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StashAugustine posted:I do think there's a big push from the liberal center to propagandize vaccines and castigate anti-vaxx and related people, simply because it's the only button they can press now that capital is clear they don't want lockdowns and if they can just put all the blame on those fuckin' rubes then maybe people won't notice it's a complete shitshow all around. But it doesn't mean the vaccines aren't effective or that the hardcore anti-vaxx people aren't odten hilariously stupid. Yeah, the death are 100% responsability of the government. But get vaxxed still dammit.
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TrixRabbi posted:Anyone know of any good rebuttals to Gerald Posner's book on JFK "Case Closed" where he argues for why the official story on the assassination is correct and dissects Oswald and Ruby's lives? Also not a rebuttal except about one or two details but Peter Dale Scott's Dallas '63 I believe references Posner's book briefly. mark immune posted:This thread is by far the most "open" thread in cspam, and that's a good thing. it's a shame when homodox thinkers try to shout down more far out reads of our current situation. 100% this. There is no shortage of places to go on the Internet and bash unvaccinated people. I work with people who are vaxxed and unvaxxed. The majority who are vaxxed are liberal and did not want to get vaxxed but felt pressured to and several regret it for reasons that aren't super severe but nonetheless. There are also conservatives there who have been vaxxed, and a few who haven't. I don't believe for a second that insulting or shaming good people, some of whom have done tons of volunteer work over their lives, for not wanting to get the vaccine is an effective tool in getting them to get it. Listening to them, being kind to them, talking differences out is much more likely to have an effect long term. That said, almost half the people here have gotten covid and none got that sick or had serious side effects including the 70 year old who had a heart transplant, so for our own little anecdotal world we aren't in a state of perpetual fear about it. I enjoy the openness of this thread and the ability for it to go to wild places and often times without people getting too overheated. PMJ I love your contributions even if I don't agree with or understand all of them and I hope whatever's got you down gets better. In the end, people will write their stories about which institutions and power centers have been trapped by malignant forces for capital. Apparently some are skeptical of many but the CDC/NIH/WHO are above suspicion, even as the media does their work for them and we know the media is captured. I think in the future Covid will be very much like 9/11 or Las Vegas. There will be a lot more unknowns than knowns. In related books, someone here suggested Medical Nihlism by Jacob Stegenga. Only halfway through and it's super dense and Think Tank Aesthetic levels of hard to wrap my mind around but it really poses interesting questions about medical science and the nature of disease and the medical response to it from a philosophy perspective and I would definitely recommend it to people. He largely says we should not have a lot of faith in many of our medical interventions. One of the easy to grasp anecdotes given is how cholesterol levels required to get on cholesterol lowering drugs keeps being lowered, even though the exact role of cholesterol in lots of examples of heart disease is murky and complex and evidence is light or non-existent that those thresholds need to be lowered for any reason other than to sell more pills. That will be no surprise if you've read Posner's Pharma and see how transparent drug companies are with manufacturing reasons to take drugs many people really don't need.
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inconsequential posted:In related books, someone here suggested Medical Nihlism by Jacob Stegenga. Only halfway through and it's super dense and Think Tank Aesthetic levels of hard to wrap my mind around but it really poses interesting questions about medical science and the nature of disease and the medical response to it from a philosophy perspective and I would definitely recommend it to people. He largely says we should not have a lot of faith in many of our medical interventions. if someone is looking for a more positive approach to this same problem I would rec Richard Lewontin's work on dialectics in biology, tho he focuses overwhelmingly on evolution, genetics, and agriculture
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/prince-andrew-virginia-roberts-giuffre-court-sexual-abuse-lawsuit/ wonder how this one will turn out  quote:New York court to consider sex abuse lawsuit against Britain's Prince Andrew
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Ah! Well, nonetheless, https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britains-prince-andrew-challenge-us-court-jurisdiction-accusers-lawsuit-2021-09-13/
