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Froghammer posted:This is an argument I never see fascists openly acknowledging. Do Hambly and other people in the Fascist Nostalgia YouTuber Bro-sphere actually like things? Or are they just endlessly complaining about things they hate? What, you've never seen one of those weird, long-winded reclamation rants where some 4chan nazi creep tries to claim that MLP or some anime actually is on their side for real and you can tell because they had a background element in one shot once that if you squinted kind of looked like a lighning bolt or sun figure or something? They like the same lowest common denominator internet dork poo poo as anyone else, they just have an elaborate routine of genuflecting and prevarication they gotta do to inoculate themselves from the accusations of their horrible peers (who also like the same poo poo). theironjef fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Sep 6, 2021 |
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:i understand it but i don't sympathize. there's no such thing as apolitical art and mandatory silence by definition favors the status quo. the fact that it also shuts out open reactionaries is a silver lining, but just banning those people would achieve the same end -- it just requires, well, taking a side and effectively saying you don't want their money I don't think Necrotic Gnome makes "apolitical art", is the thing. A lot of the people that work on OSE products are people who are already on red on that list (like Diogo Nogueira). It's a community moderation policy, not a design or publishing policy. Do I agree with it? No. But I do feel very confident that Gavin Norman isn't gonna turn around and be a chud himself.
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theironjef posted:What, you've never seen one of those weird, long-winded reclamation rants where some 4chan nazi creep tries to claim that MLP or some anime actually is on their side for real and you can tell because they had a background element in one shot once that if you squinted kind of looked like a lighning bolt or sun figure or something? ...Jesus god it is, isn't it. I'm realizing that it is as I'm typing this.
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Sep 6, 2021 22:05
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theironjef posted:What, you've never seen one of those weird, long-winded reclamation rants where some 4chan nazi creep tries to claim that MLP or some anime actually is on their side for real and you can tell because they had a background element in one shot once that if you squinted kind of looked like a lighning bolt or sun figure or something? They like the same lowest common denominator internet dork poo poo as anyone else, they just have an elaborate routine of genuflecting and prevarication they gotta do to inoculate themselves from the accusations of their horrible peers (who also like the same poo poo).
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Froghammer posted:This is an argument I never see fascists openly acknowledging. Do Hambly and other people in the Fascist Nostalgia YouTuber Bro-sphere actually like things? Or are they just endlessly complaining about things they hate? he also whines about people talking about the industry being bad, he got dunked on so hard by loving shoe0nhead of all people he deleted this banger:  https://twitter.com/shoe0nhead/status/1430616911943962625
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Xiahou Dun posted:So there isn’t actually a surprise. Did they at least do this in October? “October surprise” is an American political thing about last second political news, referencing how since presidential elections happen in early November, news in October has an outsized weight for voters.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:“October surprise” is an American political thing about last second political news, referencing how since presidential elections happen in early November, news in October has an outsized weight for voters. Yes, the point being that none of that is related. It's a silly name.
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Warthur posted:I can 100% sympathise with a game company saying "we are not interested in hosting discussions not directly related to our products", it's an evil of the age that having such social media communities is semi-necessary to get traction but they're also a nightmare quagmire. My professional experience is that it just hamstrings your ability to react to intolerant and regressive folks infesting your community. To these people it's all about appearances, and it doesn't matter if they are perfectly aware that you're personally against their politics privately. As long as they can pretend you're secretly on your side, or are too afraid to speak up against them, they retain their internal illusion of power. Because, ultimately, that's what it's all about : feeling like they have power over the industry, or industry figures. That's part of why their ethos is so inconsistent, it's not about some set of values, no matter how cruel those values might be. It's not about really having allies, just perceived influence. Only openly rejecting them can really remove that illusion of being part of some silent majority.
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CMON is getting into NFTs https://twitter.com/NoPunIncluded/status/1434892490742681602
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Sep 7, 2021 02:22
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Finally, I can buy a $10k miniature I'll never paint.
