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Mebh
May 10, 2010


Yeah any labour policy will basically change nothing without a myriad of backup policies (so won't happen) and that's exactly as intended.

However to the rest of the centrists it'll 'sound' good so they'll all clap and then conveniently forget about it.

e: 28 is how many times Stairmaster will re-invent himself before the next election. 0 is how many policies he will commit to.
e2: Catte

Mebh fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Sep 12, 2021

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Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Bobby Deluxe posted:

The one New York thing I will never forget is getting to the part of GTA4 where you find out what their abbreviation for Patrick is and going uuuhhhhhhhhh...

If it's what I assume it is from Guav's post, then it's totally fine, still plenty of aul fellas in Ireland go by Packie, you wouldn't hear it much in the ≤50 bracket tho. The goalkeeper for the legendary early 90s Irish football team (that actually made it to tournaments) was Packie Bonner

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
i worked with a bloke from pakistan for a while and he used "paki" to refer to things from home. like he would talk about making me paki food to try. it was unsettling at first because i was used to hearing it as a racial slur but i got used to it

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
my ma's winda cleaner goes by packie

it's pronounced more like peckie here

crispix fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Sep 12, 2021

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I'm going away for a few days tomorrow (finally getting to use an airbnb voucher for a cancelled trip over a year ago). It includes 3h on a train.

So I will be wearing a mask and a visor on the train. Windows don't open on modern trains so ventilation will be crap.

I've no idea how many people might be on the train! If it turns out I'm alone in a carriage I might remove the visor.

If you go through Bristol Temple Meades you can see the junction remodel I worked on and after 9 weeks of night work I now hate trains.

Robot Mil
Apr 13, 2011


So no vaccine passports, fine, but.... are there any other restrictions? He says that they're focusing on 'other defenses' which are..... what exactly? Hoping people get vaccinated if they haven't already been? Contact tracing and isolating people who test positive?

One of the arguments against vaccine passports I've heard is that being vaccinated doesn't actually stop transmission. But nothing else appears to be happening now to stop transmission?

I dunno it boggles my mind a bit, we're hoping to come back from Canada to the UK in December finally, but it's going to be really weird to come from a place where masks are still mandated (and the vast majority of people do wear them indoors, on buses etc.), vaccine passports are about to come in to... cross your fingers and hope for the best. Ugh.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

The UK government has been consistently trying to do as little as possible so as long as the bodies are not literally piling up in the streets they will not take any measures whatsoever.

Javid is a libertarian if it helps, he doesn't believe in the government doing anything other than handing out money to rich people. So when he (or frankly, anyone else in the government) says "we're not doing that we're doing other things" the "other things" bit is a lie, they are actually not doing anything but "doing other things" is like "listening to your concerns" which is to say a method of saying "no and gently caress you" without sounding like it.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Sep 12, 2021

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

Javid is a libertarian if it helps
Usually doesn't :v:

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

Usually doesn't :v:

I absolutely knew one of you was going to say that :)

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Man, a bunch of the food shops round my way are 50% empty shelves.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

bessantj posted:

If you go through Bristol Temple Meades you can see the junction remodel I worked on and after 9 weeks of night work I now hate trains.

I am as it happens.
I shall have a look though I can't remember what it looked like before.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

goddamnedtwisto posted:

It's the interaction between the weird rooflines and the way the panelling sort of works like camouflage to break up the verticals, combined with the curves on the building on the left, especially when framed by the perpendiculars of the buildings in the foreground and with the reflections of the windows of the further-away buildings behind - my brain kept trying to bend the rearmost building to be at 45 degrees to the one it was attached to or make it much further away. The fact that the windows don't actually go in straight lines really doesn't help.

It would make more sense as a video but I was drunk and had just had my brain destroyed by architecture and frankly getting just that still was at the limits of my abilities.

Admittedly it's nowhere near as evil as this piece of poo poo:



which is just outside Moorfields Eye Hospital for extra evil.

Holy poo poo I was there a few weeks ago getting poked and prodded and certified as visually impaired and I thought I just wasn't seeing it properly. Twisted my brain right in half, I took my glasses off to look again even like a short-sighted person in a cartoon.

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

Gort posted:

Man, a bunch of the food shops round my way are 50% empty shelves.

