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Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Yeah, serfs had access to land and were self sufficient to a point.

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Big Mad Drongo
Nov 10, 2006

Cold on a Cob posted:

this exact thing is why i can't discuss oil pipelines with my mom. she's otherwise not chuddish at all but if she can't imagine a world where her husband gets to work on something not associated with the oil industry

what's that old chestnut about this? like you can't trust someone to change their mind about something their livelihood depends on? well for a lot of people they can't even imagine an alternative where they'd make a livelihood elsewhere

To be fair, if the current regime killed the oil industry or MIC its sole response to the sudden influx of unemployed/unemployable people would be Harris holding a press conference where she says "Time to learn to code :smug:" with zero further support

To be even more fair, any government willing to and capable of killing the oil industry or MIC would be so different from ours that it'd likely have utopian second careers ready for everyone affected

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

mossyfisk posted:

Gig work is almost the exact opposite of serfdom.

Yeah, serfs got all kinds of holidays off.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
Gig work turns the employer / employee relationship into a service. Your employment is just one more product Uber sells.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

skooma512 posted:

"Retired at 38". Delving didn't seem possible since we were in disagreement, to put it mildly.

Also bragged about all of our tax money he got so lol.

If he married into it are you capable of doing the chigurh gas station speech from memory

Doggles
Apr 22, 2007

https://twitter.com/doratki/status/1435621048473456643

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Elizabeth Holms has "fans" wtf? And not just like, weird old guys on twitter who want to gently caress her, but young women who want to be her? I wonder, do they idolize her in some weird amoral-grift yasss kween way, or do they think she was a super genius who's brilliant vision was sabotaged by lies about the tech "being impossible"?

bawfuls has issued a correction as of 19:57 on Sep 8, 2021

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Maybe it's kind of how serial killers have fans :shrug:

bag em and tag em
Nov 4, 2008

bawfuls posted:

Elizabeth Holms has "fans" wtf? And not just like, weird old guys on twitter who want to gently caress her, but young women who want to be her? I wonder, do they idolize her in some weird amoral-grift yasss kween way, or do they think she was a super genius who's brilliant vision was sabotaged by lies about the tech "being impossible"?

I mean, every rich person is grifting and taking in big fraud bucks, and plenty of them have fans. All Elizabeth Holmes did wrong was grift a liiiiitle too blatantly and hurt some other rich people in the process.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

bawfuls posted:

Elizabeth Holms has "fans" wtf? And not just like, weird old guys on twitter who want to gently caress her, but young women who want to be her? I wonder, do they idolize her in some weird amoral-grift yasss kween way, or do they think she was a super genius who's brilliant vision was sabotaged by lies about the tech "being impossible"?

Yes

Vashro
May 12, 2004

Proud owner of Lazy Lion #46
Gigdom is a subset of Findom where I have less job security

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

the only difference between her and elon musk is that elon managed to get into the S&P and as such is now untouchable

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Elon is a tremendous piece of poo poo but the company he stole from engineers does actually produce a product which, at times, works. The cars exist on the road and drive, even if many of them catch fire or try to kill their occupants.

Theranos was vaporware the whole time, based on a goal that by all accounts is physically impossible.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Yeah I mean she was going around giving TED talks about how you should ~follow your dreams~ and how when all the so-called smart experts told her something couldn't be done that just proved her idea was great and she should pursue it harder. I could totally see people buying into that hero persona really hard and then not accepting any of the reality of the situation after that.

bag em and tag em
Nov 4, 2008

Vashro posted:

Gigdom is a subset of Findom where I have less job security

It is time for Findom Gigdom where I pay a stern woman in latex 50% of my earnings to access her furnitr app where rent myself out as a footstool for 86 hours a week.

Large Testicles
Jun 1, 2020

[ASK] ME ABOUT MY LOVE FOR 1'S

bag em and tag em posted:

It is time for Findom Gigdom where I pay a stern woman in latex 50% of my earnings to access her furnitr app where rent myself out as a footstool for 86 hours a week.

uh, how do i sign up for this?

