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These days I have no idea what people mean when they say “looks like a tv show”
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Sep 11, 2021 03:34
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Yeah same
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Sep 11, 2021 03:45
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Colonel Whitey posted:These days I have no idea what people mean when they say “looks like a tv show” Using two different TV shows starring Zendaya, you can have stuff run the gamut from something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpibxh-tWOI to something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY9jIwCx8y4 So... yeah, if you wanna say something "looks like a TV show" you gotta be more specific lol.
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Sep 11, 2021 04:09
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Shard posted:One thing that surprised me the most with this trailer is how good everything looks. The lighting and cinematography is so different from what they went for in the originals but still looks good. I'm interested in seeing this. Movie was so damned good I forgot about everything I thought going into it for 22 years.
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Sep 11, 2021 04:10
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teagone posted:Nothing in that Resurrections trailer looked egregiously TV-esque to me. That said, the line between the cinematic aesthetic of film and TV has been blurred for several years now. There are a lot of good looking tv shows. That’s because movies have gotten lower budget. I’m specifically comparing M4 trailer to other big budget modern movies and the original trilogy. It definitely skews closer to TV.
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Sep 11, 2021 04:27
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In what way?
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Sep 11, 2021 04:36
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Colonel Whitey posted:In what way? The lighting, choice of color treatment, sets. The camera movements. I would even go so far as to say the acting/actors. Remember that guy who cut a trailer for the shining but it’s a romcom? You could totally do this with just the M4 trailer footage into a TV drama.
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Sep 11, 2021 04:46
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I think you have to be a little more specific, you just listed all the basic elements of filmmaking. What is it about those elements that looks like tv?
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Sep 11, 2021 04:48
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Shaocaholica posted:Remember that guy who cut a trailer for the shining but it’s a romcom? You could totally do this with just the M4 trailer footage into a TV drama. This is more about how strength of editing works, and has little to do with the visual aesthetic of something. [edit] Like, poo poo, here's The Incredibles — an animated film — cut 7 different ways: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqLqJojLUro teagone fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Sep 11, 2021 |
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Sep 11, 2021 04:57
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Neil Patrick Harris is a TV man, so it is like TV
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Sep 11, 2021 05:00
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Colonel Whitey posted:These days I have no idea what people mean when they say “looks like a tv show” That’s fine, they don’t either.
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Sep 11, 2021 05:03
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“looks like a tv show” p.sure just means lack of a dedicated d.o.p.?Gonz posted:Oh there's no meaning in it at all; just that everybody would expect Smith to be some sort of leftover malware that's trying to piece itself back together for another go at the machines, and he's just some random dude, instead. sans the revenge narrative: yes
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Sep 11, 2021 05:14
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Shaocaholica posted:The lighting, choice of color treatment, sets. The camera movements. I would even go so far as to say the acting/actors. It was 4 stylishly-edited minutes of the film I truly don’t know how you can make those claims, especially about the acting. Absolute nonsense.
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Sep 11, 2021 05:17
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Qualia posted:“looks like a tv show” p.sure just means lack of a dedicated d.o.p.? I'd say "Looks like a TV show" can be used as a catch-all term for use when something looks cheap, i.e., criticizing a film for having similar visuals to a sitcom or something (static wide shots, generic/uninteresting scene blocking, little/uninspired camera movement, flat lighting with zero contrast, uninteresting color grading...basically something shot efficiently as opposed to artistically), but again, that doesn't always work because not all TV shows are sitcoms. Some TV shows are beautifully shot (see Euphoria or Queen's Gambit as examples). I know art is subjective, but imo, there is absolutely nothing in the Matrix Resurrections trailer that comes across looking like a Seinfeld episode or something similar, lol. If you want an example of a big budget blockbuster that you actually can attribute the "it looks like a TV show" criticism to, check out The Avengers and compare it to Godzilla 2014—both films employed the same director of photography, but Avengers was helmed by a lovely rear end TV director and it shows. [edit] vvv   Using the lack of artistic merit in Whedon's work as a proper example of a movie looking like a TV show, lol.