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Excelzior posted:Ah! Well, nonetheless, lmao > In a Sept. 6 letter, a London-based lawyer for Andrew suggested that Giuffre's lawsuit might be dismissed because she signed a release in 2009 in a separate Florida case covering "claims against persons associated with Jeffrey Epstein." "Look, even if my client is a rapist pedophile the victim signed a release saying it's cool." is one of those defenses that probably works when you're in the UK and legally untouchable the way the Royals are.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:I feel you're missing the forest for the trees. My principal concern is the mandates, lockdowns, other things what have destroyed, are destroying, or will destroy the working class. I said I'd stop but you're mischaracterizing me now. I didn't realize Martin Kulldorff posts here  Here's a twitter thread on this guy and his friends. https://twitter.com/maya_chavez_/status/1392585619088416768?s=20 https://twitter.com/maya_chavez_/status/1394677075110412289?s=20 quote:Approximately half of the profiles pushing the case for herd immunity are artificial accounts. These bot or bot-like accounts are generally characterized as engaging in abnormally high levels of retweets and low content diversity. Herd Immunity was the UK plan since March of last year. They walked it back rhetorically because it was very unpopular, but didn't really change their policies. That's why they had to astroturf support. quote:Sir Patrick Vallance, England’s chief scientific adviser, has defended the government’s approach to tackling the coronavirus, saying it could have the benefit of creating “herd immunity” across the population. Trump's people also got caught talking about it. quote:A top Trump appointee repeatedly urged top health officials to adopt a "herd immunity" approach to Covid-19 and allow millions of Americans to be infected by the virus, according to internal emails obtained by a House watchdog and shared with POLITICO. Now that was from last year. Everyone now admits that hard immunity is impossible, even with vaccines. quote:Reaching herd immunity is “not a possibility” with the current Delta variant, the head of the Oxford Vaccine Group has said. The plan for large sections of US and western capital was always to normalize COVID. The contradictions and weirdness we have seen is partly because that is an incredibly hard policy to enact, immediately. Herd immunity was too radical a position to state publicly for the first year of COVID without pushback, no loving way would people be able to come out and say, from now on 50K more people are going to die every year and more people will get long term outcomes. Especially when countries like China has eradicated COVID. They had to slow roll the process.
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NATO getting really low effort about this whole strategy of tension thing https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1437483591169097729?s=20
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Sep 14, 2021 02:51
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If the establishment's motivations are altruistic, step loving 0 is to go on TV and apologise for politicising a global pandemic but lmfao if you are able to believe they're sorry.
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Sep 14, 2021 02:52
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Atrocious Joe posted:Especially when countries like China has eradicated COVID. Well I'm convinced!
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Tubgoat posted:If the establishment's motivations are altruistic, step loving 0 is to go on TV and apologise for politicising a global pandemic but lmfao if you are able to believe they're sorry. Why would their motivation matter? Unless you think the vaccine is worse than covid it doesn't matter why various shadowy cabals want you to get vaccinated, it's the correct response to covid. They've never been altruistic about anything else, why does the lack of it this time represent a hurdle? We know it's not Tuskegee again because the people who are getting vaccinated are the people any conspiracy wants to keep around, while the unvaxxed are the people who they'd want to get rid of. Relevant Tangent has issued a correction as of 03:14 on Sep 14, 2021 |
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Sep 14, 2021 03:12
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Because this entire nuclear slapfight is about people not trusting them??? I'm sorry if English is not your first language and I was unclear. Relevant Tangent posted:We know it's not Tuskegee again because the people who are getting vaccinated are the people any conspiracy wants to keep around, while the unvaxxed are the people who they'd want to get rid of.
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Sep 14, 2021 03:14
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i used to think we weren't at 100% max fascism but then i read The CIA As Organized Crime
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Sep 14, 2021 03:15
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And instead of "Yeah, I can absolutely understand why you wouldn't trust us after *gestures globally and backward in time* all this," the approach they take is one of an abusive parent, which now that I'm talking it out, could explain folks' collective reaction even better.
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Sep 14, 2021 03:20
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animist posted:i used to think we weren't at 100% max fascism but then i read The CIA As Organized Crime I'm about 50 pages in. Kinda seems like the CIA took over as the world's biggest drug pusher after taking it over from the UK
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Sep 14, 2021 03:22
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Serious question: is there any facet of human civilisation that the CIA/capital has not gained 100% control of by this point? Even if other agencies wanted to rein them in, the CIA could just arrange for their detractors' families to die horribly in an unthinkable freak accident.
