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eSporks posted:If your society is fundamentally a market, then any societal solution will involve the market to a degree. If I refuse to make a cake for a gay wedding, is that a market force or a social force? Why would you choose this of all examples as your model for a better society?
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PhilippAchtel posted:Why would you choose this of all examples as your model for a better society?
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Sep 3, 2021 00:26
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Yes, a capitalist society is capable of enforcing the isolation of people. Okay. That's not anarchism, though.
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the answer to how anarchist society will enforce any anti-social behavior has already been answered ITT you simply get a mob of people to beat the poo poo out of them and banish them from the community. bing bong
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Sep 3, 2021 02:59
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The last guy standing will have to beat himself up
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Sep 3, 2021 03:08
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Colonel Cancer posted:The last guy standing will have to beat himself up just drop enough hallucinogens until you kill the tyrant in your mind
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Sep 3, 2021 03:12
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lots of anarcho-capitalist sounding poo poo going around
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Sep 3, 2021 03:24
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there's only the one type of libertarianism yeah
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Sep 3, 2021 03:25
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Cpt_Obvious posted:lots of anarcho-capitalist sounding poo poo going around all roads lead to the gulch
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Sep 3, 2021 04:35
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Epic High Five posted:there's only the one type of libertarianism yeah careful the last time I made this point a poster accused me of trying to burn their village down or something
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gradenko_2000 posted:Yes, a capitalist society is capable of enforcing the isolation of people. Okay. I don't think social pressure alone is adequate to isolate the unvaccinated, but to say all social pressure is a result of capital is just wrong. At the end of the day, I don't think anarchism is capable of solving the danger of unvaccinated people, but that doesn't mean it lacks tools to try.
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eSporks posted:This argument is dumb. An anarchist society cannot enforce anything if an an anarchist society does not exist. What you are saying is that everything that happens under a capitalist society only happens because of capitalism. No, I'm saying that capitalist structures enforcing social isolation may well be what is happening now, and may well be a practically useful tool in terms of what is available now, but isn't something you can rely upon in a future where you supposedly have no private corporations.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I've been trying to follow this dumb argument: It sounds reminds me of the way liberals discuss the topic of propaganda, where they have some idea in their heads of what "propaganda" looks like and carefully tailor the definition in a way that excludes all the media they like and includes the media they dislike.
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Ytlaya posted:It sounds reminds me of the way liberals discuss the topic of propaganda, where they have some idea in their heads of what "propaganda" looks like and carefully tailor the definition in a way that excludes all the media they like and includes the media they dislike. propaganda doesn’t work on me. i would never vote for the republicans!
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Ytlaya posted:It sounds reminds me of the way liberals discuss the topic of propaganda, where they have some idea in their heads of what "propaganda" looks like and carefully tailor the definition in a way that excludes all the media they like and includes the media they dislike. I think this is a result of moralizing everything with bias. Propaganda is inherently biased and therefore "evil".
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I think this is a result of moralizing everything with bias. Propaganda is inherently biased and therefore "evil". and we all know which one is the evil party!
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Sep 3, 2021 20:24
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:and we all know which one is the evil party! the whigs, gently caress those assholes
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Sep 3, 2021 20:26
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Buck Wildman posted:the whigs, gently caress those assholes 
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Sep 3, 2021 20:32
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gaiety is a pestilence my lord, and I am the cure
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The reaction to the vaccine question exposes a rift between more communist inclined leftists and anarchists in my experience. https://twitter.com/profwolff/status/1434335725420306434?s=19 For instance look at the reactions to this tweet. Lots of talk about "personal autonomy," little consideration of the need for collective action. I sympathize with the skepticism of pharmaceutical companies, but not at all with the idea that "my body my choice" during a pandemic is a left or socialist position.
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PhilippAchtel posted:I sympathize with the skepticism of pharmaceutical companies, but the key here is to recognize that, unlike an issue of American foreign policy/imperialism, where the other side of the conversation across from State Department propaganda are the oppressed peoples of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, et al, the other side of "the lying CDC" and greedy Big Pharma are also reactionary charlatans
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Sep 7, 2021 16:56
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is it good to pay taxes if your government will spend it on drones and already has the means to conjure money from thin air?
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PhilippAchtel posted:I sympathize with the skepticism of pharmaceutical companies, but not at all with the idea that "my body my choice" during a pandemic is a left or socialist position. You can't consent to be infected with a pathogen.
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Sep 7, 2021 18:41
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PhilippAchtel posted:The reaction to the vaccine question exposes a rift between more communist inclined leftists and anarchists in my experience. the thing to always keep in mind is that anarchists are first and foremost libertarians, and individual and property rights will always be defended above all when push comes to shove it's not really a rift, it's a fundamental disagreement about power and politics akin to the one between communists and liberals
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Sep 7, 2021 18:49
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Epic High Five posted:the thing to always keep in mind is that anarchists are first and foremost libertarians, and individual and property rights will always be defended above all when push comes to shove There are pages and pages of exactly this in this very thread!
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https://twitter.com/uncle_authority/status/1434681196626292738
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Sep 7, 2021 19:04
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Lol. Also double lol at Stalin's moustache erasure.
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Sep 7, 2021 19:16
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guarantee all those anarchists smelled like absolute poo poo
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Sep 7, 2021 19:20
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i bet lenin smelled like an old person's house. I don't have anything to base it on but i know it to be true
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Sep 7, 2021 19:21
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:guarantee all those anarchists smelled like absolute poo poo Bathing is an unjustified hierarchy
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Sep 7, 2021 19:28
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I feel like there's two notable bearded fellows being left off the "Marxist" side
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Sep 7, 2021 19:33
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Epic High Five posted:I feel like there's two notable bearded fellows being left off the "Marxist" side *Nods* Bernie Sanders and Mayor Pete.
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Sep 7, 2021 19:35
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Bernie would've been too powerful for Obama to crush if he'd had a beard
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Epic High Five posted:I feel like there's two notable bearded fellows being left off the "Marxist" side
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Sep 7, 2021 20:27
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punished jed bartlett
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https://twitter.com/BlackHumor712/status/1251588665849110531
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A barber is a heirarchy
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Sep 8, 2021 03:31
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Maupin was right. Borger King indeed.
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How the gently caress do you leave out the glorious beard that sits on the chin of Marx himself?
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