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Sep 6, 2021 08:42
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forming a union doesn't have to be an antagonistic thing, its just how it usually happens. there are definitely benefits to unionizing even in a work environment that isn't incredibly lovely. these ppl do sound annoying as hell though and i don't think this is how they're thinking about it.
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Sep 6, 2021 08:43
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martyring any scraps of influence and power cobbled together under the capitalist hell regime is how you augment class consciousness right
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Sep 6, 2021 10:40
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Toupee Groupie posted:I apologize, as I am somewhat new to Marxism. I joined a local group while I was unemployed (computer shop I worked at went under during Covid) and had time to go to meetings and help out. After reading this thread, I understand why Trotskyist ideology isn't for me but I am not quite sure how to answer some challenges that I have been getting from people now that I got a new job. unions serve a purpose as a structure to organize the political power of individual workers for a common purpose. if there is no evident purpose or need for a union to, for example struggle against an oppressive employer or provide common benefits through healthcare and unemployment, if personal relations of power between your comrades and your boss are already sufficient to resolve any potential class conflict, then the union would simply be a red cloth to cause conflicts, not to resolve them. i think what your local group is (and im pulling this completely out my rear end) trying to do is to gain political power by building a corporate structure for the centralization of power, since the assumption is that unions organized by members of your group will be loyal, or at least sympathetic, to the direction of the group leadership. this isnt necessarily a bad thing in of itself since organized political power is how we defeat the tyrants and thieves, but unionizing your workmates wouldnt really serve the purpose, since there is no real motivation for any kind of struggle within your workplace. soo... just try to surreptiously leave a bunch of lenins writings on coffee tables i guess?
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Sep 6, 2021 11:28
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mila kunis posted:reactionaries are allowed to carry, even in threatening numbers, generally harassment free because they're ideologically aligned with the state and the police. What happened to the Panthers wasn't just a result of them carrying guns, but of a variety of different factors, including how much momentum they were building. They would have received the same reaction regardless of whether or not they were armed, imo.
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Sep 6, 2021 13:56
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Mr. Lobe posted:The things you own and use are your personal property. The things which are the means by which someone extracts capital are private property. While it's true that some people have nicer personal property than others, such as seaside homes and expensive jewelry, that's the effect, and the consolidation of private property (financial holdings in industry, land owned for speculation or for the purposes of renting out) among a small number of hands is the cause. Yes, this. In fact, I'd argue that erasing the clear distinction between personal and private property is part of a broader anti-left effort to discredit socialism by claiming in bad faith that everyone on the left wants to collectivize your house and toothbrush and toilet paper. It's fine to own the things you need and use for daily life, including a home. Personal property that's being used to live is not the same thing as private property being exploited for profit.
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Sep 6, 2021 14:45
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in order to understand the phrase "we're definitely coming for your toothbrush", you'd first have to grasp the difference between private and personal property, and then that the person saying it is so mad at the other party that they're also willing to completely throw the distinction out the window
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Sep 6, 2021 14:58
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Everything people said before me is very good. Chris Hedges also said it far more eloquently than I could. https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1430201459442921474
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Sep 6, 2021 16:04
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Everything people said before me is very good. Chris Hedges also said it far more eloquently than I could. Guess I better start watching Tucker Carlson more to catch this Greenwald fellow he likes so much.
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Sep 6, 2021 16:31
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Toupee Groupie posted:Have I just fallen into a "bad" group? yes you have unfortunately there are groups out there who actually do behave like that and have shoved "theory" so far up their own rear end that they can't actually do any loving analysis. They cargo-cult the thing through meaningless verbiage, using the words exactly like cenotaph said cenotaph posted:*is literally sheltering union activists* uh, have you considered that you're petit bourgeois because you own your shelter if they literally called petit-bourgeois, bonus douchebag points if they pursed the lips for maximum French, in the year of our lord of 2021, knowing your circumstances like you described to us here? tell them to just eat poo poo
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Sep 6, 2021 16:53
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They sound like lovely bunch of people who don't know what they are talking about OP. You're gonna have to look after you and your own first and not mind what the local reading group thinks.
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Sep 6, 2021 17:28
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For what it's worth my org is ML and most of the membership is 60+, with a majority of those being homeowners and fairly well off, they still know their poo poo and stick to their principles, so it sounds like you've unfortunately fallen in with some lifestylists. I'd keep looking if I were you.
