Perry Mason Jar posted:

Did people think I was joking when I said the ruling class are Marxists?

Danger posted:

dead gay comedy forums posted:

in that context is the same thing

the ultimate philosophical goal of Marxism, at least in the sense of dealing with each individual, is to turn ourselves into historical subjects(people capable of making History) rather than being historical objects (bystanders to History). I get your gist, but that is an important distinction to emphasize

Trabisnikof posted:

Isn’t that unnamed senior advisor Karl Rove?

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Did people think I was joking when I said the ruling class are Marxists?

Crucially, as part of this same game, the aide neglected to mention that Ron is also an actor in history. This little detail is left out because it's best for them if you consider yourself, instead, a historical subject. Do not be confused.

Tubgoat posted:

[Epstein]The Earth is Flat[tened by an Immense Clandestine Cartel Who Mostly Uses Its Infinite Power to gently caress Children]

Danger posted:

Yea. I loved Ron's response to mumble something about empiricism. very telling.

animist posted:

my hot take is that the modern distinction between "science" and "magic" draws a lot from settler Christianity. Throughout history most societies haven't had fully distinct notions of "religion", "science", and "government", they blur together. If I tell you "lightning comes from Zeus and he hates tall stuff", might not be literally "true", but it contains digestible information in a memorable way. It's handy for rulers to have religious mandates, it's just generally useful for people to have a shared conceptual frameworks. Religion is a tool for maintaining social networks.

When settlers showed up in places, they needed to disrupt those networks, and one of the best tools for doing so is Christianity. Settler Christianity is a psyop, its main technique is going "everything you believe is heathen nonsense, you're just worshipping painted chips of wood, here come check out the Real God." You say that enough times, and also give out free food to anybody who shows up, then bam, you've got a nice little insurgent force ready to go against the local government. (I read Things Fall Apart recently, thinking of that here.)

nowadays the Christianity in our society is a little subtler, but modern science has held onto the notion of anything that it didn't invent being "heathen nonsense." So they hook some electrodes up to a yogi or a buddhist monk and go "wow! Look at these new brain patterns we've just discovered!"

like no you dipships some monk discovered those in a cave three thousand years ago.

so idt science is incompatible with "magic" if you recontextualize "magic" as "poo poo non-europeans discovered." especially in the context of stuff modern science is bad at, like, say, psychology or economics.

that being said you can't get free energy by vibing your chakras super hard or whatever. thermodynamics is hard to beat. but aside from that

staticman posted:

Reality's forceful merger of the Reactionary Movements & Epstein threads continues
https://twitter.com/brooklynmarie/status/1435658058412146691

animist posted:

my hot take is that the modern distinction between "science" and "magic" draws a lot from settler Christianity. Throughout history most societies haven't had fully distinct notions of "religion", "science", and "government", they blur together. If I tell you "lightning comes from Zeus and he hates tall stuff", might not be literally "true", but it contains digestible information in a memorable way. It's handy for rulers to have religious mandates, it's just generally useful for people to have a shared conceptual frameworks. Religion is a tool for maintaining social networks.

When settlers showed up in places, they needed to disrupt those networks, and one of the best tools for doing so is Christianity. Settler Christianity is a psyop, its main technique is going "everything you believe is heathen nonsense, you're just worshipping painted chips of wood, here come check out the Real God." You say that enough times, and also give out free food to anybody who shows up, then bam, you've got a nice little insurgent force ready to go against the local government. (I read Things Fall Apart recently, thinking of that here.)

nowadays the Christianity in our society is a little subtler, but modern science has held onto the notion of anything that it didn't invent being "heathen nonsense." So they hook some electrodes up to a yogi or a buddhist monk and go "wow! Look at these new brain patterns we've just discovered!"

like no you dipships some monk discovered those in a cave three thousand years ago.

so idt science is incompatible with "magic" if you recontextualize "magic" as "poo poo non-europeans discovered." especially in the context of stuff modern science is bad at, like, say, psychology or economics.

that being said you can't get free energy by vibing your chakras super hard or whatever. thermodynamics is hard to beat. but aside from that

Centrist Committee posted:

according to kwame ture, citing darwin's final book, monotheism originated in africa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN8oq7lF9FA

I think it's important to listen to non-white revolutionaries, lest one chases the ouroboros of bourgeois ideology past the event horizon of the end of history, straight into the singularity of capitalist realism

Danger posted:

I mean wasn’t this conflict resolved by Marx via Hegel? Like it’s the reason for the rejection of empiricism without being reduced to vulgar idealism.

nut posted:

haha totally, so about this Real God you mentioned…

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/StevenBeynon/status/1435590133458296834

Asproigerosis posted:

Woah Texas schools are giving out free gender fluids?!

Danger posted:

Tubgoat posted:

I thought Steve got done for simple possession? Or was that another children's television host?

GWBBQ posted:

I'm not sure if I would say "resolved," but I would just be writing a bunch of paragraphs that boil down to nitpicking semantics. Dialectical materialism is a scientific theory that can be applied to history, material conditions, etc. to understand the underlying basis just like more easy quantifiable theories like, say, gravity, can be applied to watching something fall and determining where it will end up hitting the ground.

World War Mammories posted:

thread, please don't loving convince yourself of the efficacy of magic rituals and poo poo. jesus christ. you're supposed to be leftists. focus on material conditions, not the frothiness of the semen some rear end in a top hat bonesman ejaculates into a coffin

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Higher resolution of bottom right shelf:

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Excelzior posted:

why is the coffee table so surprised

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Good question. It shouldn't come as any surprise that white supremacy is on top. Ignorant table.

World War Mammories posted:

thread, please don't loving convince yourself of the efficacy of magic rituals and poo poo. jesus christ. you're supposed to be leftists. focus on material conditions, not the frothiness of the semen some rear end in a top hat bonesman ejaculates into a coffin

The_Rob posted:

I don’t understand why you’re so offended. it’s just another realm of understanding that people should be able to look at.

World War Mammories posted:

things do not, for example, "reverberate backward through time" in any meaningful sense, op. thinking about fiction is fine, thinking about the weird poo poo people do that has no bearing on material reality is fine, thinking about how that affects their perceptions and therefore their actions and therefore material conditions is fine. good, even! but thinking that there's an entire universe, unknown to all but an elite few, of crap like blood sacrifices measurably affecting empirical results - that's no better than joel osteen preaching prosperity gospel. and moreover it rejects material conditions, ie. the concept that actually describes empirical reality because those conditions are empirical reality. this woo poo poo is like looking at how a puddle perfectly fits into its hole and concluding that the falling rain reverberated backwards through time to create the perfect container for itself.

a few DRUNK BONERS posted:

the past only exists in people's heads

World War Mammories posted:

thread, please don't loving convince yourself of the efficacy of magic rituals and poo poo. jesus christ. you're supposed to be leftists. focus on material conditions, not the frothiness of the semen some rear end in a top hat bonesman ejaculates into a coffin

Anime Bernie Bro posted:

drat those dudes pretending the holocaust never happened are doin gods work then

Excelzior posted:

wish I could erase this derail from history