Not quite as much actual empty shelf percentage here but lots of the advert product replacement stuff and shelf after shelf 1 or 2 ranks deep of the same variety of soup

even the polski sklep, which is normally literally floorboard to rafters with stock

glad I refilled the brexit stockpile a bit after the covid shortages made me glad of having something to lean on a bit for that. probably a permanent household fixture now

Sad Panda
Sep 22, 2004

I'm a Sad Panda.

Robot Mil posted:

So no vaccine passports, fine, but.... are there any other restrictions? He says that they're focusing on 'other defenses' which are..... what exactly? Hoping people get vaccinated if they haven't already been? Contact tracing and isolating people who test positive?

One of the arguments against vaccine passports I've heard is that being vaccinated doesn't actually stop transmission. But nothing else appears to be happening now to stop transmission?

I dunno it boggles my mind a bit, we're hoping to come back from Canada to the UK in December finally, but it's going to be really weird to come from a place where masks are still mandated (and the vast majority of people do wear them indoors, on buses etc.), vaccine passports are about to come in to... cross your fingers and hope for the best. Ugh.

Boris is meant to be making a speech on Tuesday about it. Probably going to say that we might need to consider masks again at some point.

Schools at the moment are 'make sure your windows/doors are open for ventilation' and that's it.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Just came across this via reddit

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/compendium-of-cabinet-codebreakers/




Actual article links through to each minister and what the breaches were.

Worst two:

Johnson 19
Patel 6

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

Gort posted:

Man, a bunch of the food shops round my way are 50% empty shelves.

Yeah I've not noticed any real issues until today, but the shelves were really bare at my local Tesco. Looked a bit like when the panic buying was happening last spring.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

HopperUK posted:

Holy poo poo I was there a few weeks ago getting poked and prodded and certified as visually impaired and I thought I just wasn't seeing it properly. Twisted my brain right in half, I took my glasses off to look again even like a short-sighted person in a cartoon.

Between Moorfields and the dodgy nightclubs down Old Street I'm certain this thing has actually destroyed someone's brain.

Halisnacks
Jul 18, 2009

Sad Panda posted:

Probably going to say that we might need to consider masks again at some point.

What really riles me is that even where they are “required”, there is zero enforcement so compliance has cratered. I was on the tube yesterday and I would eyeball the passengers as 80% maskless.

The restriction system here was always kayfabe, and I guess no one pointed that out because it’d be uncouth or something.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I am as it happens.
I shall have a look though I can't remember what it looked like before.

No, unless you're a hardcore rail pervert then it's not something you really look at is it.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

bessantj posted:

hardcore rail pervert
pro tier forums name

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

crispix posted:

i worked with a bloke from pakistan for a while and he used "paki" to refer to things from home. like he would talk about making me paki food to try. it was unsettling at first because i was used to hearing it as a racial slur but i got used to it

I mean, if you consider the existence of Afghans, Uzbeks, Turkmen, Kazakhs, and so on, then Pakis from Pakistan makes perfect sense. It just has... uhh... connotations over here.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

bessantj posted:

No, unless you're a hardcore rail pervert then it's not something you really look at is it.

As a former employee of a large, popular, national transport company - ahem ...

I remember when the Flying Scotsman (or maybe some other steam loco but I'm sure it was that) was scheduled to go past our office block overlooking train tracks.

Someone kept an eye on the screen thingy whose name escapes me (it was about 15 years ago now) that shows all the trains moving along the tracks and about 2 mins before it was due to go past, all the lights in the office were dimmed and absolutely everyone ran to the windows to watch it go past.


Darth Walrus posted:

I mean, if you consider the existence of Afghans, Uzbeks, Turkmen, Kazakhs, and so on, then Pakis from Pakistan makes perfect sense. It just has... uhh... connotations over here.

I remember having a discussion years ago with an elderly guy from Pakistan who reported to me on the topic of the P word. He said he didn't understand why people got so upset about it because it means 'noble' or 'pure' or some such word. And I said I didn't think the average skinhead shouting out P P P was letting someone know how noble they thought they were.



I remember I remember :corsair: :oldgranny:

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Sep 12, 2021

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
You can turn any word into a slur if you put a few decades of horrific racialist violence behind it.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Just on case any of you were going about your day with your piss non-boiled, here's one from facebook:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/593296

quote:

People with a lifelong illness should not be subject to regular reviews for eligibility for the Personal Independence Payment (PIP) or Employment and Support Allowance (ESA). People suffering lifelong conditions should not have to prove they are still ill every couple of years.