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Sep 11, 2021 05:30
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EDIT - ^ LOLColonel Whitey posted:These days I have no idea what people mean when they say “looks like a tv show” To me its most apparent with the Joss Whedon version of Justice League compared to the Zack Snyder cut. The former "looks like a TV show". Like look at the difference in the two versions of this scene:  Whedon's version just looks flat, because of the choice of camera angles, lenses, lighting, and color grading. Of course, TV shows now often have great lighting and cinematography. But people mean the cheap CW soap opera look. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Sep 11, 2021 |
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Sep 11, 2021 05:31
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PT6A posted:It's a Wachowski film, so my bet is it's going to be more bizarre than anything anyone in this thread can come up with Neo's a hedonist and takes both pills!  Shaocaholica posted:Remember that guy who cut a trailer for the shining but it’s a romcom? You could totally do this with just the M4 trailer footage into a TV drama. How is that a bad thing, though? The Shining is a masterpiece.
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Sep 11, 2021 05:35
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Lord Krangdar posted:EDIT - ^ LOL How does that apply to the Matrix: Resurrections trailer though
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Sep 11, 2021 05:50
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It doesn't (imo).
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Sep 11, 2021 05:55
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Colonel Whitey posted:How does that apply to the Matrix: Resurrections trailer though I don't think it does. But the lighting is noticeably different from the first three films in the series, and as far as I know they were shot on film but 4 was not. So maybe that's what people are picking up on.
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Sep 11, 2021 05:55
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I've watched that Matrix trailer like 15 times now I'm so loving pumped for this movie
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Sep 11, 2021 06:47
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teagone posted:I'd say "Looks like a TV show" can be used as a catch-all term for use when something looks cheap, i.e., criticizing a film for having similar visuals to a sitcom or something (static wide shots, generic/uninteresting scene blocking, little/uninspired camera movement, flat lighting with zero contrast, uninteresting color grading...basically something shot efficiently as opposed to artistically) [...] okay, so there is no such thing as artistic v. efficient. mad false dichotomy, right? lack of a budget results in lack of a cinematographer: no variable focus, {in}consistent color, theme, tracking, etc. sully this with no dedicated composer, and you end up with rote. you rely solely on a director of action (logistics of performance: blocking, reading, etc.) without actual consideration of the consumption of the display as an aggregate
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Sep 11, 2021 06:57
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Lol I’m not saying it looks like Seinfeld or friends. Admittedly I haven’t watched TV in a while but it looks more like CSI or House or John Wick(yes this is not a TV. High contrast and saturation. Shallow depth of field). than the previous trilogy for the in-matrix shots. There was a deliberate color grading done on the original trilogy to signify the matrix vs the real world which is gone now. But also what replaced it, to me, feels like what’s done for prime time TV and movies like John Wick. Maybe it’s deliberate and will be explained.
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Sep 11, 2021 07:12
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Jimbot posted:We can only hope. Throw in also "being gay" and it'll be hella amazing. if it's not the gayest, most drenched in gender fluid blockbuster ever it'll be a bit of a failure given where the series started out
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Sep 11, 2021 07:13
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It’s super woke but the twist is that it’s all part of matrix v.9 design. Hence the full circle on original matrix social commentary vs new matrix commentary.
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Sep 11, 2021 07:16
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Qualia posted:okay, so there is no such thing as artistic v. efficient. mad false dichotomy, right? lack of a budget results in lack of a cinematographer: no variable focus, {in}consistent color, theme, tracking, etc. sully this with no dedicated composer, and you end up with rote. you rely solely on a director of action (logistics of performance: blocking, reading, etc.) without actual consideration of the consumption of the display as an aggregate I...I think we agree? Shaocaholica posted:Lol I’m not saying it looks like Seinfeld or friends. Admittedly I haven’t watched TV in a while but it looks more like CSI or House or John Wick(yes this is not a TV) than the previous trilogy for the in-matrix shots. There was a deliberate color grading done on the original trilogy to signify the matrix vs the real world which is gone now. But also what replaced it, to me, feels like what’s done for prime time TV and movies like John Wick. Maybe it’s deliberate and will be explained. If the film is indeed taking place post-Revolutions, the in-matrix shots look pretty consistent with the "reboot" stylings of the matrix shown at the end of Revolutions when the Oracle is talking with the Architect—high saturation/chroma with a distinct lack of the green-ish tint.
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Sep 11, 2021 07:27
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Also people say the green tint was not in the original movie, but it was later tacked on to the DVD release.
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Sep 11, 2021 07:39
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Colonel Whitey posted:These days I have no idea what people mean when they say “looks like a tv show” Shang Chi is an example of something that is very heavily TV quality, very poor looking lighting, direction, aesthetic, etc. but I base this off the trailer. Even Star Trek Discovery looks better than that. The Matrix Resurrections, however, I though was beautiful and sufficiently cinematic. Bond: Skyfall however is cinema, beautiful visually and amazing.