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I guess I should clarify my thesis is that the crime of COVID happened in March 2020 when US and its allies (besides Australia and New Zealand) decided to just live with COVID. Everything they've done since then is to convince their populations that they actually do care about COVID beyond how it might impact next quarters profits.Tubgoat posted:Serious question: is there any facet of human civilisation that the CIA/capital has not gained 100% control of by this point? Even if other agencies wanted to rein them in, the CIA could just arrange for their detractors' families to die horribly in an unthinkable freak accident. https://twitter.com/ForeignPolicy/status/1031647169131028481?s=20
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Tubgoat posted:Serious question: is there any facet of human civilisation that the CIA/capital has not gained 100% control of by this point? Even if other agencies wanted to rein them in, the CIA could just arrange for their detractors' families to die horribly in an unthinkable freak accident. China is currently peeling their fingers back one by one
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Sep 14, 2021 04:24
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Sep 14, 2021 04:27
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i wanna say chiapas but im already tugging my collar
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Atrocious Joe posted:I guess I should clarify my thesis is that the crime of COVID happened in March 2020 when US and its allies (besides Australia and New Zealand) decided to just live with COVID. Everything they've done since then is to convince their populations that they actually do care about COVID beyond how it might impact next quarters profits. COVID interrupted the last transfer of the idea of the general public that saving money in a bank or other low risk / low ROI investments such as farmland and or corp bonds were going to let people retire or get wealthy. The destruction of the bond market means that the way that people who were born in the 1920-40s (or have parents that learned from the depression) got money for their retirement by often using these methods. My grandparents on my father's side invested in t-notes, savings bonds, local bonds issued by a small bank, and had a little land that they rented out, and were able to retire comfortably without ever touching the stock market or using large financial institutions. They also had 50 thousand in cash in a safe hidden in their house in after the savings and loan scandals, since that spooked them again with bank runs. My mom's parents did have some mutual funds instead of land that helped them out when they retired in 1992, but yeah, in general, you had millions of people where their money was not in the market so it could not be used by institutions to "generate" profit with markets. I know that Treasury Notes are used in broadly in the market, but not until the early 2000s have you had the outpouring of money that we now see from the fed and treasury.) Now, markets are never rational, but the idea that Stocks go BRRRR during a pandemic, while having material shortages is absurd. Things are so propped up now, and interests rates at 0% or negative % has killed off any traditional saving methods that would keep up with inflation. The more money in the markets, the faster the wealth gets transferred to the 1% who own the markets. A long time ago in the 1990s, Ted Turner was famous because not only was he wealthy, but he owned enough conjoined land from the boarder of Texas, all the way to the Canada, that he could ride his horse on his own private property the entire way. Bill Gates now is the largest owner of farmland in the USA and possibly the world. Many 1% are quietly buying up farm land through literally 10s of thousands of shell companies to not create a scene, until the public finds out it is too late, and that the thing that they now need to survive is now controlled by just a few 100 people. Farm Aid and corporate farms did not scare Americans enough to keep looking at what was going on, so they are going hog wild with land purchases. On the other side, housing is going up, and yes Blackrock and others are sure purchasing millions of dwellings, but I can tell you this, the land that my parents inherited, has caused people to show up to their house 3 states away from the land, with literal checks in hand trying to buy it. So far in 2 years, 13 offers have shown up with either checks they can sign and cash, or a person showing up unannounced with check in hand trying to buy it with more money than it is supposedly worth. The land is 30 miles from the nearest city of 1,000 people in Nebraska, the mineral rights are owned by my great uncle, but no one is contacting him for that. The people know that there is no mineral rights to the land who want to purchase it, and quite frankly, my doomer self thinks that in 20 years due to climate change, the land isn't going to be so good anymore, so what is going on here? One company was revealed to be owned by Landlake Sands with a bit of digging. What is the rush for this? Part of what I think is that the wealthy know that no matter what happens to the markets, people need to eat, so of course, you want to have a way to generate wealth even in a depression. The other part is more sinister. What if during a crisis they decide not to grow crops? These people are not going to go bankrupt even if the dow goes down to 10,000. You can sure get the attention of the government, and more than likely protection from the starving masses if you can negotiate protection for food.. I Miss Snausages has issued a correction as of 06:37 on Sep 14, 2021 |
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Toupee Groupie posted:Part of what I think is that the wealthy know that no matter what happens to the markets, people need to eat, so of course, you want to have a way to generate wealth even in a depression. The other part is more sinister. What if during a crisis they decide not to grow crops? These people are not going to go bankrupt even if the down goes down to 10,000. You can sure get the attention of the government, and more than likely protection from the starving masses if you can negotiate protection for food.. Conveniently why covid is being allowed to cull the population.
