7, 2021 12:29
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exmarx posted:brady sucks so bad. she accused a nz chinese mp, who migrated at age 5, of being a spy for the cpc lol Kinda burying the lede here that another ethnically Chinese MP literally admitted to being a former spook/working for Chinese intelligence (edit: for clarity he denied being a spy himself but admitted to training spys in English and communications monitoring or some poo poo) before and then resigned because of it, and that Chen was the president of one of those Chinese student organizations which are on pretty shaky grounds as to their relation to Chinese intelligence seeing as there's been accusations of them monitoring overseas Chinese for dissident political activities lol Yeah evidence is circumstantial and I'm sure plenty of racists love digging into poo poo there but it's not like she was named purely because she's ethnic Chinese. She had leadership roles in organizations which are accused of being auxiliaries for Chinese intelligence. Both said accusations and her purported involvement may be total bullshit, and they're obviously politically motivated, but it's not like it's coming from nowhere and they randomly accused someone just because they're ethnically Chinese. LimburgLimbo has issued a correction as of 12:32 on Sep 7, 2021 |
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Sep 7, 2021 12:30
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LimburgLimbo posted:Both said accusations and her purported involvement may be total bullshit, and they're obviously politically motivated, but it's not like it's coming from nowhere and they randomly accused someone just because they're ethnically Chinese. and that's better than if she was accused just because she's ethnically chinese?
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Sep 7, 2021 13:17
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LimburgLimbo posted:Kinda burying the lede here that another ethnically Chinese MP literally admitted to being a former spook/working for Chinese intelligence (edit: for clarity he denied being a spy himself but admitted to training spys in English and communications monitoring or some poo poo) before and then resigned because of it, and that Chen was the president of one of those Chinese student organizations which are on pretty shaky grounds as to their relation to Chinese intelligence seeing as there's been accusations of them monitoring overseas Chinese for dissident political activities lol I don't see how any of the the things you've listed here mitigate anything.
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Sep 7, 2021 13:53
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hey remember when one of the top russiagaters in the american congress was discovered to have been loving a chinese spy and apparently absolutely no one cared i wonder if his being white might have had anything to do with that
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Sep 7, 2021 13:54
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lmao this is the professor that accused the mp: https://twitter.com/Anne_MarieBrady/status/1425698083107602439 hold on to ur butt fart simpson
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Sep 7, 2021 14:19
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Stringent posted:and that's better than if she was accused just because she's ethnically chinese? Yup. It's not that odd for countries to have a reasonable level of suspicion towards people who take leadership positions in organizations that are likely auxiliaries to foreign nations' intelligence apparatuses. Red and Black posted:I don't see how any of the the things you've listed here mitigate anything. ok Some Guy TT posted:hey remember when one of the top russiagaters in the american congress was discovered to have been loving a chinese spy and apparently absolutely no one cared i wonder if his being white might have had anything to do with that So you agree that Chinese intelligence is actively trying to place agents in foreign governments? lol People definitely cared by the way; publicly the right wing media was all over that poo poo for a good while (with naturally a bunch of racist dogwhistles because of course they would) and I have no doubt he had some real uh, fun, meetings with US intelligence. The GOP called for his removal as well. He cooperated immediately once they FBI talked to him and we probably only publicly know about it because it maybe got leaked by the Trump admin to muddy the waters about his stance on Russia. Like yeah white male politicians get away with all kinds of poo poo because America is crazy racist, so sure? That's never a non-factor in anything in the US, but saying "absolutely nobody cared" is not a correct or meaningful characterization of events.
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Sep 7, 2021 14:30
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Yeah sure, there may be no evidence that this person is a Chinese spy, but have you considered that other Chinese people have been spies? Also have you considered that this person was the head of a Chinese student group? I don't sound so crazy now, do I?
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Sep 7, 2021 14:33
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lol giving a gently caress about meaningful when your argument is that they could be asiatic spies.
