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how often have you replied to a question about clearance with "depends on if you have a Dremel"
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I just use ATX since I like the space to work in when I build it, and I don't move my PC or need to save room or whatever it is people use smaller cases for. I have never had a use case for it.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Lots of really weird and irrational mITX hate in here all of a sudden. SFF PCs are cute and good. "sir that's not pizza grease, it's thermal paste"
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Sep 12, 2021 02:18
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On the topic of thermal paste, just how lovely is the stuff a company like MSI would use? Or, rather, how much better is brand-name thermal paste than a generic? I am frankly really surprised at how much better my GPU core thermals are after recently repasting with MX-4, and it's not even like the stock application was bad; it was evenly coated, there was enough, it was not dry or crusty, and honestly seemed Fine. Definitely seen worse. Is the difference really all in the quality of paste used?
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Sep 12, 2021 02:43
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This owns. Also as someone who built an ITX PC this year after a 20 year gap (my last build had a PIII and Voodoo3)... NVMe storage, onboard sound/network, and no need for physical media anymore really changed the game and I don't know why you wouldn't go for, if not ITX, at least mATX. I remember thinking ATX was hot poo poo compared to the Baby AT builds I did before that, but it's wild how much nicer/smaller my NR200 is compared to whatever old Antec tower I had in '01.
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Sep 12, 2021 03:32
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Scythe posted:This owns. That's entirely subjective - I'd say why go with something tiny if you don't have to? I'm able to run a fuckoff huge GPU and CPU air cooler and have space to spare, and my machine is whisper-quiet with 3 big case fans unless I'm playing something demanding.
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Sep 12, 2021 03:44
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https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali564/p/N82E16883360194?Item=N82E16883360194&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-83-360-194-_-09112021 Complete prebuilt with 16gb of ram and a 3060 for $1200 lol. Not too much more than just a 3060 straight up if anyone is desperate and just wants to get a totally new computer.
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Sep 12, 2021 03:51
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CaptainSarcastic posted:That's entirely subjective - I'd say why go with something tiny if you don't have to? I'm able to run a fuckoff huge GPU and CPU air cooler and have space to spare, and my machine is whisper-quiet with 3 big case fans unless I'm playing something demanding. you can do all those things with the NR200
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Sep 12, 2021 03:53
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There's ITX cases that support water cooling and big GPU's. I have a 280mm AIO and a MSI Gaming X Trio 3080 in a Meshlicious (the dumbest named case on the planet). Small footprint on my desk and no issues with cooling.
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Sep 12, 2021 04:04
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comes down to whether you want your computer on your desk or on the ground
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Sep 12, 2021 04:07
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Sphyre posted:you can do all those things with the NR200 The only "hiccup" is really the needing to pay the price premium for an SFX PSU, though you can get a bracket that allows for ATX PSU's at the expense of some fan clearance. I mean I've got a 3.5" HDD, 2x2.5" SSDs, a huge 2-fan tower cooler (Fuma 2), full length 2.5-slot GPU (though this case can fit a 3.5 slot GPU), 2 bottom intakes and 2 top exhausts, and could put another intake on the vented side panel if I wanted. Been thinking about getting the Phanteks T30-120s and just deshrouding the GPU and having the fans intake straight into the GPU heatsink.
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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:Been thinking about getting the Phanteks T30-120s and just deshrouding the GPU and having the fans intake straight into the GPU heatsink. Do it. You'd probably end up with a super quiet build, even during intense gaming loads. People have a lot of misconceptions about SFF and cooling/noise levels, but you can absolutely build a well-cooled, whisper quiet SFF PC if you pick your parts intelligently.
