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Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

In non-well actually news, the NYT is on the case of crypto banking. I was amused by this bit:

quote:

But to regulators, BlockFi�s offerings are worrying and perplexing � so much so that in California, where BlockFi first sought a lender�s license, officials initially advised it to instead apply for a pawnbroker license. Their reasoning was that customers seeking a loan from BlockFi hand over cryptocurrency holdings as collateral in the same way that a customer might give a pawnshop a watch in exchange for cash.

Ms. Marquez of BlockFi called the sheriff�s office in San Francisco about a pawnbroker license, only to be redirected again. �No, pawnbrokers� licenses are only for physical goods,� she recounted being told. �And because crypto is a virtual asset, this license actually does not apply to you.�

... but then:

quote:

Undeterred, she returned to the state�s banking regulators and persuaded them BlockFi qualified as a lender, albeit of a new variety. The company now has licenses in at least 28 states to offer dollar loans and transacts in cryptocurrency with more than 450,000 clients � many of whom are outside the United States. In the first three months of this year, the value of crypto held in BlockFi interest-bearing accounts more than tripled to $14.7 billion from $4.4 billion, a jump driven in part by the rise in the price of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

As the company has expanded, regulators have become increasingly concerned. New Jersey�s attorney general sent it a �cease and desist� letter in July, saying it sells a financial product that requires a securities license, with all the associated obligations, including mandated disclosures.

�No one gets a free pass simply because they�re operating in the fast-evolving cryptocurrency market,� the acting attorney general, Andrew J. Bruck, said.

BlockFi does not adequately notify customers of risks associated with its use of their cryptocurrency deposits for borrowing pools, including the �creditworthiness of borrowers, the type and nature of transactions,� officials in Texas added in their own complaint, echoing allegations made by state officials in Alabama, Kentucky and Vermont.

Zac Prince, BlockFi�s chief executive, said that the company was complying with the law but that regulators did not fully understand its offerings. �Ultimately, we see this as an opportunity for BlockFi to help define the regulatory environment for our ecosystem,� he wrote in a note to customers.

Le sigh.

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# ? May 17, 2024 03:17

KozmoNaut: Apr 23, 2008; Happiness is a warm
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eXXon posted:

Not at 2.45 Ghz! Also, the article you linked measured RF exposure at 30‑300 GHz, which is not as commonly used for telecommunications.

60GHz is sometimes used for point-to-point, "wireless cable" applications.

# ? Sep 7, 2021 06:35

Volmarias: Dec 31, 2002; EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Arsenic Lupin posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/05/covid-coronavirus-work-home-office-surveillance

There's exactly one kind of person who actually wants this sort of thing, and they are absolutely not the majority.

# ? Sep 7, 2021 07:46

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Bosses really don't want to acknowledge how much Covid proved that the majority of management is a net detriment on business.

# ? Sep 7, 2021 08:05

Weatherman: Jul 30, 2003; WARBLEKLONK

Volmarias posted:

There's exactly one kind of person who actually wants this sort of thing, and they are absolutely not the majority.

Heh, sounds like you find it an invasion of privacy, they 100% get that, and it�s not the solution for folks like you :smug:

# ? Sep 7, 2021 08:54

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Arsenic Lupin posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/05/covid-coronavirus-work-home-office-surveillance

push back against this by having a gross naked roommate always wandering around in the background

# ? Sep 7, 2021 09:08

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

don�t have a gross naked roommate? hellooo new gig app

# ? Sep 7, 2021 09:11

Sagacity: May 2, 2003; Hopefully my epitaph will be funnier than my custom title.

danglr

# ? Sep 7, 2021 10:53

Mooseontheloose: May 13, 2003

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Bosses really don't want to acknowledge how much Covid proved that the majority of management is a net detriment on business.

The Atlantic had a similar thought.

quote:

Lars Tunbj�rk / Agence VU / Redux
July 29, 2021

About the author: Ed Zitron is the writer of the tech and culture newsletter Where�s Your Ed At and the CEO of the technology public relations firm EZPR.

In 2019, Steven Spielberg called for a ban on Oscar eligibility for streaming films, claiming that �movie theaters need to be around forever� and that audiences had to be given �the motion picture theatrical experience� for a movie to be a movie. Spielberg�s fury was about not only the threat that streaming posed to the in-person viewing experience but the ways in which the streaming giant Netflix reported theatrical grosses and budgets, despite these not being the ways in which one evaluates whether a movie is good or not. Netflix held firm, saying that it stood for �everyone, everywhere [enjoying] releases at the same time,� and for �giving filmmakers more ways to share art.� Ultimately, Spielberg balked, and last month his company even signed a deal with Netflix, likely because he now sees the writing on the wall: Modern audiences enjoy watching movies at home.