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moths posted:Finally, I can buy a $10k miniature I'll never paint. But enough about Forgeworld
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Kai Tave posted:CMON is getting into NFTs *canned sitcom applause*
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Froghammer posted:This is an argument I never see fascists openly acknowledging. Do Hambly and other people in the Fascist Nostalgia YouTuber Bro-sphere actually like things? Or are they just endlessly complaining about things they hate? They only like things that will make it seems like they are owning libs or feminists. It's all part of the grift they align to. TheDiceMustRoll posted:he also whines about people talking about the industry being bad, he got dunked on so hard by loving shoe0nhead of all people he deleted this banger: He tried to make a big scene about leaving WoW when the Blizzard bullshit with the 'Free Hong Kong' streamer happened but he eventually crawled back to the game and sneered at people that pointed it out. He doesn't stand for anything that doesn't get him money easily.
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Who is this shoe0nhead person? They seem to understand some of the problems with today's society but also one of the first tweets I see of them is about bragging about being problematic, so I'm getting some mixed messages here.
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grifter who looks like a girl who was popular on 4chan, currently moving her grifting leftwards
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paradoxGentleman posted:Who is this shoe0nhead person? They seem to understand some of the problems with today's society but also one of the first tweets I see of them is about bragging about being problematic, so I'm getting some mixed messages here. "Hello, I am a girl who browses 4chan just like you!"
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paradoxGentleman posted:Who is this shoe0nhead person? They seem to understand some of the problems with today's society but also one of the first tweets I see of them is about bragging about being problematic, so I'm getting some mixed messages here. A slightly more attractive version of Tim Pool.
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Arivia posted:I think that was Davis Chenault of Troll Lord Games, but I've looked a couple times for that post or any actual record of it to no success. If you find it, I would really like to have a link. I haven't thought about TheRPGSite in a long time. It's nice to see that it hasn't changed: the only thing that unites them is having been kicked out of other places because they cannot have a simple conversation without freaking out.
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Halloween Jack posted:Thanks for correcting that. I don't mean to spread nasty rumours.
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Froghammer posted:This is an argument I never see fascists openly acknowledging. Do Hambly and other people in the Fascist Nostalgia YouTuber Bro-sphere actually like things? Or are they just endlessly complaining about things they hate? 
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dwarf74 posted:Man, remember when nisarg was just a dude screaming into the void on his Xanga (lol) and banned from RPGnet, instead of a dude screaming into the void on TheRPGSite and remaining banned everywhere else? Clearly this was before he found enlightenment as a swamiji.
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paradoxGentleman posted:Who is this shoe0nhead person? They seem to understand some of the problems with today's society but also one of the first tweets I see of them is about bragging about being problematic, so I'm getting some mixed messages here. Honestly if you don't know who Aimee Therese is, more power to you.
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Wait, is Steve Jackson a MAGA?
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EdsTeioh posted:Wait, is Steve Jackson a MAGA? He started up a project with Webb from Frog God, well after it was known Webb was a huge creep. When asked about this he/the company said basically "nah don't care, the money is good." When later asked, a representative of the company gave a pretty weak "we have no current or future plans for further work with Webb."
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I think a Texas libertarian, but the cyberpunk raid would leave anyone anti-government. I think their worst offense currently is work with Bill Webb.
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EdsTeioh posted:Wait, is Steve Jackson a MAGA? SJG aligned themselves with chuds when they defended their relationship with Frog God Games.
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Man. I mean, SJG in their current form just churn out trash, but they were a big part of my gaming youth. I guess it could be worse, but whatevs.