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Sep 11, 2021 07:55
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the problem that SMG is alluding to is that this looks like a movie about the subjugation of the Christ which, like, what, why, good god, holy moses, what is this purpose [a recreation of the desert trial?] teagone posted:I...I think we agree? most certainly. it'd be an interesting analysis of the film once released (ps: do not watch this film) as to the nature of the relation between dp, director, editor, but i fear maybe this was never thought of considering the time "gap"? [long story short: wtf is keanu still acting] Qualia fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Sep 11, 2021 |
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Sep 11, 2021 08:04
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Unless they rip off The Invisibles again it’s gonna suck.
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Sep 11, 2021 10:25
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How! posted:Unless they rip off The Invisibles again it’s gonna suck.
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Sep 11, 2021 10:56
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The trailer looks a hell of a lot more cinematic and expensive than the trailers for the original trilogy. I don't think the issue is that movies are getting cheaper looking, it's that TV shows are getting more impressive.
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Sep 11, 2021 11:53
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How! posted:Unless they rip off The Invisibles again it’s gonna suck. Anyone who's ever actually read The Invisibles knows what a crock of horseshit this is. Yeah, they stole a piece of dialogue and a couple shots. But the works are otherwise extremely dissimilar.
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Sep 11, 2021 12:35
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feedmyleg posted:Anyone who's ever actually read The Invisibles knows what a crock of horseshit this is. Yeah, they stole a piece of dialogue and a couple shots. But the works are otherwise extremely dissimilar.
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Sep 11, 2021 12:37
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Gresh posted:Its pretty amazing where we are today compared to 20 years ago. The first movie came out during the end of the hyper corporate computer/.com boom era where things were more or less stable... people had money and 401ks even if they didn't like their jobs. And just think, 20 years from now we'll be living on the burnt-out husk of a totally unlivable planet, except we won't have a Matrix to pull over our eyes and escape it all. But at least we won't have giant flying killer robots after us!
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Sep 11, 2021 13:15
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King Vidiot posted:And just think, 20 years from now we'll be living on the burnt-out husk of a totally unlivable planet, except we won't have a Matrix to pull over our eyes and escape it all. But at least we won't have giant flying killer robots after us! there's people living in fear from flying killer robots right now
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Sep 11, 2021 13:52
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Necrothatcher posted:there's people living in fear from flying killer robots right now Those aren’t robots….yet
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Sep 11, 2021 14:01
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I'm really glad the trailer doesn't match the original movies aesthetically and think the people who are bummed about it are insane. The Matrix movies were massively innovative and cutting edge, the new one should be aiming to be that too, not some dated cheesy 90's nostalgia piece. I also think it's weird that people are complaining that they're reusing scenes and shots from the original movies like Lana Wachowski just forgot she'd already used them or was hoping nobody would notice. Like, there's obviously a reason for that stuff to be in there. I'm really excited for this and I don't really care for any of the original movies.
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Sep 11, 2021 14:27
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i think the new trailer looks nice aesthetically, and different from the previous films the only thing i'm worried about is that the movie is poisoned with the same trump-trauma that a lot of american media has been lately. otoh it would be nice as people have said if they can thread the needle between that and also making some modern commentary on the matrix one of my fav scenes in the sequels is when seraph, morpheus and trinity are just going through some turnstiles and trinity does a full cartwheel through them. i hope matrix 4 is just as subtle
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Sep 11, 2021 14:37
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Gatts posted:Shang Chi is an example of something that is very heavily TV quality, very poor looking lighting, direction, aesthetic, etc. but I base this off the trailer. Even Star Trek Discovery looks better than that. So sounds like TV = things I don’t like; cinema = things I like Still just really trying to understand this shorthand criticism and struggling E: also lmao that the trailer looked like CSI or House, get outta here with that Colonel Whitey fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Sep 11, 2021 |
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Sep 11, 2021 14:59
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Communist Thoughts posted:i think the new trailer looks nice aesthetically, and different from the previous films same re trumpbrain, but I’ve always gotten the impression the wachowskis are pretty leftist and not particularly lib-brained in their politics so hopefully not. they’re good enough artists that even if they are poisoned I’d hope they’d approach it with more nuance than is typical
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