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Shardix posted:Did the MMO or videogames ever go into what the machines do when they're not doing their job? I know the Keymaker and Rama-Kandra mention that programs without a purpose are deleted, but no mention on whether they get time off to pursue hobbies or if they traded slavery to mankind for slavery to whatever is running all of this. I think the Machines did have their leaders which they were freed from by the end of the MMO.
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“The important thing about making a sequel in a major movie franchise is preserving the canon set by a C-Tier MMO from 2005.” Gamers. 
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Sep 14, 2021 16:08
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Zesty posted:“The important thing about making a sequel in a major movie franchise is preserving the canon set by a C-Tier MMO from 2005.” How dare you? Are you going to poo poo talk this?  It's at least a solid C+, please.
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Sep 14, 2021 16:20
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Why did buckethead kill morpheus?
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Sep 14, 2021 16:23
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Zesty posted:“The important thing about making a sequel in a major movie franchise is preserving the canon set by a C-Tier MMO from 2005.” I don't think anyone's said that seriously, it would just be funny is all.
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Sep 14, 2021 16:28
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metachronos posted:Why did buckethead kill morpheus? Morpheus talked poo poo about 'Jordan'.
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Sep 14, 2021 16:29
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metachronos posted:Why did buckethead kill morpheus? They wanted the MMO to matter in helping build the overall Matrix world. It’s dramatic and sets up part of the plot for players to want to keep playing. I wouldn’t have been surprised if he was never truly dead but the game didn’t last long enough to find out.
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Sep 14, 2021 16:33
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Who was the masked guy that shot him?
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Sep 14, 2021 16:36
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100 degrees Calcium posted:Who was the masked guy that shot him? https://www.ign.com/articles/2005/05/27/the-matrix-online-kills-morpheus
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Sep 14, 2021 16:44
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quote:Over a week-long period, The Matrix Online told the story of Morpheus's attempts to recover Neo's body from the Machines. When the Machines refused to return Neo's remains, Morpheus began a rampage through the MegaCity, detonating code-bombs strong enough to threaten the Matrix itself. The Machines responded by sending the Assassin after Morpheus. The Assassin succeeded: Morpheus was killed. Lol Morpheus just started playing GTA until he got wasted
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Sep 14, 2021 16:45
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Matrix Online did good at trying to do something interesting in the MMO space especially as it was starting to get bigger and bigger. They should do a new Matrix Online. Or bring the old one back. Whichever.
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Sep 14, 2021 17:07
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MO was kinda interesting in how they had to expand on the renegade programs in order to have enough factions for you to play, and make it possible for people to hack the Matrix in real time, from inside the Matrix, so that they could have a Wizard class. I also remember that you could punt kick someone in the crotch from behind, and this was an entire skill path you could train up.
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Sep 14, 2021 17:12
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A new Matrix game would be a uniquely great fit for VR.
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Sep 14, 2021 17:14
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The unstated but implicit point of Matrix 1 is that humans have no use at all. While the machines are extremely efficient, they can't get power from thin air. It's outright stated that their actual power needs are met with fusion reactors. Wait, seriously? When is it stated that they're using fusion reactors? Yea, if that's the case then there's literally no point in having humans around anymore, unless they need to use our brain for processing power or need to maintain some form of conscious organic life.
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Sep 14, 2021 17:58
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It's in the first movie. Morpheus says that human beings generate bioelectricity and heat which, combined with a form of fusion, provides all the energy they'll ever need. Of course, that makes no sense.
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Sep 14, 2021 18:02
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:Wait, seriously? When is it stated that they're using fusion reactors? I've heard producers made them change "processing power" to "batteries" because audiences wouldn't understand computers.
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Sep 14, 2021 18:12
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Halloween Jack posted:It's in the first movie. Morpheus says that human beings generate bioelectricity and heat which, combined with a form of fusion, provides all the energy they'll ever need. Of course, that makes no sense. Don’t think too hard about any of this, people just need to accept it as a plot point and enjoy the action movie. Nerds that obsess over these things wreck every franchise ever.
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Sep 14, 2021 18:14
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If you were talking about, say, some technobabble about the deflector dish in an episode of Star Trek, I'd agree with you. But that's pretty silly advice for a movie where the hero hides his hacking software in a copy of Simulacra and Simulation, which his mentor then quotes. It's very obvious that the humans do not entirely understand the Machines' reasons for creating and maintaining the Matrix, and might be totally off-base.
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Sep 14, 2021 18:28
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When Neo challenges The Architect about his threat to end all human life, he says "there are levels of survival we're willing to accept", which seems to indicate that the power generated from humans is some sort of luxury thing that isn't totally necessary to the survival of the Machines.
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Sep 14, 2021 18:31
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ThePopeOfFun posted:I've heard producers made them change "processing power" to "batteries" because audiences wouldn't understand computers. And even 20+ years later, they weren't wrong.
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Sep 14, 2021 18:35
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Basebf555 posted:When Neo challenges The Architect about his threat to end all human life, he says "there are levels of survival we're willing to accept", which seems to indicate that the power generated from humans is some sort of luxury thing that isn't totally necessary to the survival of the Machines.
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Sep 14, 2021 18:39
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Maybe the machines are just dumb and don’t understand thermodynamics or energy production. Ever thought of that, huh?
