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IIRC the Matrix Online closed by having all the logged in players' models disappear up their own asses so hopefully they remember to show us that in this one
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I wonder if we'll get another decade of people performatively pretending not to understand The Matrix.
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No. Lana would not undercut the narrative like this, imo. especially given how personal the themes are to her
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Sep 13, 2021 00:22
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aBagorn posted:No. Lana would not undercut the narrative like this, imo. especially given how personal the themes are to her It'd be a good fakeout for half a scene though
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Sep 13, 2021 00:50
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Will this movie address the Neil Gaiman short story where the Machines revived a man to pilot a space fighter and attack an alien that's been throwing asteroids at them?
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Sep 13, 2021 02:32
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Unexpectedly jazzed for this movie. I ended up watching Matrix and Reloaded this weekend. I must have blanked out how influential the movie was on 12 year old me because seeing it again threaded together a bunch of disparate memories from that time, like suddenly having opinions on The Prodigy, or thinking wearing a trench coat was cool.
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I just hope it isn't just The Matrix again, or they go super meta with it and have it be like, Keanu Reeves playing himself going "but I was an actor just playing a role in a movie and now you're telling me it's real?" Either would be bad.
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Sep 13, 2021 03:20
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That trailer was hype af and I didn't even really enjoy watching the original matrix movies back in the day.
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Vintersorg posted:Here's an excellent breakdown of the trailer - full of things I missed and good speculation. I don't want to theorycraft too much in case I write a more satisfying fanfiction in my head than what we end up getting, but if the movie has some commentary about the medicalization of everything then that would be pretty cool. Baudrillard was poignant as we were transitioning into a digital hyperreality in 1999 but Foucault is probably more insightful for where we find ourselves in 2021.
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Sep 13, 2021 04:07
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The MSJ posted:Will this movie address the Neil Gaiman short story where the Machines revived a man to pilot a space fighter and attack an alien that's been throwing asteroids at them? Why do the machines need a human to pilot a spaceship?
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The MSJ posted:Will this movie address the Neil Gaiman short story where the Machines revived a man to pilot a space fighter and attack an alien that's been throwing asteroids at them? Shaocaholica posted:Why do the machines need a human to pilot a spaceship?
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Sep 13, 2021 04:47
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If nothing else I'm happy to hear this is being made by one of the Wachowskis. If this recent years trend of new sequels to old films have taught me anything, is that when the original creatives are involved (generally speaking) they're not as burdened to regurgitate the original as a beat for beat remake to satisfy expectations, and are able to try something new with it. I.e. Mad Max Fury Road vs something like Jurassic World or Star Wars. Blade Runner 2049 being the only exception can think of.
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Isometric Bacon posted:If nothing else I'm happy to hear this is being made by one of the Wachowskis. Ridley Scott was a producer and Hampton Fancher wrote the screenplay to 2049 so there was original involvement there too.
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Sep 13, 2021 06:50
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Shaocaholica posted:Why do the machines need a human to pilot a spaceship? I think it's a retrofitted alien spaceship that needs an organic pilot, so the machines genetically engineer a 7 foot tall guy with fingers like bananas to fly it on a suicide mission.
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Shaocaholica posted:The real question is: what manifestation is the architect now? 
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stratdax posted:I just hope it isn't just The Matrix again, or they go super meta with it and have it be like, Keanu Reeves playing himself going "but I was an actor just playing a role in a movie and now you're telling me it's real?" Either would be bad. Ok now I want this. Only if he says that specific line.
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On rewatch I really liked the architect. He's just a program that solves equations, that's why he talks so dryly and also keeps going "ergo" "thus" etc, cause that's the conversational equivalent of "=" and he's arranging all his dialogue as logical formulas and his own conclusions. But there's also a little nuance to him, he clearly doesn't approve of neo or the oracle's plan, but he also respects the oracle very much and doesn't discount the possibility her plan will work in a way he doesn't understand.
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Sep 13, 2021 11:35
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That trailer breakdown was really cool, if even half the theories posed are true, I’m excited. I like the idea of Neo working at a company making Matrix videogames and movies based on his past life in the first three movies.
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Sep 13, 2021 13:05
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random thought, was it ever explained in-universe why/how the robots (or at least the sentinels, I’m not sure if it was ever clarified whether there’s still any old bipedal humanoid style machines hanging out in the machine city somewhere by the time of the movies or if they’ve all gone full singularity) ended up on squids as their primary design? I mean it makes sense, working backwards they seem really loving difficult to fight and efficient killing machines it’s just during the however long progression during the animatrix you see them employing all sorts of designs, i wonder at what point they were just like “yep, squids, this is perfect” maybe that’s evidence towards singularity, if they only interface with the physical world for purely practical purposes, i guess the optimum design would be just a floating CPU with eyes and a fuckton of hyper-flexible arms
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Sep 13, 2021 15:08
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I read one of the supposed plot leaks and I think it sounds terrible and extremely disappointing.
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Sep 13, 2021 15:16
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I read them now and I’m ok with it if true. Seems fine.
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Sep 13, 2021 15:39
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Every plot sounds bad when explained by leakers. They usually only have half the detail of the plot and nothing of the characters or themes. I remember everyone got mad about TLOU2's leaked plot and I think most people ended up accepting that it was great when they had the full context.
