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I don't remember that episode of sea quest
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Tighclops posted:I don't remember that episode of sea quest But do you remember that one episode of Sealab 2021?
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Sep 11, 2021 22:20
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I like Alexander. He is the man
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Sep 12, 2021 04:38
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Epicurius posted:Well, almost, except that they're all a bunch of telepaths who can't successfully join Starfleet because they can't deal with hierarchy, superhuman intelligences or the unknown. This is why I don't take seriously anyone who talks about 'Gene's vision'. You want pure Roddenberry, unfiltered and unconstrained? You get the TMP novel, which doesn't resemble any version of Star Trek that's ever been on screen. Nobody would want or recognize a Star Trek show that used that as its inspiration.
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Sep 12, 2021 04:50
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Typically the Star Trek we enjoy is “Gene’s Vision” filtered through Michael Piller, or a direct reaction to that.
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Sep 12, 2021 04:53
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HD DAD posted:Typically the Star Trek we enjoy is “Gene’s Vision” filtered through Michael Piller, or a direct reaction to that. Yeah, "Gene's Vision™" is TOS, the cartoon, The Motion Picture and the first five seasons of TNG but you have to consider Disaster the series finale of the show.
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Sep 12, 2021 05:37
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I really wish this franchise would lionize the Gene who actually deserves it; Gene Coon.
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Sep 12, 2021 05:40
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Whoever's initially responsible for Star Trek's philosophical underpinning doesn't really matter if that aspect has been whittled away by everyone that followed
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Sep 12, 2021 20:01
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So I have been off and on rewatching TNG for the first time since I was a kid over the past like year or so, and I kinda stalled out after season 2 was fun but all over the place qualitywise I just got through season 3's The Defector, The Hunted, The high Ground, Deja Q, and now am watching Yesterday's Enterprise, poo poo's been rad as gently caress edit: like seriously, this string of fantastic episodes has been rad as gently caress I skipped one about Riker's wandering dick, but otherwise, this has been awesome rotinaj fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Sep 13, 2021 |
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Sep 13, 2021 01:39
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The middle seasons of TNG are legit af, they were consistently killing it almost on a weekly basis with very few missteps.
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Sep 13, 2021 03:17
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1 episode into voyager and theres a lot of red flags
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Sep 13, 2021 03:23
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punishedkissinger posted:1 episode into voyager and theres a lot of red flags Experience bij. Once you get to season four Voyager gets... not bad.
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Sep 13, 2021 03:47
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There is a season and a half of absolutely fantastic Voyager episodes. They're just spread across 7 seasons of mostly ok to boring television.
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Sep 13, 2021 04:26
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i doesn;t help that on average there is going to be 1.5 likable characters on screen per episode, and the fact is that who that is changes, but most consistently is the doctor.
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Sep 13, 2021 04:42
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8one6 posted:There is a season and a half of absolutely fantastic Voyager episodes. Caretaker I&II (not good, but it's the pilot so just nut up and watch it) Heroes and Demons Non Sequitur Death Wish The Thaw Tuvix Basics I&II Future's End I&II Distant Origin Scorpion I&II The Raven Year of Hell I&II Message In A Bottle The Killing Game I&II Living Witness Hope And Fear Drone Timeless Latent Image Bride of Chaotica! Dark Frontier I&II Course: Oblivion Someone To Watch Over Me Relativity Equinox I&II Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy Pathfinder Blink of an Eye Tsunkatse Live Fast and Prosper Muse Life Line Imperfection Critical Care Flesh and Blood I&II Workforce I&II Author, Author Endgame (again it's the last episode, shut up and end it already) Comedy inclusion: Threshold.
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Sep 13, 2021 04:43
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Night is a high point as well. I really liked 11:59 when I saw it back during the original run but it’s probably gone extremely sour over time.
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Sep 13, 2021 04:55
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Workforce sucks, why are you putting it there
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Axe-man posted:i doesn;t help that on average there is going to be 1.5 likable characters on screen per episode, and the fact is that who that is changes, but most consistently is the doctor. It also doesn't help that there is a lot of episodes that just recycle the plot of TNG episodes.
