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fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:


i wish them all the best

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Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Lostconfused posted:

I would like to hear the definition of "left-wing politics" in this context.

something something human rights

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

wolfs posted:

hey

what was the real outcome of the news stories from like 2 weeks ago with China banning the feminine men from TV? it came up in conversation today with a friend and i reflexively said “pretty sure that was lamestream media misstating a benign to beneficial thing with kpop stars but I dunno”

China did a 'crackdown' (not even really that extreme) on foreign actors, especially playing historical Chinese figures, and especially especially those using China as a tax dodge scheme, this combined with some party official making a kinda generic boomer-y 'we gotta keep the kids from being pussies who do League of Legends all day' poo poo kinda got conflated to 'China says all Koreans are soyboy cucks who are queering up the place'. Like, yea I don't love the framing of things but I don't think there's been any actual action beyond government grumbling and one famous actress (I think who may be Chinese anyway? I forgot) getting busted for massive tax crimes and getting dropped from all her shows.

Mirello
Jan 29, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
this story is really amazing

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-10/new-red-roulette-memoir-claims-china-kidnapped-billionaire

basically about this couple that did massive amounts of corruption, then the state arrests one of them and the other flees the country, and somehow this is seen as china in the wrong

imagine the headline "america kidnaps bernie madoff" lol wtf the state cant kidnap people, we call that incarceration or the judicial system.

the money quote is "A former member of the CPPCC, China’s political advisory body, Shum said his views on China began to sour in 2008 when the party began to reestablish control over the economy, the media, the Internet and the educational system. Party committees were forced on private businesses, including his." I love how hes like "I used to love china when it corruptly let me become a billionaire, but now that there are consequences for my actions, I don't like it" I hope he's extradited and all of his illicit gains given back to the people.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Mirello posted:

this story is really amazing

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-10/new-red-roulette-memoir-claims-china-kidnapped-billionaire

basically about this couple that did massive amounts of corruption, then the state arrests one of them and the other flees the country, and somehow this is seen as china in the wrong

imagine the headline "america kidnaps bernie madoff" lol wtf the state cant kidnap people, we call that incarceration or the judicial system.

the money quote is "A former member of the CPPCC, China’s political advisory body, Shum said his views on China began to sour in 2008 when the party began to reestablish control over the economy, the media, the Internet and the educational system. Party committees were forced on private businesses, including his." I love how hes like "I used to love china when it corruptly let me become a billionaire, but now that there are consequences for my actions, I don't like it" I hope he's extradited and all of his illicit gains given back to the people.

Read the article and doesn't seem like the book has lot of actual dirt.

I am more interested in why he divorce his ex-wife, who seem to be the real bagman.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

stephenthinkpad posted:

Read the article and doesn't seem like the book has lot of actual dirt.

I am more interested in why he divorce his ex-wife, who seem to be the real bagman.

yea it sounds like the worst sin this book does is be incredibly dull with nothing juicy in it. Like, 'China's oppressive government has KIDNAPPED AND HELD RANSOM their wealthy betters (by arresting them legally for massive fraud and corruption)" isn't new but I was at least hoping there'd be some juicy drama.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1436363839474307073?s=20

So Nord Stream 2 is done. We'll see when it starts pumping gasoline to Germany. I believe Gazprom is hoping before the end of the year.


China, Russia expand trade settlements in local currencies to counter US dollar hegemony

In other Gazprom related news the company is switching from US dollars to yuan and rubles to pay for refueling aircraft flying to or from China. As the two countries continue to remove the dollar from their bilateral trade.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/JChengWSJ/status/1436510052597198849

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/ColinZwirko/status/1435905431801454592

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

wolfs posted:

hey

what was the real outcome of the news stories from like 2 weeks ago with China banning the feminine men from TV? it came up in conversation today with a friend and i reflexively said “pretty sure that was lamestream media misstating a benign to beneficial thing with kpop stars but I dunno”

i posted this before and i don't think things have changed drastically.

crepeface posted:

it's probably a bit of "the olds don't like youth culture" and a bit of this

https://twitter.com/ItsMaoCena/status/1433813548573077504?s=20

https://twitter.com/moghilemear13/status/1433563383731736577?s=20

there's more in the twitter threads

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

wolfs posted:

hey

what was the real outcome of the news stories from like 2 weeks ago with China banning the feminine men from TV? it came up in conversation today with a friend and i reflexively said “pretty sure that was lamestream media misstating a benign to beneficial thing with kpop stars but I dunno”

https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/content-regulation/

Someone posted this translation a couple of pages back but I don't know how accurate it is/the site's affiliation. From my understanding China is trying to crack down on celebrity culture, and the most popular variant of that in China is kpop and kpop adjacent stuff. It's really weird and gross for western media to editorialize that as "effeminate" behavior.

Also in the last 1-2 years there was a major Chinese court ruling that strengthened LGBTQ+ rights in China. I don't know why they'd suddenly want to backtrack on that.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/content-regulation/

Someone posted this translation a couple of pages back but I don't know how accurate it is/the site's affiliation. From my understanding China is trying to crack down on celebrity culture, and the most popular variant of that in China is kpop and kpop adjacent stuff. It's really weird and gross for western media to editorialize that as "effeminate" behavior.