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Sep 7, 2021 14:33
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LimburgLimbo posted:So you agree that Chinese intelligence is actively trying to place agents in foreign governments? lol What does russigate have to do with placing Chinese spies in the American government?
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Sep 7, 2021 14:37
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Doesn't every government attempt to do the same thing? Whats the big issue? The US does it far more openly with orgs like USAID. Michael Flynn was an undisclosed Turkish agent for a while too lmao.
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Sep 7, 2021 14:38
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LimburgLimbo posted:It's not that odd for countries to have a reasonable level of suspicion towards people who take leadership positions in organizations that are likely auxiliaries to foreign nations' intelligence apparatuses. this is literally mccarthyism, but if you're down with that go nuts i guess
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Sep 7, 2021 14:39
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LimburgLimbo posted:
why do you consider the swalwell spy story to be suspect because of right wing media but not the new zealand one because from where im sitting the main difference between the two is that the swalwell story involved an actual chinese spy while the new zealand one only has a person of chinese ethnicity Some Guy TT has issued a correction as of 14:42 on Sep 7, 2021 |
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Sep 7, 2021 14:39
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Doesn't every government attempt to do the same thing? Whats the big issue? The US does it far more openly with orgs like USAID. This is exactly my point. Having various assets in various places seems common. If there are American's et al who are politicians outside of the US and have had leadership positions in various orgs that might be fronts for or just have dealings with US intelligence it would not be abnormal for said Americans to have accusations laid upon them. People here are quick to find any possible connection to the CIA (indeed wouldn't be surprised if this Brady person is one of them) but apparently gasp at the thought that Chinese intelligence might have their fingers in some pies. I personally think that Chinese intelligence is probably doing a lot better than the CIA an would not be surprised if they have assets of various kinds in various places. Some Guy TT posted:why do you consider the swalwell spy story to be suspect because of right wing media but not the new zealand one because from where im sitting the main difference between the two is that the swalwell story involved an actual chinese spy while the new zealand one only has a person of chinese ethnicity What do you mean suspect? I think the Swalwell story is almost certainly true (insofar as I'm aware Fang literally disappeared after being discovered? That gives is some credence for sure lol). I think that the Chen accusation is much less likely to be true, and there's only pretty thin circumstantial evidence, but I think it's not impossible that there's Chinese intelligence influence over her, because Chinese intelligence is probably good at their jobs.
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Sep 7, 2021 14:58
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your phrasing implied that we only know about the swalwell story at all because of politically motivated leaks and that it wasnt really news yet youre continuing to double down on the kiwi racism being sensible and realistic
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Sep 7, 2021 15:00
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LimburgLimbo posted:I think that the Chen accusation is much less likely to be true, and there's only pretty thin circumstantial evidence, but I think it's not impossible that there's Chinese intelligence influence over her, because Chinese intelligence is probably good at their jobs. what the hell is this, is there evidence against her or the organizations she's belonged to or not? you can't credit an accusation because "chinese intelligence is probably good at their jobs", lol.
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Sep 7, 2021 15:02
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Some Guy TT posted:your phrasing implied that we only know about the swalwell story at all because of politically motivated leaks and that it wasnt really news yet youre continuing to double down on the kiwi racism being sensible and realistic Swalwell's claim is that it was probably leaked and that at least passes a sniff test considering it happened in 2015 or something then only made news in 2020 when Axios dropped an exclusive with all anonymous sources, so it's possible that's the case. It was definitely "news"? Edit: \/\/ Look into the details of the Swalwell incident; seem like you're not aware of the context? He was never suspected as an agent but a student who appears to have been a spy was probably sleeping with him or trying to LimburgLimbo has issued a correction as of 15:21 on Sep 7, 2021 |
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Sep 7, 2021 15:08
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Wait are u claiming a sitting Democrat Party congress person is a Chinese agent while simultaneously arguing that's it's fake news? Wtf is even your point here?
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Sep 7, 2021 15:15
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