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014
What do you guys think of Freddie de Boer's thinking on the genetic heritability of intelligence?

https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/why-resist-blank-slate-thinking-for

I don't know if it's irrational or not but I can't help but being skeptical about the straight line he draws. From what I understand, intelligence is a kind of emergent quality that isn't easy to link to specific genes.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!

bawfuls posted:

Elizabeth Holms has "fans" wtf? And not just like, weird old guys on twitter who want to gently caress her, but young women who want to be her? I wonder, do they idolize her in some weird amoral-grift yasss kween way, or do they think she was a super genius who's brilliant vision was sabotaged by lies about the tech "being impossible"?

We stan a queen with a deep voice.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

AnimeIsTrash posted:

We stan a queen with a deep voice.

I know that you're joking but I hope this was painful to type.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

ToxicAcne posted:

What do you guys think of Freddie de Boer's thinking on the genetic heritability of intelligence?

https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/why-resist-blank-slate-thinking-for

I don't know if it's irrational or not but I can't help but being skeptical about the straight line he draws. From what I understand, intelligence is a kind of emergent quality that isn't easy to link to specific genes.

We just don't know

It's a bit silly to think it's not at all genetic, as genetics is the way intelligence arose in the first place unless you are a creationist

But it's way too easy to fall into a eugenics trap and accidentally do a fascism so there's really no great good that's going to come from that line of inquiry, most likely

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


ToxicAcne posted:

What do you guys think of Freddie de Boer's thinking on the genetic heritability of intelligence?

https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/why-resist-blank-slate-thinking-for

I don't know if it's irrational or not but I can't help but being skeptical about the straight line he draws. From what I understand, intelligence is a kind of emergent quality that isn't easy to link to specific genes.

freddie is absolutely correct and puts my thoughts on the page in a better way than i can

but you aren't wrong to think he's simplifying a bit. intelligence is not at all easy to link to specific genes and probably doesn't actually exist as a single quantity at all. just because we don't know the exact linkage though doesn't change that there is a genetic factor to talent including talent at key academic skills like math and reading. environmental and social factors play a huge role too of course! but not exclusively. which is, as he says, why the argument must be made from the left that meritocracy is completely nonsensical bullshit

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Jazerus posted:

meritocracy is completely nonsensical bullshit

I certainly agree with this

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Jazerus posted:

freddie is absolutely correct and puts my thoughts on the page in a better way than i can

but you aren't wrong to think he's simplifying a bit. intelligence is not at all easy to link to specific genes and probably doesn't actually exist as a single quantity at all. just because we don't know the exact linkage though doesn't change that there is a genetic factor to talent including talent at key academic skills like math and reading. environmental and social factors play a huge role too of course! but not exclusively. which is, as he says, why the argument must be made from the left that meritocracy is completely nonsensical bullshit

There was someone who actually studied brain stuff who used to post in like, PYF I think? And I remember one thing he said was that we know there's this quantity being measured more or less by "IQ" (even after accounting for the massive asterisk of all the flaws in IQ tests), and it's at least partially heritable, and correlates with other things, but we don't really know what the hell it is. Is it some kinda intelligence? Maybe I guess??? Is it all there is to intelligence? Probably not.

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth

lol

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

ToxicAcne posted:

What do you guys think of Freddie de Boer's thinking on the genetic heritability of intelligence?

https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/why-resist-blank-slate-thinking-for

I don't know if it's irrational or not but I can't help but being skeptical about the straight line he draws. From what I understand, intelligence is a kind of emergent quality that isn't easy to link to specific genes.

there must be a genetic component to it obviolly but gently caress if we’ll know what it is in our lifetime. we can’t even define “intelligence” well enough to figure out how to measure it independent of culture/language/literacy/etc. we’ll probably have better luck discovering genetic markers for very specific traits that get lumped under the intelligence umbrella

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


Shame Boy posted:

