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Gresh posted:Does anyone honestly expect this to be any good? Matrix 2 was a disappointment, nobody liked Matrix 3 and since then, the Wachowski's have gone on to make some of the worst movies ever... JUPITER ASCENDING anyone? I hope most movies that I have any interest in to be good in some fashion. Some movies I will go in to wanting to be disappointed if I have some sort of negative predisposition—when those movies turn out to be good it's refreshing (most recently Shang-Chi for me). But the fact is I personally cannot judge a film I haven't seen in finality, even if the film were made by my favorite director or a director who has made films I did not enjoy in the past. Writing off a film and saying it will be poo poo before having even seen it is something I believe to be stupid. Just my opinion. quote:I think the best case scenario here is Matrix 2 where there are some cool and memorable things like Monica Bellucci's rack. Nice, dude.
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Parkingtigers posted:I didn't even really like the first Matrix, which was style over content. Interesting. I'd argue the first one is among the best science fiction ever made along the likes of Alien, Bladerunner, 2001, Terminator, and Fury Road.
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Sep 7, 2021 21:41
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kiimo posted:Lin-Manuel Miranda's whiny voice is annoying as hell The rapping history teacher.
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Sep 7, 2021 21:44
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Jupiter Ascending would have been great if everyone was on the same level as Eddie Redmayne. Channing Tatum was horribly miscast in that.
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Really unenthused to see so many reused bits from the original Matrix after clicking through to watch a half-dozen times. The "cops approaching Trinity sitting facing a wall" shot, the "trinity running in the corner of the wall to avoid gunfire" shot, the "morpheus getting hecka pummeled by agent ghostfists" shot, the "shells raining from helicopter" shot, and so onLastdancer posted:Whennnn... theeeee... I know it's not exactly the same thing, but did anyone in here watch The Wandering Earth? That movie was pretty wild
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Sep 7, 2021 22:06
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I legit forgot Keanu was in the matrix movies for a second. I think the first Matrix was a result of it being an idea that gesticulated so long and was a real labor of love. That's why the sequels always are worse. They chase what came naturally before and you (usually) can't catch it again.
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Sep 7, 2021 22:08
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Jewmanji posted:The matrix was also one of the last movies that seemed to represent a quantum leap in CGI that has only been replicated a very small handful of times since (Avatar, Gravity, anything else?). Similar to how the new Star Wars films utterly failed to live up to the technological legacy of their predecessors, I’ll be curious to see if this move can possibly break through the very rote CGI that we’ve become accustomed to. That's the thing, though - almost everything that people remember The Matrix for was done using as many practical tools as possible. Offhand the only thing that wasn't, and that wasn't actually meant to be CGI within the movie like the Desert of the Real, is the liquid mirror. Then they got lazy on the sequels and we ended up with the Burly Brawl, where a CGI Neo fights 100 CGI mannequins. It didn't look amazing then, and it looks awful now.
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The first matrix is also a masterclass of economy and efficient exposition / world-building. 2 and 3 were really bloated. I guess most movies now are just 2.5 hours by default but I’d love it if they could get this one down to 2 hoursJedit posted:That's the thing, though - almost everything that people remember The Matrix for was done using as many practical tools as possible. Offhand the only thing that wasn't, and that wasn't actually meant to be CGI within the movie like the Desert of the Real, is the liquid mirror. Then they got lazy on the sequels and we ended up with the Burly Brawl, where a CGI Neo fights 100 CGI mannequins. It didn't look amazing then, and it looks awful now. Maybe I was being imprecise, I meant special effects generally. Are you not considering bullet time to be partially computer generated?
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MLSM posted:Many same shots from the earlier films…. Saw someone on twitter talking about we might have a Metal Gear Solid 2 situation here and that would be really funny.
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Sep 7, 2021 22:58
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Jewmanji posted:The first matrix is also a masterclass of economy and efficient exposition / world-building. 2 and 3 were really bloated. I guess most movies now are just 2.5 hours by default but I’d love it if they could get this one down to 2 hours calling bullet time “partially computer generated” is doing a huge disservice to the amount of practical work done to create that effect
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Jewmanji posted:Maybe I was being imprecise, I meant special effects generally. Are you not considering bullet time to be partially computer generated? I didn't say that. I said the effects were generated using the maximum possible practical work. In the case of bullet time, that required setting up dozens of variable-speed cameras and coordinating the shots with a computer sequencer. Yes, CGI blending was then used to create the interstitial frames, but there's no point in any of those shots where the people in the scene were just rendered objects. They did everything you see them doing.
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Sep 7, 2021 23:30
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Parkingtigers posted:the first Matrix, which was style over content. Coming out of the theater in 1999 I can personally guarantee that almost nobody felt this way. The Matrix eventually succumbed to cliche but its narrative turn was wild at release. It was a real Empire Strikes Back cultural moment. Jedit posted:It didn't look amazing then, and it looks awful now. The CGI in the Matrix sequels was awesome in 2003, especially when the only other comparison was the static/manic style of the star wars prequels which have aged way way worse.
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Sep 7, 2021 23:30
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No no no it looked terrible in the sequels in the theaters at the time
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Sep 7, 2021 23:37
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The Burly Brawl has always looked like absolute dog poo poo
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Yeah the burly brawl always looked like poo poo
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Looks, you end your movie with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lzqUe1Qfec And you're gonna be worshipped as one of the greatest movies of all time. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTL4qIIxg8A  It was Tony -- it was.