In key ways, this fight resembles the current remote-work debate in industries such as technology and finance. Since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic, this has often been cast as a battle between the old guard and its assumed necessities and a new guard that has found a better way to get things done. But the narrative is not that tidy. Netflix�s co-founder and CEO, Reed Hastings, one of the great �disruptors� of our age, deemed remote work �a pure negative� last fall. The 60-year-old Hastings is at the forefront of an existential crisis in the world of work, demanding that people return to the office despite not having an office himself. His criticism of remote work is that �not being able to get together in person� is bad.

Every business leader should ask themselves a few questions before demanding that their employees return to the office:

Prior to March 2020, how many days a week were you personally in the office?
How many teams did you directly interface with? What teams did you spend the most time with?
Do you have an office? If you don�t, why not?
What is office culture?
What is your specific office�s culture?
Has your business actually suffered because of remote work?
If so, how? Be specific.
Some of the people loudly calling for a return to the office are not the same people who will actually be returning to the office regularly. The old guard�s members feel heightened anxiety over the white-collar empires they�ve built, including the square footage of real estate they�ve leased and the number of people they�ve hired. Earlier this year, Google�s parent company, Alphabet, rolled out an uneven return-to-office plan for its more than 130,000 employees�the majority of workers must soon come back to the office three days a week, while others are permitted to keep working exclusively from home. One senior executive at the company has even been allowed to work remotely from New Zealand.

Remote work lays bare many brutal inefficiencies and problems that executives don�t want to deal with because they reflect poorly on leaders and those they�ve hired. Remote work empowers those who produce and disempowers those who have succeeded by being excellent diplomats and poor workers, along with those who have succeeded by always finding someone to blame for their failures. It removes the ability to seem productive (by sitting at your desk looking stressed or always being on the phone), and also, crucially, may reveal how many bosses and managers simply don�t contribute to the bottom line.

I have run my own remote company that operates at the intersection of technology, media, and public relations since 2013. I retained an office for a year or so that I got rid of because it was really just a place to meet before going off to have drinks. For seven years before the pandemic, some of my peers showed concern that my business �wouldn�t succeed without an in-person team.�

Some people really do need to show up in person. I live in Las Vegas, a city of more than 600,000 people with more than 200,000 hospitality workers, and thus I�m keenly aware of which tasks require someone to physically be there to complete them. You can�t wash dishes over Zoom. You can�t change bed sheets over Slack. Blue-collar workers are the backbone of the city, as well as the Consumer Electronics Show that the tech elite uses to champion code-based products. Local hospitality workers suffered painfully during the pandemic as tourism in the city dried up, because their jobs depend on thriving physical spaces.

But for the tens of millions of us who spend most of our days sitting at a computer, the pandemic proved that remote work is just work. Every company that didn�t require someone to physically do something in a specific place was forced to become more efficient on cloud-based production tools, and the office started to feel like just another room with internet access. While many executives and managers spent the early months of the pandemic telling their employees that �remote work wouldn�t work for us in the long term,� they are now forced to argue with the tangible proof of their still-standing business, making spurious statements like �We�ll miss the office culture and collaboration.�

Now, with the coronavirus�s Delta variant threatening to delay many companies� return-to-office plans, the value of in-person work faces an even greater test. If you have unvaccinated kids or live with an immunocompromised person, is risking your family�s safety worth experiencing �serendipitous conversation� with your colleagues?

Should you ever go back to the office?

Last fall, 94 percent of employees surveyed in a Mercer study reported that remote work was either business as usual or better than working in the office, likely because it lacks the distractions, annoyances, and soft abuses that come with co-workers and middle managers. Workers are happier because they don�t have to commute and can be evaluated mostly on their actual work rather than on the optics-driven albatross of �office culture,� which is largely based on either the HR handbook or the pieces of the HR handbook your boss chooses to ignore.

The reason working from home is so nightmarish for many managers and executives is that a great deal of modern business has been built on the substrate of in-person work. As a society, we tend to consider management a title rather than a skill, something to promote people to, as well as a way in which you can abstract yourself from the work product. When you remove the physical office space�the place where people are yelled at in private offices or singled out in meetings�it becomes a lot harder to spook people as a type of management. In fact, your position at a company becomes more difficult to justify if all you do is delegate and nag people.