There was someone who actually studied brain stuff who used to post in like, PYF I think? And I remember one thing he said was that we know there's this quantity being measured more or less by "IQ" (even after accounting for the massive asterisk of all the flaws in IQ tests), and it's at least partially heritable, and correlates with other things, but we don't really know what the hell it is. Is it some kinda intelligence? Maybe I guess??? Is it all there is to intelligence? Probably not.

yeah that's called the g factor. general intelligence. there's a lot of debate over whether it exists as a monolithic quantity or if it's just a proxy for a very wide array of talents and personality traits. i tend to fall on the latter side, as someone who also studied brain stuff. the problem with a lot of the g factor research done in the last 20 years up until about 2016 is that it was fMRI-driven and fMRI turned out to be a hugely unreliable technique that produces misleading results, whereas the research before that is generally just bad for typical 20th century reasons. i'm not sure that that's adequately clear to the population at large so people still write lots of neurosci/psych articles that draw on research that turned out to be bad.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
isn’t that like a third of all psych articles at this point

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


yes

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
you'll know that nonphysiological psychology has begun as a legitimate field when they squeeze 3 sigfigs of prediction out of something. so far not yet

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

bob dobbs is dead posted:

you'll know that nonphysiological psychology has begun as a legitimate field when they squeeze 3 sigfigs of prediction out of something. so far not yet

it feels like we’re still in the balancing humors phase of psychology

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

The Bloop posted:

I certainly agree with this

I'd hope everyone in CSPAM would agree that intelligence, certainly in the dick waving sense, is pointless when other factors, like how rich and well connected your parents are are vastly more influential to a person's success in life.

Having a safety net to fall back into lets you explore, experiment and take risks in ways someone without such a net never can, no matter how intelligent or hard working they are.

I've said it before that the smartest person in the world is probably working in a field 18 hours a day somewhere in a developing nation, or stuck behind a register living paycheque to paycheque without hope of ever escaping to a better life.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
Ironically the stress of living that kind of struggle reduces ones IQ.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Stephen Jay Gould: “I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.”

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Orange Devil posted:

Ironically the stress of living that kind of struggle reduces ones IQ.

I can't find it right now, but wasn't there a study that showed paying someones rent makes their IQ instantly 5 points higher?

Anime Bernie Bro
Feb 4, 2020

FUCK MY ASSHOLE, LOL

Strom Cuzewon posted:

I can't find it right now, but wasn't there a study that showed paying someones rent makes their IQ instantly 5 points higher?

Unrelatedly, I have a large check I'd like to make out to your landlord

jeebus bob
Nov 4, 2004

Festina lente

Strom Cuzewon posted:

I can't find it right now, but wasn't there a study that showed paying someones rent makes their IQ instantly 5 points higher?

I don't know that study but "stress lowers IQ" seems like a pretty solid takeaway that also points out how volatile the measure is.

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014

Jazerus posted:

freddie is absolutely correct and puts my thoughts on the page in a better way than i can

but you aren't wrong to think he's simplifying a bit. intelligence is not at all easy to link to specific genes and probably doesn't actually exist as a single quantity at all. just because we don't know the exact linkage though doesn't change that there is a genetic factor to talent including talent at key academic skills like math and reading. environmental and social factors play a huge role too of course! but not exclusively. which is, as he says, why the argument must be made from the left that meritocracy is completely nonsensical bullshit

I get the impression that he's simplifying a lot. I don't really see evidence of some gattaca esque future anytime soon. Gene editing is hard and super expensive.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

jeebus bob posted:

I don't know that study but "stress lowers IQ" seems like a pretty solid takeaway that also points out how volatile the measure is.

Stress alters decision making, and IQ is basically a test based on decisions.

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


https://twitter.com/RationalWiki/status/1435137538801418248

quote:

Romundt began to realise that the cruise ship industry was, as he put it, “plagued by over-regulation”. (Along with airlines and nuclear power, according to Harris, it’s in “the top three”.)

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indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
does being really hungry or thirsty have a similar impact

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