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Sep 14, 2021 19:24
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You can kind of rationalize it if you want. One of the current issues with fusion is that while we can generate a fusion reaction, it costs more energy to start it then it outputs. So the machines use human heat as that energy input. All they have to do is feed the living humans dead humans and follow the circle of life. Of course, the math probably doesn't work out at all and humans are kind of needy as far as food/water go. But really there's no reason to think humans do understand it all when they don't even realize there have been 5 other matrix/zion worlds in the past.
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Sep 14, 2021 21:36
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Obviously, fusion just works in the real world like that
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Sep 14, 2021 22:04
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HPMOR and Yudkowsky are both poo poo but that bit is probably the best take on this dumb plot point:quote:MORPHEUS: For the longest time, I wouldn't believe it. But then I saw the fields with my own eyes, watched them liquefy the dead so they could be fed intravenously to the living -
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Sep 14, 2021 22:17
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Lmao, that rules and raises insane questions about how real physics works
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Sep 14, 2021 22:24
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The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > Cinema Discusso > The Matrix Thread: NEO (in a small voice): Could I please have a real physics textbook?
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Sep 14, 2021 22:28
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That kind of helps me with my pet theory that everyone who escaped the matrix was actually still inside the matrix. It explains why Neo has extra powers outside of the matrix and why you can leave behind 23 individuals and have enough genetic diversity to keep the species alive.
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Sep 14, 2021 23:40
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Do any of the movies or games explain how reproduction works? Like are people actually procreating with their partners in the Matrix - are the machines artificially inseminating the women to correspond with the men they're virtually loving? Or are the partners and children of people in the Matrix just AI? In which case are new humans just being grown somewhere?
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Sep 14, 2021 23:41
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Zesty posted:“The important thing about making a sequel in a major movie franchise is preserving the canon set by a C-Tier MMO from 2005.” It’s not gamers. The Wackowskis are the ones who laid down the canon rules back in the early 00s. They said everything is canon and seem to be honoring that so far I hope the movie does a flashback to show multiple viewpoints of how Morpheus died in a back alley shootout like how last Jedi showed the fall of Luke’s Jedi academy
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Sep 14, 2021 23:42
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stev posted:Do any of the movies or games explain how reproduction works? It was in the first movie. Humans are grown without incubating in an actual person. Probably with DNA taken from both parties.
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Sep 14, 2021 23:44
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Freakazoid_ posted:That kind of helps me with my pet theory that everyone who escaped the matrix was actually still inside the matrix. It explains why Neo has extra powers outside of the matrix and why you can leave behind 23 individuals and have enough genetic diversity to keep the species alive. Narratively it would completely suck. It only serves as an excuse to repeat the same process over and over like having another bigger-badder-strongest-guy-ever showing up every few days in Dragonball Z.
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Sep 14, 2021 23:47
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Cartoon Man posted:Don’t think too hard about any of this, people just need to accept it as a plot point and enjoy the action movie. Nerds that obsess over these things wreck every franchise ever. Morpheus is not an educated person. He’s a low level grunt in the Zion army he’s literally articulating what he put together from others explaining to him. It’s the equivalent of a McDonald’s cashier explaining to someone from The 1800s how iPhones are manufactured.
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Sep 14, 2021 23:48
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Zesty posted:It was in the first movie. Humans are grown without incubating in an actual person. Probably with DNA taken from both parties. Right but like, does the simulation know who has virtually gotten together with who? Is some poor AI keeping track of every couple and every one night stand and making sure to simulate pregnancy and grow a human from their DNA at the appropriate time? This poo poo kept me up at night in the 2000s.
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Sep 14, 2021 23:53
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Noob Saibot posted:Morpheus is not an educated person. He’s a low level grunt in the Zion army he’s literally articulating what he put together from others explaining to him. What a weirdly specific comparison that makes zero sense given how well respected and highly regarded Morpheus is throughout Zion as both a leader and prophet.
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Sep 14, 2021 23:54
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stev posted:Right but like, does the simulation know who has virtually gotten together with who? Is some poor AI keeping track of every couple and every one night stand and making sure to simulate pregnancy and grow a human from their DNA at the appropriate time? Yeah, this is the biggest wrench in the gears of the whole "humans aren't born, they're grown" aspect, bigger IMO than "people are batteries." Seems like a lot of work to keep track of who's loving who.
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Sep 14, 2021 23:57
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I read through the MMO lore. Is the entire Matrix that one megacity (+ adjacent mountain range)?
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Sep 15, 2021 00:01
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Mister Speaker posted:Yeah, this is the biggest wrench in the gears of the whole "humans aren't born, they're grown" aspect, bigger IMO than "people are batteries." Seems like a lot of work to keep track of who's loving who. For the sake of spitballing because this is silly, the AI probably gets a notification ping when an impregnation is successful in the matrix and the farmer bots get an order to begin growing that specific baby using DNA from the two individuals who caused the ping. Then they boot up the baby's battery tube when it's "born" 9 months later inside the simulation.
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Sep 15, 2021 00:02
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A much simpler solution would just be to assign each new baby that's grown to an existing couple. Pregnancy in the Matrix doesn't exist unless it's because a new baby is being inserted.
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Basebf555 posted:A much simpler solution would just be to assign each new baby that's grown to an existing couple. Pregnancy in the Matrix doesn't exist unless it's because a new baby is being inserted. That doesn't explain how a baby would physically look like its parents though, both inside and outside of the matrix.
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