When we are all in the same physical space, we are oftentimes evaluated not on our execution of our role but on our diplomacy�by which I mean our ability to kiss up to the right people rather than actually being a decent person. I have known so many people within my industry (and in others) who have built careers on �playing nice� rather than on producing something. I have seen examples within companies I�ve worked with of people who have clearly stuck around because they�re well liked versus productive, and many, many people have responded to my newsletters on the topic of remote work with similar stories. I've also known truly terrible managers who have built empires, gaining VP and C-level positions, by stealing other people�s work and presenting it as their own, something that, according to research, is the No. 1 way to destroy employee trust.

These petty fiefdoms are far harder to maintain when everyone is remote. Although you may be able to get away with multiple passive-aggressive comments to colleagues in private meetings or calls, it�s much harder to be a jerk over Slack, email, and text when someone can screenshot it and send it to HR (or to a journalist). Similarly, if your entire work product is boxing up other people�s production and sending it to the CEO, that becomes significantly harder to prove as your own in a fully digital environment�the producer in question can simply send it along themselves. Remote work makes who does and doesn�t actually do work way more obvious.

Even if we�re discussing some sort of theoretical, utopian office in which everybody is contributing and everyone gets along, each day during which a business doesn�t fail because of going remote proves that the return-to-office movement is unnecessary. Those in power who claim that remote work is unworkable are delaying an inevitable remote future by using logic that mostly comes down to �I like seeing the people I pay for in one place.� I have yet to read one compelling argument for a company that has gone remote to fully return to the office, mostly because the reasoning is rooted in control and ego.

We have lionized the founders, CEOs, and disruptors who nevertheless have intra-office reputations as abrasive geniuses who treat their workers as eminently replaceable. Because most private companies don�t share revenue, we frequently tie headcount and real estate to success. Removing the physical office forces modern businesses to start justifying themselves through annoying things such as �profit and loss� and �paying customers.�

When you hire someone, you�re (supposedly) hiring them to do a job in exchange for money. But the anti-remote crowd seems to believe that the responsibility of a 9-to-5 employee isn�t simply the work but the appearance, optics, and ceremony of the work. Abusive work cultures grow from this process too. Making people work late is much harder when you can�t trap them in one place with free food, a Ping-Pong table, a kegerator, or laundry services�benefits that you champion instead of monetary compensation. When you are a full-time employee, you might believe that you are owned by a company and should be grateful to its leaders for generously making you show up in their office every day.

Which brings us back to Hollywood.

Forty-six summers ago, it wasn�t enough to see Spielberg�s first masterpiece, Jaws, and be scared; the whole point was to experience it with a bunch of other people in a shared space and feel something intangible. But our world has changed. Two years after trying to keep streaming movies out of the Oscars, Spielberg�s company, Amblin Partners�the studio behind such made-for-the-big-screen blockbusters as Saving Private Ryan, Jurassic Park, and Back to the Future�signed a deal with Netflix that, if nothing else, will mean more people will soon watch more movies at home.

Across multiple genres and decades, Spielberg has known his audience. The 74-year-old cinematic guru had to understand that whatever reservations he�d had about how and where people watched movies didn�t matter as much as making movies that people would see. Perhaps he realized that the world was evolving faster than he was, or that his judgments of streaming were antiquated and, on some level, anti-creative.

And perhaps we�ll see the business world follow suit.

I got laid off during the pandemic and this article really rang true for me.

# ? Sep 7, 2021 11:52

silence_kit: Jul 14, 2011; by the sex ghost

eXXon posted:

Also, the article you linked measured RF exposure at 30‑300 GHz, which is not as commonly used for telecommunications.

No, this is wrong. I suggest reading the article�the article mentions that the bandwidth of the test equipment they used in the measurements was 100 kHz-3 GHz.

silence_kit fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Sep 7, 2021

# ? Sep 7, 2021 12:12

Riven: Apr 22, 2002

I became an engineering manager at a now fully remote org during the pandemic and love that as a manager I can focus on getting my own work done, and just see what my small team gets done and not have to deal with the rest of it other than 1:1s and whatever other meetings my staff ask for. It�s great. And yeah, it would be extremely obvious to me if someone wasn�t getting their work done, and I�ve only seen them in person for one week in June which was a retreat type thing, not a regular working week.

Also my two staff (and most of the rest of the org) are in NY and I�m in Denver so no loving way I�m pushing to �go back to the office� lol. I do want to be around people again but I look forward to going to a coworking space when all this is over.