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shrike82 posted:can't tell if this is a joke The reason I've had it like that for a year is because I've been hunting for someone who can take my CAD models of all the components and make a vector file to cut two sheets of acrylic. The whole thing you see there is only two inches high, so I'm sandwiching it between the acrylic with some standoffs (the kind made for acrylic plaques that go on the wall in an office), then mounting the whole transparent case to my carbon fiber backpacking frame, then replacing that 12v bench power supply you see on the pic with lithium cells from a Tesla Model 3. All so I can have a 10-pound backpack PC with a 5950x and 3080 to run my Pimax ultrawide VR headset without wires, for about 3 hours of hot-swap battery life. If anyone knows some kinda CAD wizard I can pay them a hundred bucks, and make the design and components list free for all
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Sep 12, 2021 05:36
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Zero VGS posted:The reason I've had it like that for a year is because I've been hunting for someone who can take my CAD models of all the components and make a vector file to cut two sheets of acrylic. The whole thing you see there is only two inches high, so I'm sandwiching it between the acrylic with some standoffs (the kind made for acrylic plaques that go on the wall in an office), then mounting the whole transparent case to my carbon fiber backpacking frame, then replacing that 12v bench power supply you see on the pic with lithium cells from a Tesla Model 3. This is fuckin wild.
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This is why I love my Cerberus X build - small-ish case, but can do ITX up through ATX, and also fit most cards in it.
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Zero VGS posted:The reason I've had it like that for a year is because I've been hunting for someone who can take my CAD models of all the components and make a vector file to cut two sheets of acrylic. The whole thing you see there is only two inches high, so I'm sandwiching it between the acrylic with some standoffs (the kind made for acrylic plaques that go on the wall in an office), then mounting the whole transparent case to my carbon fiber backpacking frame, then replacing that 12v bench power supply you see on the pic with lithium cells from a Tesla Model 3. What the gently caress, you run that thing off a battery? The whole thing is ludicrous in the best possible way
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Speaking of small(-ish) cases, this ain't SFF but I really dig it: https://lian-li.com/product/o11-air-mini/, https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lian-li-o11-air-mini-review It's the newest O11-based design. Power supplies always get in the way of airflow one way or another so I support banishing them to the nether realm (behind the motherboard). Bottom-mounted fans are also something most modern mid towers can't do, and it's insanely good for GPU cooling. Seems great for compact air-cooled ATX builds. The only issue is that it's a decent bit wider than most mid-towers (288mm compared to the Meshify C's 212mm).
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Sep 12, 2021 14:34
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Alan Smithee posted:I only build pc computers using Grover brand cases Load-bearing CPU
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Zero VGS posted:The reason I've had it like that for a year is because I've been hunting for someone who can take my CAD models of all the components and make a vector file to cut two sheets of acrylic. The whole thing you see there is only two inches high, so I'm sandwiching it between the acrylic with some standoffs (the kind made for acrylic plaques that go on the wall in an office), then mounting the whole transparent case to my carbon fiber backpacking frame, then replacing that 12v bench power supply you see on the pic with lithium cells from a Tesla Model 3. 
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shine on you crazy excess disposable income diamond
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The nr200 is an amazing case. You can run a 5950x and a 3090 at full power in an 18L footprint if you want. Or you can do what I did and tune your CPU to about 100w and GPU to about 260w and have a fully air cooled system so quiet under gaming load you can't tell it's on with your ear next to the case. ITX is not the compromise it once was.
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What are safe GPU temp ranges? Stress testing my new system but don't have a benchmark for context. Furmark is showing 80C with fans at 73%. I understand I can get it lower through undervolting or higher fan speed, but I'm not chasing lowest temp possibles, especially if it's comes with higher noise or less performance; my goal is safe temps. Room temp is at 74 to 76 if that matters. A lot of posts online saying this is really high, but I feel like a lot of those are bragging or serious hardware min/maxers
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Sep 12, 2021 20:21
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The SFF/ITX thread recommended me the Lian Li TU150 back when the NR200 was out of stock and harder to find. The TU150 PC was the easiest build I've ever done and the best case I've ever built in, hands down. SFF PCs are cute and good  The TU150 even has a collapsable handle atop for optimal portability.