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TrixRabbi posted:Anyone know of any good rebuttals to Gerald Posner's book on JFK "Case Closed" where he argues for why the official story on the assassination is correct and dissects Oswald and Ruby's lives? The Kennedy episodes of Death is Just Around the Corner podcast do a good job of it, specifically around ruby/Oswald. He’s mostly pulling from the book “JFK and the Unspeakable,” so maybe check that out as well.
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Toupee Groupie posted:These people are not going to go bankrupt even if the down goes down to 10,000. You can sure get the attention of the government, and more than likely protection from the starving masses if you can negotiate protection for food.. it already happened before op it is called "feudalism"
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Sep 14, 2021 08:31
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No, it's actually about microchips or autism or whatever. Just ignore all the rich fuckers vaxxing up asap while the poor are left to suffer.
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Sep 14, 2021 09:11
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:No, it's actually about microchips or autism or whatever. Right, but this was before the vaxxs. Why at the start of the pandemic were elderly black people in NY specifically overwhelmingly more likely to die than elderly white ppl in NY or elderly black people in other parts of the country? What was happening to elderly black people in New York specifically?
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https://apnews.com/article/new-york-andrew-cuomo-us-news-coronavirus-pandemic-nursing-homes-512cae0abb55a55f375b3192f2cdd6b5 What the gently caress were they doing in NY lol
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Cuomo sent people into old folks homes knowing that COVID would spread inside and kill (most of) everyone there, but I can't account for how that'd translate specifically towards black people
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multistability posted:https://apnews.com/article/new-york-andrew-cuomo-us-news-coronavirus-pandemic-nursing-homes-512cae0abb55a55f375b3192f2cdd6b5 eugenics OP
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tbh the CIA As Organized Crime kinda flipped a switch. This isn't something that completely happend over night, it's been happening as I've felt more alienated from my identity as a US Citizen, and while Russian, and Chinese interests are probably ultimately detrimental to my own quality of life as such, in this current system. They don't look like good-guys, but they do seem like a completely appropriate reaction to what the United States has been doing, and their oppositional stances look less like nationalistic blustering, which is how I used to see it, and more like "gently caress all of that poo poo you motherfuckers are evil leave us alone" kind of rejection of American hegemony and idk I am fully sympathetic to it now.
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Sep 14, 2021 10:13
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*reports verified facts* Oh you conspiracy theorists, always believing in Qanon.
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TrixRabbi posted:Anyone know of any good rebuttals to Gerald Posner's book on JFK "Case Closed" where he argues for why the official story on the assassination is correct and dissects Oswald and Ruby's lives? https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/gerald-posner-did-he-get-anything-right https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/gerald-posner-vs-roger-stone-in-coral-gables Aaron Good (from TrueAnon) and Peter Dale Scott has written for this site. so many good articles that help debunk other frauds, like Kerry Thornley too. Aaron's three-parter on dressing down Adam Curtis has some great rebuttals
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gradenko_2000 posted:Cuomo sent people into old folks homes knowing that COVID would spread inside and kill (most of) everyone there, but I can't account for how that'd translate specifically towards black people  Same reason why infant mortaliry is twice as high for black babies. Govt, no matter the party, doesnt care about black ppl
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Shageletic posted:Same reason why infant mortaliry is twice as high for black babies. Govt, no matter the party,
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It is not benign incompetence, these policies and their effects are understood and the outcomes (x population dying) is a feature not a bug and giving the govt the benefit of the doubt is how they're able to get away with killing so many people. Assume malice because it's 100% there
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*ostensible Marxist posting in the CSPAM crackping CIA thread* If there's anything that learning about the history of the USA from its inception to the present day has taught me, it's that the govt of the USA wouldn't go out of its way to murder black people
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nut posted:if someone is looking for a more positive approach to this same problem I would rec Richard Lewontin's work on dialectics in biology, tho he focuses overwhelmingly on evolution, genetics, and agriculture Thank you as always for the recommendation. How do you find this stuff nut? You always seem to have a good book for any topic.
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