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Sep 6, 2021 17:39
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marx: bitch i live in a fuckin trash can
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Sep 6, 2021 21:35
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having now completed liberalism a counter history I am struck by the fact that the two main ethics texts in western philosophy, utilitarianism and groundwork of the metaphysics of morals, were both written by deeply unethical people
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Sep 7, 2021 01:24
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Thank you all for listening to me and explaining some things. Where might I find a list or website that might have other groups? I am in Northeast Wisconsin, and I know Milwaukee and Madison have active groups, but I really can't compel myself to drive 2 hours to get to meetings. There are a few older cool people in my group, I think I will talk to them in person to see what they think. Debate is not my strong suit, but I am trying to learn all that I can. I have been somewhat successful to get people out volunteering at warming/homeless shelters, but with Covid, I lots of the older, more experienced people stopped coming, so the group dynamic has really changed. I am now one of the oldest ones who attend, and I am just a tad under 40 years old.
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Sep 7, 2021 03:08
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https://twitter.com/socialist_china/status/1434934066969722892quote:The first issue is the specific ways in which we strengthen our work in order to materialize the spirit of “proletariat of the world unite” in the Communist Manifesto and in this manifesto.
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Sep 7, 2021 05:22
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Sure why not.
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Sep 7, 2021 05:36
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as C-SPAM adheres the Beijing International, dear jeoffro is told by CIA operatives that it must be closed at any cost: posting, woe to all, has become praxis
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Sep 7, 2021 05:49
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oh god, we're going to be judged on the quality of our posts!?!?
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Sep 7, 2021 06:29
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Yeah seconding this especially along with everything else in the post. Marxists who demand that you just disregard reality and act as though you are living in a communism right loving now, are annoying and counter-productive. I'm not even convinced you'd get communism if everyone did that all at once as you'd still have no institutions to coordinate... anything. Coordination is using power. Western leftists believe that using power is wrong.
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Sep 7, 2021 08:38
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https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1434851140319989764?s=20 the discourse on ML twitter over the weekend has been fun
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Sep 7, 2021 16:31
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he's keeping his options open
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Sep 7, 2021 16:33
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https://twitter.com/nygovcuomo/status/825819936371142656?lang=en
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Sep 7, 2021 16:35
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https://twitter.com/socialistboomer/status/1434882648053223432?s=20
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Sep 7, 2021 16:44
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some people call me the space commie, yeah some call me the Lenin of love
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Sep 7, 2021 16:57
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some people call me maurice bishop
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Sep 7, 2021 18:17
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the dictatorship of the pompatusariat
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Sep 7, 2021 22:05
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pouring out 13 beers to honor our fallen soldiers Marxistishly
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Sep 8, 2021 04:22
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we should call capitalists moneygeists
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Sep 8, 2021 04:24
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i was reading a recent US sociological study the other day and it referred to people whose "income largely depends on returns to capital" as the overclass there's just some wild stuff out there
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Sep 8, 2021 04:26
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crepeface posted:oh god, we're going to be judged on the quality of our posts!?!? as I stand to the illustrious Commissariat of Posting, I will say with my head high that all my shitposts were for the international and historical cause of mankind
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Sep 8, 2021 04:29
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Comrade Xi, my forum yearns for freedom from QCS
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Sep 8, 2021 05:55
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1stGear posted:Comrade Xi, my forum yearns for freedom from QCS it's foolish to attribute probes to QCS. under no pretext should QCS and honeypot threads be surrendered; any attempt to disarm C-SPAMMERS must be frustrated, by force if necessary
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Sep 8, 2021 06:32
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Deified Data posted:https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1434851140319989764?s=20 *giant flag of tsarist Russia hanging on wall behind me* I'm a socialist I'm an anti-imperialist I'm a Russian patriot
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Sep 8, 2021 14:58
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As an anarcho-marxist, I agree
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Sep 8, 2021 16:39
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https://twitter.com/geoddo/status/1435413327153451016?s=21
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Sep 8, 2021 17:17
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if u want a picture of the future imagine a khrushchevka crushing a suburban sfh forever
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Sep 8, 2021 18:11
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lebensraum is just the german word for gentrification
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Sep 8, 2021 22:53
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need space to live, but also for cupcake shops and wine bars
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Sep 8, 2021 22:59
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the most unrealistic part of 1984 was when they said that people lived in a state of "perpetual anxiety" about breaking the ill-defined rules that describes approximately 0% of my leftist friends
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