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Sep 13, 2021 05:07
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In Seasons 1-3, there are an embarrassing number of TNG retreads, yeah Then again, I just watched one in Season 4 that reminds me a lot of The Outcast
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Sep 13, 2021 05:17
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FlamingLiberal posted:Workforce sucks, why are you putting it there Workforce being a two-parter is one of the most mind-boggling decisions in all of Trek. The writers must have just really stopped giving a poo poo at that point because I can't think of any other reason you'd stretch an incredibly dull 15 minute plot out over two whole episodes.
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Sep 13, 2021 05:43
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Arivia posted:Night is a high point as well. I really liked 11:59 when I saw it back during the original run but it’s probably gone extremely sour over time. Night is good, 11:59 is an episode that you will either despise with every cell in your body, or you'll enjoy as a quiet, no-stakes episode. I think it's a little dull, but otherwise not terribly offensive.
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Sep 13, 2021 05:48
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curiousTerminal posted:Night is good, 11:59 is an episode that you will either despise with every cell in your body, or you'll enjoy as a quiet, no-stakes episode. I think it's a little dull, but otherwise not terribly offensive. The low stakes pastoral romantic drama is fun, but I think the end of history/celebrating the big anniversary and humanity’s inevitable benevolent turn to the stars elements ring really, really hollow right now. I feel it being painfully naive.
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Sep 13, 2021 05:59
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FlamingLiberal posted:Workforce sucks, why are you putting it there Lingering good memories of the only time they actually use the ECH? I dunno. It’s been a while since I’ve watched the whole thing.
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Sep 13, 2021 08:52
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I def think the episode One should be on that list.
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Sep 13, 2021 09:14
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Really need 'Body and Soul' on the list as well; Jeri Ryan has a ball playing the Doctor, Picardo does an amazing "welp, I've been busted" face, and it makes it canonical that Harry stinks.
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Sep 13, 2021 10:43
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Infinite Regress and Body and Soul need to both be on the list because goddrat can Jeri Ryan act when they let her.
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Sep 13, 2021 10:48
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If we're talking Jeri Ryan being hella fun, then The Voyager Conspiracy is a fun episode
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Sep 13, 2021 13:24
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nine-gear crow posted:Lingering good memories of the only time they actually use the ECH? I dunno. It’s been a while since I’ve watched the whole thing. No I'm with you, I liked Workforce. Some cute romances and the ECH stuff was fun. It shares its biggest problem with Nemesis: the high concept doesn't make sense. How on earth does kidnapping people from space and brainwashing them yield an atttactive return on investment? Maybe because Starfleet is highly trained in their respective field?
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V-Men posted:I def think the episode One should be on that list. Payndz posted:Really need 'Body and Soul' on the list as well; Jeri Ryan has a ball playing the Doctor, Picardo does an amazing "welp, I've been busted" face, and it makes it canonical that Harry stinks. 8one6 posted:Infinite Regress and Body and Soul need to both be on the list because goddrat can Jeri Ryan act when they let her. V-Men posted:If we're talking Jeri Ryan being hella fun, then The Voyager Conspiracy is a fun episode All Seven of Nine focused episodes are generally good, up until season 7's bizarre Chakotay romance subplot and season 4's Retrospect, which is best summarized as "seven wasn't actually raped, she just made that story up! we really need to be careful about all these false accusations, someone's reputation could be hurt!"
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curiousTerminal posted:All Seven of Nine focused episodes are generally good, up until season 7's bizarre Chakotay romance subplot and season 4's Retrospect, which is best summarized as "seven wasn't actually raped, she just made that story up! we really need to be careful about all these false accusations, someone's reputation could be hurt!"
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Sep 13, 2021 15:23
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I've always liked the episode "Bliss". It's one of the better, non-bland Voyager episodes.
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Voyager is mostly inoffensive and boring at worst, and even the bad stuff can loop around to being extremely entertaining. I can only think of two episodes that actively made me angry with how tone deaf and bizarrely hostile they were, which were Retrospect and Repentance.