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PageMaster posted:What are safe GPU temp ranges? Stress testing my new system but don't have a benchmark for context. Furmark is showing 80C with fans at 73%. I understand I can get it lower through undervolting or higher fan speed, but I'm not chasing lowest temp possibles, especially if it's comes with higher noise or less performance; my goal is safe temps. Room temp is at 74 to 76 if that matters. A lot of posts online saying this is really high, but I feel like a lot of those are bragging or serious hardware min/maxers To answer at least part of your question, I don’t think 80C during a benchmark stress test is a place to be worried—especially if your current fan curve isn’t even running at full tilt.
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Sep 12, 2021 20:33
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Yea I have never manually changed my GPU (or any other) fan curves, and it (an EVGA 1080) seems to want to run at 80 degrees? Like it's only at 50ish percent fan speed, doesn't seem bothered.
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Sep 12, 2021 20:39
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Sep 12, 2021 20:47
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PageMaster posted:What are safe GPU temp ranges? Stress testing my new system but don't have a benchmark for context. Furmark is showing 80C with fans at 73%. I understand I can get it lower through undervolting or higher fan speed, but I'm not chasing lowest temp possibles, especially if it's comes with higher noise or less performance; my goal is safe temps. Room temp is at 74 to 76 if that matters. A lot of posts online saying this is really high, but I feel like a lot of those are bragging or serious hardware min/maxers Safe temps depend on the card, but 80 C is not a dangerous temp in modern GPUs, especially if you only hit it in furmark. Undervolting doesn't trade away performance, however, but stability. It can actually improve performance in some circumstances if your power limit stays the same (it lets the GPU draw more current to hit its power limit, which is better for hitting higher clock speeds). Undervolting past the point where you can consistently hit your target core clock starts to reduce power draw without compromising performance. It's only if you lower your target clock speed or power limit when this will start negatively affecting performance. For example, at its default state my 5700 XT often tops out at around 1800 MHz at 220W. Undervolt it, and I can get around 1950MHz at 220W. Undervolt it some more and I can get it down to around 1950MHz at 165W before it starts getting unstable. This is a great result for performance, thermals, and acoustics. Apparently the 3080 and 3080 Ti respond well to undervolting too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqpfYTi43TE
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Speaking of small(-ish) cases, this ain't SFF but I really dig it: https://lian-li.com/product/o11-air-mini/, https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lian-li-o11-air-mini-review This almost 9 year old Corsair 400r keeps temps low with some extra fans (including a jury-rigged fan in the drive bays below the CD caddy that intakes straight into the Noctua NH-D15), so I keep looking at all these cool cases but have no real reason to upgrade from a cooling or capacity pov. But that O11 Mini Air may just be too cool to pass up on.
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v1ld posted:This almost 9 year old Corsair 400r keeps temps low with some extra fans (including a jury-rigged fan in the drive bays below the CD caddy that intakes straight into the Noctua NH-D15), so I keep looking at all these cool cases but have no real reason to upgrade from a cooling or capacity pov. But that O11 Mini Air may just be too cool to pass up on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGr6DXtxuxI Had an October release last I checked, but I wouldn't assume it's set it stone. One thing I dislike about Lian Li is that a lot of cases are slow improvements over the other, but it's hard to tell which is the latest revision. One issue their cases seem to have is that the hot-swappable HDD bays trap a lot of heat. Not sure if they've addresed that yet.
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PageMaster posted:What are safe GPU temp ranges? Stress testing my new system but don't have a benchmark for context. Furmark is showing 80C with fans at 73%. I understand I can get it lower through undervolting or higher fan speed, but I'm not chasing lowest temp possibles, especially if it's comes with higher noise or less performance; my goal is safe temps. Room temp is at 74 to 76 if that matters. A lot of posts online saying this is really high, but I feel like a lot of those are bragging or serious hardware min/maxers As long as you aren't throttling, I wouldn't worry about it.
