Big Mean Jerk posted:

Can we just ban this loving gimmickposter from the thread already? This is well beyond strike three at this point.

The Bloop posted:

lol that anyone who enjoys things is just a sycophant

nine-gear crow posted:

Woah, did this thread get moved to Cinema Discusso without anyone realizing it? Are we gonna get swarmed by its resident cult of Rich Evans wannabes and English majors now?

Cross-Section posted:

Peachfart posted:

It is okay to both like things and dislike things. It gets weird when you get mad that other people do the opposite of you.

LDS is pretty solid and all other modern trek is poo poo btw

Peachfart posted:

It is okay to both like things and dislike things. It gets weird when you get mad that other people do the opposite of you.

Optimus_Rhyme posted:

I don't mind people not liking a thing, hell I mostly hate watch DIS and come here to read the hot takes. But I also don't need to convince people who really like DIS that they're wrong. We live in the golden era of television im sure there's something else you could watch and enjoy.

GoutPatrol posted:

There is nothing Gene would like more than to watch those gelatos gently caress on a fallen tree while another strokes their horn nearby

Cross-Section posted:

It's fine to not like DIS (or PIC or LDS) but acting like it's a genuine insult to the core essence of Trek will always be some huffing-farts bullshit

The same franchise gave us "These Are The Voyages" and "Code of Honor" and "Threshold"

Nichael posted:

I like the cartoon spaceship show. I also like the live action ones, even the one where that one woman is crying in every scene.

I only watched a few Enterprise episodes prior to the new shows, and Discovery made me go back and watch all of DS9, and I'm watching Voyager now too. In general, this franchise is pretty good!

Nichael posted:

I like the cartoon spaceship show. I also like the live action ones, even the one where that one woman is crying in every scene.

I only watched a few Enterprise episodes prior to the new shows, and Discovery made me go back and watch all of DS9, and I'm watching Voyager now too. In general, this franchise is pretty good!

mllaneza posted:

This. Whoever wrote that got the TNG era at a very fundamental level. It's also not a story that any of the TNG-Era shows would have shown us, so it's a big plus for LDS.

Arglebargle III posted:

This is just ignoring the straight to camera PSA message where he was like "Be brave and honest in your relationships because you don't have as much time as you think you do!" It's not as mean and nasty as you make it out to be.

MikeJF posted:

I'm always reminded when this conversation (constantly) comes up of the bit where they showed Rick trying to do the 'I'm too smart and special for this' at the family therapist and she just calmly wiped the floor with that argument and he had no comeback. I haven't watched it for a few seasons but I always seemed to me very clear on the 'He's a bad person' side.

In any case, though, people love to compare lower decks to R&M but I very much don't see it, occasional dip into shock-gratuitous imagery aside.

Erulisse posted:

Rick is always shown to be the bad person (objectively), yet a lot of people still associate themselves with rick. Much like family guy that gets hated for all the bigotry and idiotic jokes but in fact is exposing the said bigotry and idiocy with characters showing common sense and voice of reason that are being laughed at in the show. But in the case of R&M it is easier for more people to want to associate with rick. "Much misanthrope, many genius", "Smart people are always depressed and nihilist" etc facebook style, if you get my drift.

And coming back on topic, LDS and R&M have nothing in common outside of 'sci-fi cartoon that is not for kids'.

Alchenar posted:

Mariner is just a failchild who has crashed out of every posting she's had until she hit rock bottom on the ship captained by her mother, who shields her from the consequences of her continual fuckups.

The Chairman posted:

My read of her character is that she's terrified of going soft or becoming uncool by rising through the ranks like her parents did, so she self-sabotages and gets transferred off before anybody can start to rely on her, but now that she's pulled that stunt so many times and has been assigned to her mom's ship that tactic doesn't work any more, and now that she's finally been on a posting long enough to make serious friends (and not just people who respect her from afar because they think she can kick their rear end) they're getting concerned about her behavior

I don't know if she's likeable but I definitely find her sympathetic, I've known a fair number of people who deliberately sabotaged themselves so they wouldn't have to face the pressures of responsibility or adulthood

Alchenar posted:

It's unclear why any of the rest of the main trio are actually friends with Mariner, the show just starts them off in that state (well actually the show starts with Mariner being awful and a bully to Boimler and him going along with it).

Facebook Aunt posted:

Meetings at the speed of thought would still be pretty quick. No misunderstandings and rambling arguments, because everyone understands exactly what everyone else is trying to say. All the evidence and reasoning is shared flawlessly.

I suspect involuntary assimilation was their downfall. Once you start hooking up large numbers of people who don't share your values to the hivemind, the values of the hivemind itself will inevitably start to drift. They had a perfectly equatable collective, but then for centuries nearly everyone they plugged in were from hierarchical cultures. Billions of minds going "but what if benign dictators were good though?"

Facebook Aunt posted:

Meetings at the speed of thought would still be pretty quick. No misunderstandings and rambling arguments, because everyone understands exactly what everyone else is trying to say. All the evidence and reasoning is shared flawlessly.

I suspect involuntary assimilation was their downfall. Once you start hooking up large numbers of people who don't share your values to the hivemind, the values of the hivemind itself will inevitably start to drift. They had a perfectly equatable collective, but then for centuries nearly everyone they plugged in were from hierarchical cultures. Billions of minds going "but what if benign dictators were good though?"

Kesper North posted:

The Borg really should have required that everyone complete a course of therapy before being allowed to touch the collective lmao

Neddy Seagoon posted:

Hell, the latest season goes well out of its way to beat the audience over the head in no uncertain terms that Rick is a self-centered, self-destructive, and generally terrible person.

The Bloop posted:

A lot of the criticisms of it hinge, at least in part, on it's being sufficiently Trekky

The Bloop posted:

The other common criticisms are:

Some bizarre thesis about how things can't be funny unless the comedy follows a particular joke algorithm format. I don't even know what to do with this one other than laugh at it, despite it also not being a "Joke"

The Bloop posted:

And

It doesn't "stand on it's own". Well neither does The Inner Light, In the Pale Moonlight, or one could frankly argue DS9 generally, as it's an echo and explicit counterpoint to TNG in a lot of ways.