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FAUXTON posted:We haven't even seriously pursued clinic-bombing terrorists on an organizational level, instead just gazing upon a long string of 'lone wolf' events where they're found with literal carloads of evidence pointing to their support and financing networks. That's more a case of the US's long history of only going after right wing terrorism when it is left with no other choice (OKC bombing) because its law enforcement agencies are busy aggressively going after any sort of progressive movement or person. Hell just look at how aggressive the DOJ has been in going after BLM protesters vs the farcical punishments handed out to literal secessionists. Their apathy towards abortion clinic bombings is just a result of that (and said agencies being full of right wingers who tend to be anti-choice).
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Evil Fluffy posted:The only reason Republican operatives would be worried about the Texas law being allowed is because if they ever succeed in outlawing abortion they not only lose that as a means to mobilize a segment of their voters but they also know full well what the national reaction is going to be the first time a pregnant woman is left to die an agonizing death in a US hospital like what happened in Ireland a few years ago. I believe they can continue to mobilize their base over "Dems want to legalize abortion again." The right wing media sphere is completely capable of making big scary issues whole cloth; why COULDN'T they mobilize people over something that's already true?
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ShadowHawk posted:From what I can find on Wikipedia, the most recent abortion-clinic violence in the US was in 2015. From 2016 on the bombers have thought they were winning.
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Evil Fluffy posted:That's more a case of the US's long history of only going after right wing terrorism when it is left with no other choice (OKC bombing) because its law enforcement agencies are busy aggressively going after any sort of progressive movement or person. Hell just look at how aggressive the DOJ has been in going after BLM protesters vs the farcical punishments handed out to literal secessionists. Their apathy towards abortion clinic bombings is just a result of that (and said agencies being full of right wingers who tend to be anti-choice). *dusts off hands* welp it's all history now
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ShadowHawk posted:From what I can find on Wikipedia, the most recent abortion-clinic violence in the US was in 2015. There has been stuff going on at abortion clinics that rises to criminal harassment at minimum every day for decades. I would also agree that allowing conservatives to win the abortion fight as the one weird trick to having them ultimately lose it is not going to go the way people think. Name Change fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Sep 9, 2021 |
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Sep 9, 2021 20:52
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Evil Fluffy posted:The only reason Republican operatives would be worried about the Texas law being allowed is because if they ever succeed in outlawing abortion they not only lose that as a means to mobilize a segment of their voters but they also know full well what the national reaction is going to be the first time a pregnant woman is left to die an agonizing death in a US hospital like what happened in Ireland a few years ago. What color is said woman? Because the rich white women will still get their care. And the outrage hasn’t changed anything. If sandy hook couldn’t change the gun control debate….if “kids in cages” couldn’t change the immigration debate. Then a woman dying isn’t going to matter.
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Potato Salad posted:I believe they can continue to mobilize their base over "Dems want to legalize abortion again." The right wing media sphere is completely capable of making big scary issues whole cloth; why COULDN'T they mobilize people over something that's already true? They could also just ignore that it's illegal and say it's happening anyway and we need more laws. Like they do with illegal immigrants allegedly getting Obamacare, or with welfare. It's not like Democrats completely capitulating in the 90s and destroying welfare themselves convinced one single Republican that the country isn't overrun with welfare queens collecting endless government checks to spend on brand name sneakers and lobster and ringtones for their latest iphones
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1437053024535523333?s=20 In 2018 the Democrats beat the GOP by 20 points in Senate voting and the GOP gained two seats.
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Groovelord Neato posted:https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1437053024535523333?s=20 'If enough people want it to change, it will' is some deeply Marie Antoinette poo poo lmao
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I was amazed Chris Wallace was permitted by his masters to even ask that question on a Fox News program given it fundamentally highlights the lack of legitimacy of all three Trump-era Justices, but the only reason it was asked was because he/his producers knew the answer Breyer offered would dismiss that highlighting and reassure people that it was totally fine and not a loving treason-adjacent action designed to consolidate sectarian power on the scale rarely seen since the Roman Republic's fall.
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Amazed to see Breyer advocating for a vigilante purge of the Supreme Court, but here we are.
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Groovelord Neato posted:https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1437053024535523333?s=20 Breyer please just loving retire/die already before you go and give the GOP yet another SCOTUS seat in a few years like RBG's selfish rear end did.
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a.lo posted:Maybe Thomas will die first?? The GOP will just claim he's sleeping until the next GOP administration
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Thomas will die after the Democrats lose the Senate in the midterms.
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Papercut posted:The GOP will just claim he's sleeping until the next GOP administration RBG's family unironically should've done something like this until January.
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Democrats: the supreme court is super illegitimate. Also democrats: Evil Fluffy posted:RBG's family unironically should've done something like this until January. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Groovelord Neato posted:https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1437053024535523333?s=20 So how long before someone writes a book about how cool and radical he is and they have him on the cover with Tupac's do-rag to go along with RBG in Biggie's crown?
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ilkhan posted:Democrats: the supreme court is super illegitimate. Pretending that kangaroo court is legitimate isn't magically going to make it be so.
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ilkhan posted:Democrats: the supreme court is super illegitimate. Both can be true you bootlicking Nazi garbage. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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quote:Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett expressed concerns Sunday that the public may increasingly see the court as a partisan institution.