As someone who kind of prided myself on being a �producer� and someone who knew how to work politics, I�m happy to only have to focus on the former now. That article is spot on.

# ? Sep 7, 2021 14:19

Okan170: Nov 14, 2007; Torpedoes away!

BiggerBoat posted:

I think I seriously need to pick up a Hibachi or a cheap outdoor grill more I think about it.

According to various reviews, you can replace the burners with the original non-sensing burners from Amazon or wherever. GE and the resellers says its not compatible and that they recommend the new units for the "Safety Benefits" but the interface hasn't changed. Might try replacing one of them to make sure first.

# ? Sep 7, 2021 14:34

BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

That's what I did. They work fine but are going to be phased out for newer models.

# ? Sep 7, 2021 14:50

Foxfire_: Nov 8, 2010

silence_kit posted:

No, this is wrong. I suggest reading the article�the article mentions that the bandwidth of the test equipment they used in the measurements was 100 kHz-3 GHz.

Also, measuring at 30GHz+ wouldn't be very interesting because penetration into tissue falls off rapidly with frequency. Skin is functionally opaque to something like 100GHz em

# ? Sep 7, 2021 17:54

Shofixti: Nov 23, 2005; Kyaieee!

Remote work is great if you�re a well compensated tech worker who can afford to have a comfortable and distinct office space within your home. For the less well off, or even the relatively well off in countries with an extreme housing affordability crisis like Canada, remote work isn�t always more desirable.

# ? Sep 7, 2021 22:28

Arsenic Lupin: Apr 12, 2012; This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.

To say nothing of those who don't live in an area with affordable broadband.

# ? Sep 7, 2021 22:44

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

AMA working from a 350 square foot studio apartment :smith:

# ? Sep 7, 2021 23:30

LibCrusher: Jan 6, 2019; by Fluffdaddy

eXXon posted:

Sorry, I accidentally posted the same link twice; this was supposed to be the second one. It seems to be fairly straightforward in terms of what they did and how, but not so much why.

Not at 2.45 Ghz! Also, the article you linked measured RF exposure at 30‑300 GHz, which is not as commonly used for telecommunications.

5G FR2 goes to 50+GHz. Don�t know if anything on the market uses it though.

# ? Sep 7, 2021 23:37

Scott Forstall: Aug 16, 2003; MMM THAT FAUX LEATHER

Friend got a small and expensive but awesome studio apt in Back Bay where in < 10 minutes he could walk to work and all sorts of great places in Boston and then he was in that room for ~23.5 hours a day for more than a year. Fuckin A that was not great for him.

# ? Sep 7, 2021 23:38

Agents are GO!: Dec 29, 2004

Scott Forstall posted:

Friend got a small and expensive but awesome studio apt in Back Bay where in < 10 minutes he could walk to work and all sorts of great places in Boston and then he was in that room for ~23.5 hours a day for more than a year. Fuckin A that was not great for him.

Half an hour in the yard for exercise, eh?

# ? Sep 7, 2021 23:41

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

Foxfire_ posted:

Also, measuring at 30GHz+ wouldn't be very interesting because penetration into tissue falls off rapidly with frequency. Skin is functionally opaque to something like 100GHz em

Turn on your monitor to get blasted with radiation in the hundreds of terahertz.

# ? Sep 7, 2021 23:51

Clarste: Apr 15, 2013; Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

Shofixti posted:

Remote work is great if you�re a well compensated tech worker who can afford to have a comfortable and distinct office space within your home. For the less well off, or even the relatively well off in countries with an extreme housing affordability crisis like Canada, remote work isn�t always more desirable.

Isn't it even better for places with unaffordable housing? Because it means you can move somewhere cheaper without losing your job.

Also, I'm not sure why you need a dedicated office space; I just work from my bedroom. I guess it could be a problem if you have kids running around constantly. You do need a personal computer though, which might be more of an issue.

# ? Sep 8, 2021 05:41

RFC2324: Jun 7, 2012; http 418

Clarste posted:

Isn't it even better for places with unaffordable housing? Because it means you can move somewhere cheaper without losing your job.