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PageMaster posted:What are safe GPU temp ranges? Stress testing my new system but don't have a benchmark for context. Furmark is showing 80C with fans at 73%. I understand I can get it lower through undervolting or higher fan speed, but I'm not chasing lowest temp possibles, especially if it's comes with higher noise or less performance; my goal is safe temps. Room temp is at 74 to 76 if that matters. A lot of posts online saying this is really high, but I feel like a lot of those are bragging or serious hardware min/maxers A little high but won't damage your card, you'll just go a bit lower on boost clocks than otherwise. I didn't bother with undervolting because with my brief experiments even using people's conservative undervolts I encountered stability problems after about a day or so. (also I like the lack of F on the room temps - like no, 74 C is a bit high for room temp I'd say)
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Zero VGS posted:The reason I've had it like that for a year is because I've been hunting for someone who can take my CAD models of all the components and make a vector file to cut two sheets of acrylic. The whole thing you see there is only two inches high, so I'm sandwiching it between the acrylic with some standoffs (the kind made for acrylic plaques that go on the wall in an office), then mounting the whole transparent case to my carbon fiber backpacking frame, then replacing that 12v bench power supply you see on the pic with lithium cells from a Tesla Model 3. I'm your CAD wizard and volunteer at my makerspace. Our air compressor is down so lasers aren't happy, but DM me with your email and I'll get it set up so we can be ready to go when it's back up.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:80 C is not a dangerous temp in modern GPUs really? boy I've been worrying about nothing
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gradenko_2000 posted:really? boy I've been worrying about nothing The 5700 XT could have parts of the GPU die hit 100+ C and still be within spec. Attempts to lower temps are almost always a function of flexing and lowering the fan speed for acoustics.
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gradenko_2000 posted:really? boy I've been worrying about nothing I mean, it's still a little bit on the high side, just not "you're literally melting your GPU" or anything. My 5700 XT reaches steady state at around 75 C (GPU die temp, 94 C hot spot) in Furmark, though at around 40% fan speed, granted. That 75 to 80 C range is the typical range card manufacturers allow the GPU to run at with their default fan curve it seems.
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Thanks all. I changed the fan curves to aggressive and full load temp caps at 73C with 94% fan speed (in my warm room with no AC) so it sounds like it's fine but if it wasn't I'm sort of out of options for changing it cooling anyways. edit: first run was also with whatever EVGA's X1 default "auto" works at (I think that's just letting the card do it's default), but it looks like I can mess around with custom fan curves in the program now if it was a problem. I also looked up undervolting after the post above after it, and it looks like you can commonly get up to 10C lower load temps with just one or two percent performance so I might dive into and start figuring out how all that works. PageMaster fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Sep 13, 2021 |
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It doesn't hurt to remember that CPUs and GPUs are made out of a type of glass/sand with metal for wires, things that aren't particularly bothered by running around the boiling point of water.
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Also thermal sensing is much much much better than it used to be, with dozens of temperature sensing structures spread throughout the die at locations which models show to having the highest temperatures. CPUs and GPUs depend on boosting so much these days that they need that extra resolution to run right up against the edge of the thermal envelope.
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Indiana_Krom posted:It doesn't hurt to remember that CPUs and GPUs are made out of a type of glass/sand with metal for wires, things that aren't particularly bothered by running around the boiling point of water. This. Like consumer GPUs are probably not rated nearly as high, but it's not particularly uncommon for electronics to be rated for operating temperatures way up to 110 degrees C. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Sep 13, 2021 |
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Rated for, but not optimal at. A LOT of silicon starts getting very unhappy at 90-110c. That said, it is generally fine for many things, and for GPUs it's mostly memory that is at risk of failure from temperature since it doesn't have a ton of temperatures and aggressive dynamic downclocking the way GPU cores do. There's no really good reason to let a GPU or anything else be super hot if you're any kind of hardware enthusiast. Just give it more air, or better thermal interfaces. You may or may not get more performance out of it, but fixing a bad situation can definitely give you a quieter system and a lower chance of early failure.
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