Specifically the government's response:

quote:

The Department for Work and Pensions uses functional assessments to help determine entitlement for a number of benefits, including Personal Independence Payments (PIP), Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) and, for those claiming because they have a disability or health condition that impacts on their capability for work, Universal Credit (UC).

There is strong evidence that work is good for physical and mental well-being and that being out of work can contribute to poorer health. We want to ensure people who can work are supported to do so. The Work Capability Assessment (WCA) was designed to ensure that people receive appropriate financial support and appropriate work-related support. Reassessments are important to take into account changes in how someone’s health condition or disability affects their capability for work over time.
Toil peasants, work brings you freedom.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Guavanaut posted:

pro tier forums name

When the pandemic started Network Rail demanded that all workers wear masks as well as the usual PPE. This meant that our glasses would quickly steam up and make work impossible so people either took off the mask or the glasses. Network Rail would send people round to worksites to photograph workers to make sure they were complying with the mask rule. We used to call these guys the 'rail perverts.'

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

As a former employee of a large, popular, national transport company - ahem ...

I remember when the Flying Scotsman (or maybe some other steam loco but I'm sure it was that) was scheduled to go past our office block overlooking train tracks.

Someone kept an eye on the screen thingy whose name escapes me (it was about 15 years ago now) that shows all the trains moving along the tracks and about 2 mins before it was due to go past, all the lights in the office were dimmed and absolutely everyone ran to the windows to watch it go past.

Looking at trains I get, well not really but I see tons of trainspotters if I'm working near a station. They'll coo over the various engines but they never say "Oh look, they're using fast clips on this part of the track, not pan clips." or "Is that a HPSA point machine with power link? Got to get a picture of that!"

Endjinneer
Aug 17, 2005
Fallen Rib

bessantj posted:

Looking at trains I get, well not really but I see tons of trainspotters if I'm working near a station. They'll coo over the various engines but they never say "Oh look, they're using fast clips on this part of the track, not pan clips." or "Is that a HPSA point machine with power link? Got to get a picture of that!"

I think it's a scarcity thing. Being there at the moment the first class 68 leaves Dewsbury is as treasured as that first coverless and faded porno mag you found in a bus station bin. UIC60 on G44s is like Kim Kardashian's bum. No matter how filthy it wants to be, ubiquity has drained the thrill.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Endjinneer posted:

I think it's a scarcity thing. Being there at the moment the first class 68 leaves Dewsbury is as treasured as that first coverless and faded porno mag you found in a bus station bin. UIC60 on G44s is like Kim Kardashian's bum. No matter how filthy it wants to be, ubiquity has drained the thrill.

Some interesting analogies which lead me to believe you have definitely hosed a train

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

bessantj posted:

When the pandemic started Network Rail demanded that all workers wear masks as well as the usual PPE. This meant that our glasses would quickly steam up and make work impossible so people either took off the mask or the glasses. Network Rail would send people round to worksites to photograph workers to make sure they were complying with the mask rule. We used to call these guys the 'rail perverts.'

Looking at trains I get, well not really but I see tons of trainspotters if I'm working near a station. They'll coo over the various engines but they never say "Oh look, they're using fast clips on this part of the track, not pan clips." or "Is that a HPSA point machine with power link? Got to get a picture of that!"

I'm saying nuffin', whistles nonchalantly.

At one point when I was temping, I was taking live action notes from infrastructure contract bidders over a period of about 3 weeks, so I had to go to all day sessions with the contractors. Every single one had a one hour 'big yellow machines' presentation which I secretly named "big yellow porno hour". Nothing got them more excited than pictures and images of the stoneblower lifting sleepers and packing ballast. Dirty raincoats R us dot com.

sexciting video for specialized tastes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpUhAfLTFpU

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Sep 12, 2021

Endjinneer
Aug 17, 2005
Fallen Rib

Failed Imagineer posted:

Some interesting analogies which lead me to believe you have definitely hosed a train

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Failed Imagineer posted:

Some interesting analogies which lead me to believe you have definitely hosed a train

Buddy...

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I'm saying nuffin', whistles nonchalantly.