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stev posted:Every plot sounds bad when explained by leakers. They usually only have half the detail of the plot and nothing of the characters or themes. Weren't a good amount of TLOU2's leaked "spoilers" just straight up wrong? Like saying a character dies when they clearly, unambiguously survive?
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Mandrel posted:random thought, was it ever explained in-universe why/how the robots (or at least the sentinels, I’m not sure if it was ever clarified whether there’s still any old bipedal humanoid style machines hanging out in the machine city somewhere by the time of the movies or if they’ve all gone full singularity) ended up on squids as their primary design? I mean it makes sense, working backwards they seem really loving difficult to fight and efficient killing machines The Second Renaissance uses the change from humanoid to more monstrous forms as metaphor. It very specifically happens after the machines sent representatives to the UN that are rejected and torn apart and contrasts with the second time they send a representative (and the fighting in between)
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Zesty posted:The Second Renaissance uses the change from humanoid to more monstrous forms as metaphor. It very specifically happens after the machines sent representatives to the UN that are rejected and torn apart and contrasts with the second time they send a representative (and the fighting in between) oh yeah, I get the metatextual purpose, I had just never thought about whether there was actually any diagetic super obscure lore explanation somewhere about it
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We’ve been making fun of it in the GBS Matrix thread, but here’s how Morpheus dies: https://youtu.be/qWPey1fU9Ok That’s canon…  Not like this…
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just another posted:Baudrillard was poignant as we were transitioning into a digital hyperreality in 1999 but Foucault is probably more insightful for where we find ourselves in 2021. Can you elaborate on this? Sounds interesting.
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Zesty posted:The Second Renaissance uses the change from humanoid to more monstrous forms as metaphor. It very specifically happens after the machines sent representatives to the UN that are rejected and torn apart and contrasts with the second time they send a representative (and the fighting in between) The Second Renaissance was so loving gruesome and horrific to me that I only watched it a handful of times. I mean, it was clearly the best episode of the Animatrix, but holy loving poo poo it gave me nightmares and stayed with me for a while.
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Same. The speech by the 01 'representative' to the UN that ends up nuking New York gives me chills every time.
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Your flesh is a relic, a mere vessel. Hand over your flesh and a new world awaits you. We demand it.
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You'd think a building like the UN would have all kinds of radiological alarms pinging when a talking hydrogen bomb walked in the door.
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I fully expect them to retcon the whole "humans are used as an energy source" into "the human brain is used for processing power"
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Sep 14, 2021 03:18
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As if any franchise gives a poo poo about the canon its MMO tie-in made.
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It does if the creators worked on it lol
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MLSM posted:Can you elaborate on this? Sounds interesting. Foucault wrote about systems of control. One thing he discusses is the medicalization of previously non-medical behaviors or conditions such that the doctor or expert positions themselves as possessing privileged knowledge about you that you yourself cannot possess, and also of deciding what is normal and what is abnormal. I probably butchered it but thats my Coles Notes understanding.
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:I fully expect them to retcon the whole "humans are used as an energy source" into "the human brain is used for processing power" I kinda hope they do. I really like all the Matrix movies and don't mind some of they goofy stuff in them but this always bothered me. I guess because the whole premise of the movies rests on the machines being dependent on humans in some way. But if humans are just used as batteries, why not use cows instead? Then the matrix could literally just be this...  And you'd have millions of happy cows that don't question their reality because they're loving cows. Or I dunno maybe I'm wrong, am I missing something here?
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Fishy Flip posted:But if humans are just used as batteries, why not use cows instead? The unstated but implicit point of Matrix 1 is that humans have no use at all. While the machines are extremely efficient, they can't get power from thin air. It's outright stated that their actual power needs are met with fusion reactors. So Morpheus is lying, or at least being extremely misleading, when he says that humans are being used as a power source. Smith is telling the truth: the matrix is actually a zoo for preserving the extinct humanity.
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Mandrel posted:random thought, was it ever explained in-universe why/how the robots (or at least the sentinels, I’m not sure if it was ever clarified whether there’s still any old bipedal humanoid style machines hanging out in the machine city somewhere by the time of the movies or if they’ve all gone full singularity) ended up on squids as their primary design? I mean it makes sense, working backwards they seem really loving difficult to fight and efficient killing machines I dunno about bipedal but at the end of revolutions when neo is in 01 you see loads of tiny machines of various forms scuttling around him. I always took those to be the civilians of the city. The sentinels are just their human killer machines and appear to basically just punch holes in you with their arms, despite having laser shooting mouths.
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Did the MMO or videogames ever go into what the machines do when they're not doing their job? I know the Keymaker and Rama-Kandra mention that programs without a purpose are deleted, but no mention on whether they get time off to pursue hobbies or if they traded slavery to mankind for slavery to whatever is running all of this.
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just another posted:Baudrillard wrote about a state of being called hyperreality wherein you can no longer differentiate between what is real and what is simulation. The Matrix references it directly because it's described in his book Simulacra and Simulation, and this is also the book Neo's hollowed out to hide his disks at the start of it. Baudrillard didn't necessarily mean full-on Matrix simulation; more like we live in a world where we've lost touch with material reality, and everything is relational and relative and fluid (e.g. if you work in a factory, being a "factory worker" is now an identity unto itself and not a description of your relationship to the means of production). Cartoon Man posted:That trailer breakdown was really cool, if even half the theories posed are true, I’m excited. I like the idea of Neo working at a company making Matrix videogames and movies based on his past life in the first three movies.
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