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Sep 13, 2021 16:23
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There are a lot of just plain dull episodes Especially in the first three seasons Season 1 especially, where there are a lot of episodes that only take place on the ship and there is some kind of space anomaly
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voyager is mostly infuriating because they routinely discover solutions to their problems but then fail to ever act on them because that would take either a level of thought that the writers werent able to put in, or the even worse offenders where the writers COULD think of those outs and have the characters themselves just shrug and go nah, well drive back but thanks. one of the many offensive aspects of threshold to me is the fact that they confirm the whole stupid warp 10 thing works the way its supposed to and can take them to any point in the universe instantly, but oops we evolve into salamanders. so, why not make the ship go warp 10 back to earth and have the doctor cure the crew, since they also somehow know how to...cure evolution? or explain the situation to the federation ships that will likely receive them (since theyre blipping into core federation space instantly with no warning, of course their poo poo will light up) and get the emh to help the humans to make the cure, or whatever. or just go warp 9.9!!!! but nah, episode ends with a fart noise and some abandoned babies in a bog. this is season TWO. the writers still vaguely had ideas at that point, and this was the caliber of show being put on. voyager is miserable and i take enterprise over it any day of the week. id rather watch a night in sickbay 10 times than retrospect once.
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Paper Lion posted:voyager is mostly infuriating because they routinely discover solutions to their problems but then fail to ever act on them because that would take either a level of thought that the writers werent able to put in, or the even worse offenders where the writers COULD think of those outs and have the characters themselves just shrug and go nah, well drive back but thanks. one of the many offensive aspects of threshold to me is the fact that they confirm the whole stupid warp 10 thing works the way its supposed to and can take them to any point in the universe instantly, but oops we evolve into salamanders. so, why not make the ship go warp 10 back to earth and have the doctor cure the crew, since they also somehow know how to...cure evolution? or explain the situation to the federation ships that will likely receive them (since theyre blipping into core federation space instantly with no warning, of course their poo poo will light up) and get the emh to help the humans to make the cure, or whatever. or just go warp 9.9!!!! but nah, episode ends with a fart noise and some abandoned babies in a bog. this is season TWO. the writers still vaguely had ideas at that point, and this was the caliber of show being put on. voyager is miserable and i take enterprise over it any day of the week. id rather watch a night in sickbay 10 times than retrospect once. They could have at least used it for unmanned communications and supply drops.
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Paper Lion posted:voyager is mostly infuriating because they routinely discover solutions to their problems but then fail to ever act on them because that would take either a level of thought that the writers werent able to put in, or the even worse offenders where the writers COULD think of those outs and have the characters themselves just shrug and go nah, well drive back but thanks. one of the many offensive aspects of threshold to me is the fact that they confirm the whole stupid warp 10 thing works the way its supposed to and can take them to any point in the universe instantly, but oops we evolve into salamanders. so, why not make the ship go warp 10 back to earth and have the doctor cure the crew, since they also somehow know how to...cure evolution? or explain the situation to the federation ships that will likely receive them (since theyre blipping into core federation space instantly with no warning, of course their poo poo will light up) and get the emh to help the humans to make the cure, or whatever. or just go warp 9.9!!!! but nah, episode ends with a fart noise and some abandoned babies in a bog. this is season TWO. the writers still vaguely had ideas at that point, and this was the caliber of show being put on. voyager is miserable and i take enterprise over it any day of the week. id rather watch a night in sickbay 10 times than retrospect once. I think one of the main problems with Warp 10 was that they had no way to control where they'd pop out. But they had that slipstream drive that worked for the most part but abandoned it because it didn't get them back in one trip.
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Nitrousoxide posted:They could have at least used it for unmanned communications and supply drops. But all the supplies would evolve into lizards! First supply drop Voyager would be immediately over run with 1000's of lizards!!!
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Sep 13, 2021 16:48
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I still maintain this would have been the best Voyager strategy. Slingshot around a sun to put them back in time 80 or so years so the arrival time puts them close to when they left. Divide the crew up into 12 shifts, 11 go into stasis to save resources and to slow aging and you rotate out a shift once a month. Make a beeline for home, only doing the bare minimum of stops. Boom, you get home about when you left and you only aged 7 years.
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Nitrousoxide posted:They could have at least used it for unmanned communications and supply drops. Just store everyone in the transporter buffer, Scotty Style, and then rematerialize when they are at Earth.
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sometimes voyager is very unintentionally hilarious though. my favourite episode is the one where tuvok has pon farr so paris makes a hologram of his wife to go beat off to, but then janeway turns off the holodeck when hes about to bust
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