At one point when I was temping, I was taking live action notes from infrastructure contract bidders over a period of about 3 weeks, so I had to go to all day sessions with the contractors. Every single one had a one hour 'big yellow machines' presentation which I secretly named "big yellow porno hour". Nothing got them more excited than pictures and images of the stoneblower lifting sleepers and packing ballast. Dirty raincoats R us dot com.

sexciting video for specialized tastes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpUhAfLTFpU

Tampers and the like are one of the few machines I like seeing on the rail even if occasionally they mess up and turn a four hour shift into an eight hour shift. The idea of jacking and packing an entire length of rail with hand tools makes me vomit.

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Just on case any of you were going about your day with your piss non-boiled, here's one from facebook:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/593296

Specifically the government's response:

Toil peasants, work brings you freedom.
P sure that can be reduced to just three words. Just not necessarily in English.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


https://twitter.com/milkgapes/status/1437133306915655690

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Payndz posted:

P sure that can be reduced to just three words. Just not necessarily in English.
Labor omnia vincit :cryingbobcrow:

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

bessantj posted:

Buddy...

Tampers and the like are one of the few machines I like seeing on the rail even if occasionally they mess up and turn a four hour shift into an eight hour shift. The idea of jacking and packing an entire length of rail with hand tools makes me vomit.

If we're doing railchat, I can't remember if I ever posted this here or not, but it's a pretty interesting documentary about the construction of the Victoria Line, maybe the last hurrah of the New Elizabethan era:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwRRSJ_wtIg

It's interesting from multiple directions, obviously the just sheer traininess of it all but specifically the difficult and delicate operation to divert the Piccadilly Line tunnels at Finsbury Park to allow cross-platform interchange with the new line (starts at 18 minutes), the breathtakingly futuristic Automatic Train Operation system and the use of CCTV being seen as actually faintly sinister (34ish minutes) and just generally the culture shock of it all, from workmen in tweeds and hobnails rather than hiviz hand hard hats, the occasional slips of stuff like snortingly dismissing women shopping on Oxford Street while MEN toiled below, but most of all this, the horniest bit of celluloid created by the British government::[1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwRRSJ_wtIg&t=983s

Homosexuality was still illegal in Britain when this was filmed, so there's nothing at all suspicious about the two full minutes of footage of shirtless workmen accompanied by commentary about iron in their buttocks and mighty appetites and thirsts, punctuated with a smoky jazz score.

[1] Well apart from the ones allegedly seized from REDACTED at Dover that one time.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Victoria line chat:

I remember one of the track engineers at work telling me how the wheels on Victoria Line trains were literally lifting off the tracks at some points (this is about 20 years ago) and it's lucky there were no derailments (well not ones that the travelling public were aware of anyway).

Tube line chat:

There have been some good programmes on Yesterday channel lately about the underground. I nearly posted about it to alert you Twisto in case you weren't aware.
They've been visiting abandoned stations and so on.

Can't remember the name of the programmes now :corsair: but it's probably still there on UKTV catch up. Might have been abandoned engineering but I don't think so.*


Meanwhile there's this: https://yesterday.uktv.co.uk/shows/the-architecture-the-railways-built/


*Found the other one: Secrets of the London Underground https://uktvplay.uktv.co.uk/shows/secrets-of-the-london-underground/watch-online/6268306924001

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Sep 13, 2021

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
I can't remember who is doing the tiny room kits but this is amazing:



See a video by the guy who made it:

https://twitter.com/rokubunnnoichi/status/1207276256946900999

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I can't remember who is doing the tiny room kits but this is amazing:


I was one of the people doing these anyway and that is incredible. I must explore the prank potential of tiny rooms.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Payndz posted:

P sure that can be reduced to just three words. Just not necessarily in English.
Hell of a what3words result though.

Presumably it points you to the UC call centre in grimsby.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Darth Walrus posted:

TBF, Magneto's characterisation does tend to oscillate rapidly between 'Nazis gently caress off, gay mutant communism for everyone' and 'the only problem with Hitler was that he wasn't a mutant'. It's hard to say how he feels about civilian massacres on any given day of the week.

I always thought Magnetos deal was the abused becomes like the abuser and does unto others what he's learned. Plenty of IRL stuff like that too...

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His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Failed Imagineer posted:

If a group of Romanians moved in next door it might slightly reduce my own chances of winning a Grand Slam. Very concerning

Some romanians moved in a bit away from us, we bought seed potatoes from them.

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