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This woman said that Brown vs Board of Education was decided incorrectly and the only reason she wouldn't overturn it if given the chance was because there would be too many knock-on effects to other cases and also because no state would pass a law which would make the question appear before the court again so she'd never have the opportunity anyway. But hey, we shouldn't be worried about the court being biased with her on it though. loving cultist ghoul.
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ShadowHawk posted:From what I can find on Wikipedia, the most recent abortion-clinic violence in the US was in 2015. That was just the last successful attempt. A bomb was found and defused before it could go off at a local women’s clinic here in 2017 which led them to stop offering abortion services and now there are no such services available in an hour and a half drive radius. This is in a blue state. Failed attempts still have a chilling effect and have the bonus of not making widespread news.
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https://twitter.com/tjotimmy8/status/1437773245336461312?s=20 Thomas also keeps the vote for his confirmation in the top drawer of his desk. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Sep 14, 2021 |
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ilkhan posted:Democrats: the supreme court is super illegitimate. drat, calling evil fluffy a democrat is pretty mean. Low blow guy, low blow
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Groovelord Neato posted:https://twitter.com/tjotimmy8/status/1437773245336461312?s=20 Just wait 13 years to VOTE,it will fix everything
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On the other hand, if people did vote for Hillary Clinton the court would be 6-3 Liberal right now, if Kennedy retired regardless of replacement; or 5-4 Liberal if he retired in exchange to get Kavannaugh to replace him in exchange for Hillary's pick to also get a vote.
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So you're 100% convinced Clinton would have been able to seat SCOTUS appointments? And one a month before the election?
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Raenir Salazar posted:On the other hand, if people did vote for Hillary Clinton the court would be 6-3 Liberal right now, if Kennedy retired regardless of replacement; or 5-4 Liberal if he retired in exchange to get Kavannaugh to replace him in exchange for Hillary's pick to also get a vote. Wow cool! Now do if Gore had been allowed to win!
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Stickman posted:So you're 100% convinced Clinton would have been able to seat SCOTUS appointments? And one a month before the election? I am convinced that Hillary would not have nominated the people currently serving, and would have made McConnell sit on all appointments for years further damaging the legitimacy of the court. Yet another reason to have voted HC in 16
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Stickman posted:So you're 100% convinced Clinton would have been able to seat SCOTUS appointments? And one a month before the election? RBG probably would've retired a lot sooner if Clinton won isn't really in doubt. jeeves posted:Wow cool! Now do if Gore had been allowed to win! Isn't it pretty obvious that if more people voted for Gore such that there isn't a doubt in the outcome it wouldn't have come to a legal challenge? The USSC of 2000 isn't remotely as partisan as today and was not going to hand Bush a victory if all the networks called it for Gore instead and was well outside the margin of a recount. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Sep 14, 2021 |
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Lol if you folks think that McConnell would have run the confirmation hearings through if Hillary would have won. He would have just sat on them for her entire presidency.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Lol if you folks think that McConnell would have run the confirmation hearings through if Hillary would have won. He would have just sat on them for her entire presidency. He would've offered to confirm her pick in exchange for first nominating his own right wing selection and then after she did so he'd have just ignored her pick entirely. Maybe Clinton wouldn't have been dumb enough to fall for it but that's not a risk I'd want to bet on.
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I keep thinking about what people will do when Roe is overturned explicitly next year, and I can’t see any outcome other than people shrugging and accepting it after some large liberal-respectable protests where Biden or Pelosi says something like “the answer is ‘keep fighting’! Vote!” and maybe they sell tshirts of it later. I don’t know if this is the right thread for it, but it’s really upsetting to me. Like with people deciding they won’t wear masks or get vaccinated, it seems like another thing that breaks society that there’s not a solution for in our present circumstance.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:I keep thinking about what people will do when Roe is overturned explicitly next year, and I can’t see any outcome other than people shrugging and accepting it after some large liberal-respectable protests where Biden or Pelosi says something like “the answer is ‘keep fighting’! Vote!” and maybe they sell tshirts of it later. There's no reason to expect that to remain the status quo. Legalizing abortion is a fairly popular position nationally, including in quite a few states currently controlled by Republicans.
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Raenir Salazar posted:On the other hand, if people did vote for Hillary Clinton the court would be 6-3 Liberal right now, if Kennedy retired regardless of replacement; or 5-4 Liberal if he retired in exchange to get Kavannaugh to replace him in exchange for Hillary's pick to also get a vote. No it wouldn't, Democrats lost the senate in 2016, McConnell would have just held the seat(s) open for 4 years and good luck getting reelected with covid ravaging the nation in 2020 E: even if they won the senate too, Republicans would just filibuster, and according to you Democrats can't use the nuclear option to change the filibuster rules because that's "calvinball" right? VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Sep 15, 2021 |
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VitalSigns posted:No it wouldn't, Democrats lost the senate in 2016, McConnell would have just held the seat(s) open for 4 years and good luck getting reelected with covid ravaging the nation in 2020 You mean like how all the governors who were proactive saw boosts in approval and helped them win reelection? If Trump and his administration were even remotely competent at dealing with COVID he likely would've beaten Biden (EC wise for sure, popular vote probably not) while keeping the Senate. Instead he basically beat himself by doing less than nothing and causing a huge blow to the economy, the only thing he could point to as a 'success' during his time in office. Clinton wouldn't have burned Obama's pandemic playbook out of spite and I doubt she'd have spent weeks saying "nah it's fine it'll come and go NBD" because sure Clinton's full of herself but she also knows that a crisis is an opportunity for a politician.
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