Also, I'm not sure why you need a dedicated office space; I just work from my bedroom. I guess it could be a problem if you have kids running around constantly. You do need a personal computer though, which might be more of an issue.

for alot of people the lack of separation between work and play can cause issues

like, if I worked in my bedroom, I would either never sleep because work is RIGHT THERE, or never work because my bed is RIGHT THERE

as it is, my office is my bunny room, so I will randomly stop working to cuddle bunnies

# ? Sep 8, 2021 07:07

PhazonLink: Jul 17, 2010

Dont forget a problem with co workers or bad managers asking for work stuff because they KNOW you are there.

We really really really really need to update laws and cultural attiudes on what work is and how it is.

# ? Sep 8, 2021 07:33

tracecomplete: Feb 26, 2017

Scott Forstall posted:

Friend got a small and expensive but awesome studio apt in Back Bay where in < 10 minutes he could walk to work and all sorts of great places in Boston and then he was in that room for ~23.5 hours a day for more than a year. Fuckin A that was not great for him.

Just before COVID I'd bought a house in Somerville that was cramped but hey, look at all this awesome stuff right within walking distance!

Sold it and moved south of the city. Basically traded it straight across for a yard and twice as much house and it's probably why I didn't go out of my gourd during all this.

# ? Sep 8, 2021 08:42

Freakazoid_: Jul 5, 2013; Buglord

RFC2324 posted:

as it is, my office is my bunny room, so I will randomly stop working to cuddle bunnies

post the buns

# ? Sep 8, 2021 09:22

His Divine Shadow: Aug 7, 2000; I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

tracecomplete posted:

Just before COVID I'd bought a house in Somerville that was cramped but hey, look at all this awesome stuff right within walking distance!

Sold it and moved south of the city. Basically traded it straight across for a yard and twice as much house and it's probably why I didn't go out of my gourd during all this.

Covid has been a lot easier for people in rural areas I think, who are used to a life centered around the house and yard and perhaps the woods as well. Based on my own experience anyway.

# ? Sep 8, 2021 09:29

Chronojam: Feb 20, 2006; This is me on vacation in Amsterdam
Never be afraid of being yourself!

RFC2324 posted:

as it is, my office is my bunny room, so I will randomly stop working to cuddle bunnies

A healthy work/rabbit balance is certainly not a downside to your current arrangement!

# ? Sep 8, 2021 11:20

Shofixti: Nov 23, 2005; Kyaieee!

Clarste posted:

Isn't it even better for places with unaffordable housing? Because it means you can move somewhere cheaper without losing your job.

Also, I'm not sure why you need a dedicated office space; I just work from my bedroom. I guess it could be a problem if you have kids running around constantly. You do need a personal computer though, which might be more of an issue.

I mean if you can effectively work from your bedroom that�s pretty great and I envy that. Many people need a psychological separation between home and work. My bed is for sleeping and sex, my living room is for socializing and relaxation, etc. I don�t love my work and I don�t want it to invade my personal spaces. It�s similar to how some people don�t want to answer work emails after hours and have it invade their personal time. I realize it�s a bit of an uncommon opinion in this thread but I�m legitimately more productive in a space meant for work.

As for housing, someone currently living in a dense urban environment probably has a small living space with no home office. To find a larger place with a home office at the same price, they�d probably have to move to the suburbs or further. This person has had to uproot their life where they were part of a community and had a particular lifestyle which is no small thing. Work isn�t the only reason people might not want to move somewhere cheaper. The larger picture is that flight from dense urban cores to get WFH space is not environmentally sustainable. We�re supposed to be aiming for greater density and walkable/bikeable urban environments.

Ultimately, when I talk about affordability, to me it means I can�t live where I want to live anymore if I need to add office space conducive to work for me and my partner.

However I�m not discounting that for some people this new arrangement is wonderful. They can finally move out of the downtown they hated to the rural estate of their dreams while maintaining their job and, as a bonus, don�t have to interact with their coworkers in person.

# ? Sep 8, 2021 14:14

HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

I'm working from my bed because our tiny apartment has exactly one table and my wife uses it for her setup.

# ? Sep 8, 2021 14:42

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

His Divine Shadow posted:

Covid has been a lot easier for people in rural areas I think, who are used to a life centered around the house and yard and perhaps the woods as well. Based on my own experience anyway.

Maybe in Finland.

In the U.S., the rural hospitals closed and now the denizens are mainlining Ivermectin.

# ? Sep 8, 2021 15:08

Solkanar512: Dec 28, 2006; by the sex ghost

Shofixti posted:

I mean if you can effectively work from your bedroom that�s pretty great and I envy that. Many people need a psychological separation between home and work. My bed is for sleeping and sex, my living room is for socializing and relaxation, etc. I don�t love my work and I don�t want it to invade my personal spaces. It�s similar to how some people don�t want to answer work emails after hours and have it invade their personal time. I realize it�s a bit of an uncommon opinion in this thread but I�m legitimately more productive in a space meant for work.