Also in the last 1-2 years there was a major Chinese court ruling that strengthened LGBTQ+ rights in China. I don't know why they'd suddenly want to backtrack on that.
China should steal all those South Korean jawbones and make an army of Jay Leno-esque supersoldiers to crush the weak-chinned Korean quisling regime.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

When you're positively comparing yourself to Falun Gong you've completely lost the plot.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
https://twitter.com/Tom_Fowdy/status/1436509161282424832?s=19


Hmm building infrastructure seems a more popular route than just sailing a cruiser through the South China Sea every two months.

OhFunny has issued a correction as of 17:37 on Sep 11, 2021

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Americans thinking building infrastructure in their own country is a waste of money that could go to defense contractors and hedge funds, let alone in other countries

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

did somebody say infrastructure awesome an excuse to post a positive south korea tweet for a change

https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1435406717559447559

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/content-regulation/

Someone posted this translation a couple of pages back but I don't know how accurate it is/the site's affiliation. From my understanding China is trying to crack down on celebrity culture, and the most popular variant of that in China is kpop and kpop adjacent stuff. It's really weird and gross for western media to editorialize that as "effeminate" behavior.

Also in the last 1-2 years there was a major Chinese court ruling that strengthened LGBTQ+ rights in China. I don't know why they'd suddenly want to backtrack on that.

Not really. I've posted about it before but the big push to get gay marriage legalized was shot down with the guy saying it was westerners forging signatures

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Communist Russia must return.

I Love Annie May
Oct 10, 2012

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/content-regulation/

Someone posted this translation a couple of pages back but I don't know how accurate it is/the site's affiliation. From my understanding China is trying to crack down on celebrity culture, and the most popular variant of that in China is kpop and kpop adjacent stuff. It's really weird and gross for western media to editorialize that as "effeminate" behavior.

Also in the last 1-2 years there was a major Chinese court ruling that strengthened LGBTQ+ rights in China. I don't know why they'd suddenly want to backtrack on that.

Apparently the term used is 娘炮 which translates to "sissy men" according to zhongwen. Anyway, this seems to be a notice and not a law, and while I don't know a lot about Chinese law it doesn't seem like it would make queer representation on Chinese tv a legal offense. The translation also makes it seem really vague about what this notice is trying to achieve.

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019

who is Noah smith and why do people care about his China opinions? does he even have any special experience/expertise re:China?

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

I Love Annie May posted:

Apparently the term used is 娘炮 which translates to "sissy men" according to zhongwen. Anyway, this seems to be a notice and not a law, and while I don't know a lot about Chinese law it doesn't seem like it would make queer representation on Chinese tv a legal offense. The translation also makes it seem really vague about what this notice is trying to achieve.

from what I've seen it depends on context, if used as an insult it has a more gendered 'sissy' kinda tone yea but in terms of a general address unless the guy doing it was really feeling himself he probably meant the less gendered 'fake image of yourself' in the context of emulating Korean pop culture rather than taking pride in being Chinese and all. Nationalist, yea, but unless he threw in more obviously 'and stop bein a bunch of queers like those Koreans are!!!' poo poo he likely more meant it that way than sexually.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

FrancisFukyomama posted:

who is Noah smith and why do people care about his China opinions? does he even have any special experience/expertise re:China?

He honors western civilization and that his worth.

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

OhFunny posted:

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1436363839474307073?s=20

So Nord Stream 2 is done. We'll see when it starts pumping gasoline to Germany. I believe Gazprom is hoping before the end of the year.


China, Russia expand trade settlements in local currencies to counter US dollar hegemony

In other Gazprom related news the company is switching from US dollars to yuan and rubles to pay for refueling aircraft flying to or from China. As the two countries continue to remove the dollar from their bilateral trade.

lol the US is worried that Europe will become under-dependent on the US for energy and protection of the naval trade routes through which most of it currently arrives

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Nonsense posted:

Communist Russia must return.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

who would these sources even loving be

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010


still not wrong. fingers crossed

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

sexpig by night posted:

who would these sources even loving be


Me.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

sexpig by night posted:

who would these sources even loving be

me i seent it

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Don't believe Judakel's lies. I'm the source. USSR 2 is coming.

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

oh i think i actually know this, it was one guy in the Donetsk People's Republic

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/koryodynasty/status/1436861661185409028?s=19

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
Ussr2.0 reads like the name of a hot new app for cool teens

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

oh i think i actually know this, it was one guy in the Donetsk People's Republic

are those weird russian puppet republics left wing at all or do they just reuse soviet iconography for nostalgia purposes

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

FrancisFukyomama posted:

are those weird russian puppet republics left wing at all or do they just reuse soviet iconography for nostalgia purposes
They're mostly Nazis and nazi-adjacent organized crime.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011


its deeply funny how trump is snubbing the expresident club to just hang out with whatever weirdos he thinks might vote for him in three years

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011

FrancisFukyomama posted:

who is Noah smith and why do people care about his China opinions? does he even have any special experience/expertise re:China?

A prolific and terrible Bloomberg pundit. He has no expertise in any particular subject from what I’ve seen. He’s basically a hot take machine

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

sexpig by night posted:

who would these sources even loving be

Lenin 2

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/BillyBostickson/status/1436940476628619269

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
well gee Senator if you already know China was involved in a cover-up seems to me like you also already knew where it came from

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