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Sep 7, 2021 23:41
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Jedit posted:I didn't say that. I said the effects were generated using the maximum possible practical work. In the case of bullet time, that required setting up dozens of variable-speed cameras and coordinating the shots with a computer sequencer. Yes, CGI blending was then used to create the interstitial frames, but there's no point in any of those shots where the people in the scene were just rendered objects. They did everything you see them doing. K, "special effects" more generally then.
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Sep 7, 2021 23:45
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I'm personally of the opinion that SFX are less important than story. Having a ten minute CGI fight is boring as poo poo. What made the first Matrix a mind gently caress was the story. I will forgive movies a ton if the story flows, who cares if the lightsaber isn't perfect in Empire or whatever
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Sep 7, 2021 23:53
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Attributing the first Matrix to it's effects is poor revisionist history or outright hating.
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Sep 7, 2021 23:57
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kiimo posted:I'm personally of the opinion that SFX are less important than story. Having a ten minute CGI fight is boring as poo poo. What made the first Matrix a mind gently caress was the story. I mean, I think in the case of the first Matrix these things were extremely complementary. If you go back and watch it, the entire third act is basically one long action sequence. From the lobby scene, to the helicopter rescue, to the subway fight, to the hallway shootout- that's basically the last 2/3rds of the movie and there isn't a whole lot of story, and then the movie ends quite abruptly. I'm not saying this is good or bad, it's just the way the film is structured. They frontloaded the movie with really efficient exposition and storytelling to pave way for a very long special effects sequence.
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Vintersorg posted:Looks, you end your movie with this: It really was kiimo posted:I'm personally of the opinion that SFX are less important than story. Avatar, top grossing movie of all time and history forever, disagrees. And yes I will see Avatar 2, 3, 4, and 5 the day they come out
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Jewmanji posted:I mean, I think in the case of the first Matrix these things were extremely complementary. If you go back and watch it, the entire third act is basically one long action sequence. From the lobby scene, to the helicopter rescue, to the subway fight, to the hallway shootout- that's basically the last 2/3rds of the movie and there isn't a whole lot of story, and then the movie ends quite abruptly. Doesn't this portion of the movie include Agent Smith's speech about how he views humanity and all of Neo embracing being The One, dying, and being resurrected?
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Sep 8, 2021 00:14
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Avatar sucked
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My biggest regret is going into the theater to see Episode I with my friends after wondering briefly what the Matrix was and if it was good as I walked by the cardboard dealie for it in the lobby.
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it took me a long time to admit how bad Phantom Menace was and how good The Matrix was
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Vintersorg posted:Looks, you end your movie with this: that scene where Neo wakes up in the real world surrounded by millions of other people jacked into the matrix in a movie theater in 1999 was incredible, nothing like it before 
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:And yes I will see Avatar 2, 3, 4, and 5 the day they come out I will not kiimo posted:Avatar sucked Yeah
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Sir Kodiak posted:Doesn't this portion of the movie include Agent Smith's speech about how he views humanity and all of Neo embracing being The One, dying, and being resurrected? It's been a while but I'm pretty sure the Agent Smith speech is right before the lobby scene. The elevator explosion at the end sets off the building's sprinkler system, and the room is dry when Smith is talking. Neo's resurrection is pretty quick and it effectively concludes the action: it ends his escape from the agents, and then he jacks out and the crew can finally fire the EMP that disables the machines cutting into the Nebuchadnezzar. That's pretty much the end of the movie IIRC.
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kiimo posted:Avatar sucked whenever Avatar cuts to the natives running and flying around trees it just looks like a really polished pixar film. Things like Bladerunner 2049 and Prometheus are both much better visually looking movies than Avatar.
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Sep 8, 2021 00:34
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kiimo posted:it took me a long time to admit how bad Phantom Menace was and how good The Matrix was One day you will admit that Avatar was pretty ok.
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Sep 8, 2021 00:35
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The only thing that was original in the story of Avatar was that they gently caress their flying horses Every twist and turn of that movie was telegraphed a mile away and stolen from other films. There was zero tension and I could not have been more bored
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It's ok. I know for some people it takes time to see past their denial.
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Sep 8, 2021 00:38
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Sorry, I’m with kiimo, Avatar was like babby’s first screenplay. loving unobtanium!
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teagone posted:It's ok. I know for some people it takes time to see past their denial. as my gf would say don't let me yuck your yum if you liked it that's great. I thought it was a ferngully and dances with wolves ripoff though
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Oh I'm well aware of how many people dislike Avatar and poo poo on it and always like to say no one remembers it, it was just Ferngully/Dances With Wolves in space, etc. I don't care. I love it and am looking forward to the sequels. Cameron's portfolio of films has yet to disappoint me.
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i like when the mecha has a big combat knife and fights the avatars with it
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Vintersorg posted:Looks, you end your movie with this: Yeah I remember going in just knowing absolutely nothing about it aside from the random ads that were "What is the Matrix?". Just had no idea what was going to happen and the energy in the theater was insane. And all this stuff keeps happening and you have no idea why and then the "I know Kung Fu" line hit and the crowd went nuts
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Parkingtigers posted:I didn't even really like the first Matrix, which was style over content.  We need a CinemaD hot takes thread.
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Prometheus' production design is loving astounding. I daresay 80% of that film is practical effects. Watching the long rear end making-of doc on the 4-disc set was a real  for how creative an experienced team can get.
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