As for housing, someone currently living in a dense urban environment probably has a small living space with no home office. To find a larger place with a home office at the same price, they�d probably have to move to the suburbs or further. This person has had to uproot their life where they were part of a community and had a particular lifestyle which is no small thing. Work isn�t the only reason people might not want to move somewhere cheaper. The larger picture is that flight from dense urban cores to get WFH space is not environmentally sustainable. We�re supposed to be aiming for greater density and walkable/bikeable urban environments.

Ultimately, when I talk about affordability, to me it means I can�t live where I want to live anymore if I need to add office space conducive to work for me and my partner.

However I�m not discounting that for some people this new arrangement is wonderful. They can finally move out of the downtown they hated to the rural estate of their dreams while maintaining their job and, as a bonus, don�t have to interact with their coworkers in person.

Uh, many of us could never afford downtown to begin with.

Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Sep 8, 2021

# ? Sep 8, 2021 16:19

RFC2324: Jun 7, 2012; http 418

My first thought is that shutting down all the downtown office space is gonna work wonders for housing space availability, which should nicely balance the whole 'needing bigger living spaces' for a portion of the workforce.

With the bonus of less pollution because of the lack of commuting, and neighborhoods likely better set up to support people being in them all the time

# ? Sep 8, 2021 16:25

RFC2324: Jun 7, 2012; http 418

Oops, nearly forgot the requested office bunns

# ? Sep 8, 2021 16:34

Mr. Fall Down Terror: Jan 24, 2018; by Fluffdaddy

RFC2324 posted:

My first thought is that shutting down all the downtown office space is gonna work wonders for housing space availability, which should nicely balance the whole 'needing bigger living spaces' for a portion of the workforce.

nobody's tearing down expensive commercial offices to put up cheap housing. the thing about towers is that they let you leverage not much land to make lots of floor space, but they are very expensive to build and maintain. thus, the people or organizations who rent that floor space have to pay big money to do it

this is why we can't rely on any market based solution for housing. even in a wild and unrealistic scenario of all zoning regulation vanishing overnight, developers would still have to deal with the cost of land acquisition and demolition of existing structures to build luxury apartments. the only thing that's going to work is public housing, either through direct administration or some kind of weird public-private scheme

# ? Sep 8, 2021 16:57

RFC2324: Jun 7, 2012; http 418

Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:

nobody's tearing down expensive commercial offices to put up cheap housing. the thing about towers is that they let you leverage not much land to make lots of floor space, but they are very expensive to build and maintain. thus, the people or organizations who rent that floor space have to pay big money to do it

this is why we can't rely on any market based solution for housing. even in a wild and unrealistic scenario of all zoning regulation vanishing overnight, developers would still have to deal with the cost of land acquisition and demolition of existing structures to build luxury apartments. the only thing that's going to work is public housing, either through direct administration or some kind of weird public-private scheme

I see towers and poo poo getting converted to residential all the time here in Denver, so I feel like you may be mistaken here.

If there is no money in office space(because there are so few offices) they will convert that to something that there is money in.

Because it costs money to own a thing like that and have it stand empty. Alot of money. Way more money than the people who sit on houses are losing.

# ? Sep 8, 2021 17:09

SimonChris: Apr 24, 2008; The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.; Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/doratki/status/1435621048473456643

# ? Sep 8, 2021 17:15

pairofdimes: May 20, 2001; blehhh

RFC2324 posted:

I see towers and poo poo getting converted to residential all the time here in Denver, so I feel like you may be mistaken here.

Do you have an example? Most office buildings I've been in don't have a layout conducive to being converted to housing without a lot of work. Like there's only plumbing in one spot where the bathrooms are, and a bunch of interior space that wouldn't have any windows if everything is partitioned into housing.

# ? Sep 8, 2021 17:21

Arsenic Lupin: Apr 12, 2012; This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.

I came here to post that picture. Creepiest thing ever. Her defense attorneys can't be very happy, either; she's carefully dressed so as not to look like her high-flying Theranos years, and here these people are reminding the jurors of that persona.

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# ? May 17, 2024 03:17

Doctor Butts: May 21, 2002

A lot of downtown office space has been converted, or is trying to be converted into, housing here. However, it still is not cheap.

# ? Sep 8, 2021 17:26

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