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EdsTeioh posted:Wait, is Steve Jackson a MAGA? No. That's precisely one of the points leveled against him, he signed on to a list of game designers encouraging fans to vote for Biden.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:No. That's precisely one of the points leveled against him, he signed on to a list of game designers encouraging fans to vote for Biden. Yeah, I think I misunderstood "TDS"
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Splicer posted:TIL I'm a fascist Central to fascism is the idea that things used to be better than they are. When you apply that logic to art, then the only art that fascists like are pieces of art that reference other pieces of art that they like. This means games have to be reminiscent of other games and stick to specific genre guidelines; "this is a first person shooter" or "this is a turn-based RPG" or other types of games that are similar to types of games they've played dozens of before. Put a brand new genre or experience in front of these people and they'll lose their minds, because they'll have no context for it. The debate over "walking simulators" has largely been settled, but their existence was a huge industry talking point for a while. A chunk of gamers thought that they straight up weren't games, and that faction only died down once the genre had become established enough that it could become self-referential. You see this attitude a lot in the TRPG-sphere, with people prefering to ignore whatever new ground is being broken in game design space and only sticking to versions of Dungeons and Dragons that are 40 years old. Only things that reference the mindset that those games were trying to establish is worth saving and preserving. Everything else is a perversion of the hobby. If you like new stuff, and the reason you like it is because it's new and not because it's meant to remind you of something you've experienced before, then you're probably not a fascist.
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Froghammer posted:Central to fascism is the idea that things used to be better than they are. Similarly, reframing this into I was unaware that things were as bad breaks certain people, who cannot fathom that they didn't have perfect worldly knowledge as a tween. Ironically, new experiences have more in common with real nostalgia than re-treading the same paths and re-consuming the same media. What made the original experience resonate was that it was new. You won't get the same experience through the same media, because you've already seen it. You'll never meet a Beholder for the first time again. The closest you can get to that perpetual nostalgia is through new experience, which is a big part of why the longest-enduring franchises in media and gaming reinvent themselves completely every five years or so. You can't meet that same Beholder, but you might meet a new Beholder-alike in a variant game, which is a closer experience to what you remember.
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moths posted:Similarly, reframing this into I was unaware that things were as bad breaks certain people, who cannot fathom that they didn't have perfect worldly knowledge as a tween. If you intend to play the first two Eye of the Beholder CRPGs, and you should, do not read the following. In the first game, the end boss is Xanathar, the beholder from the name. Extremely challenging, basically almost impossible to defeat directly - you're instead expected to shove him into an elaborate trap. In the second game, you're in this weird evil religious tower, and then all of a sudden you open a door and you see... A BEHOLDER! The biggest, baddest foe from the last game! Except it's actually a gas spore, which looks like a beholder but just explodes into noxious gas when you hit it once. You do run into beholders later, but they're not as strong as Xanathar, plus you're at a higher level at this point, especially if you transferred your characters over from the last game. Much more satisfying than just having another beholder end boss.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:If you intend to play the first two Eye of the Beholder CRPGs, and you should, do not read the following. Curse of Azure Bonds (a related FR CRPG) has you face the Mulmaster Beholder Corps, a literal trained crack elite squad of beholders as a late-game optional boss. Beholders good.
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Froghammer posted:I mean, let's get in the weeds here. I've never saw it though this angle but it makes perfect sense and it's obvious in hindsight that to certain brand of chuds there's "degenerate ttrpgs" for the same reasons fash considered some art "degenerate art"
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Pacho posted:I've never saw it though this angle but it makes perfect sense and it's obvious in hindsight that to certain brand of chuds there's "degenerate ttrpgs" for the same reasons fash considered some art "degenerate art" Which, yeah. Spend ten minutes on YouTube. It's not subtle. These people know what they're doing when they're complaining about SJWs ruining Star Wars.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:If you intend to play the first two Eye of the Beholder CRPGs, and you should, do not read the following.
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EdsTeioh posted:Yeah, I think I misunderstood "TDS" Mind, by no means would I call Stevie a progressive, he's perfectly willing to work with some problematic parties and SJ Games' "small-l" libertarian lean is no secret, but he's not pro-Trump.
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FMguru posted:He's a libertarian (understandably so, given what the USSS tried to do to him). "Excuse me, we're called SJG games, not SJW games." 
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