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Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Dr. Killjoy posted:

Process Church is a particularly weird one since it eventually became an animal charity receiving donations from a number of Hollywood celebrities so it’s presumably for the animalfucking sect of the cabal to use (and they were big on bestiality back when they were still a cult).

Process Church took in Michael Vick's dogs:

https://twitter.com/Shikima_King_/status/1437634441627668480

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Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
A couple people mentioned a Process Church + Son of Sam connection but did not elaborate. Would love more on that connection if possible, thanks!

mark immune
Dec 14, 2019

put the teacher in the cope cage imo

Perry Mason Jar posted:

No worries, happy to. Thanks to all who wanted me free and various posters who said warm things about/to me, both here and privately. For what it's worth I have no quarrel with Son of Thunderbeast, although I did PM them to moan that I was goaded into continuing :classiclol: still, I'm not bothered by it and think it was overall for the best. Cheers all

i'm sorry if i contributed to the goading, but i'm really glad this thread is open enough to allow heterodox thoughts into the larger conversation about the powerful perverts that run our lives.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

mark immune posted:

i'm sorry if i contributed to the goading, but i'm really glad this thread is open enough to allow heterodox thoughts into the larger conversation about the powerful perverts that run our lives.

You did not and even if you had no apology is warranted. But thank you. I was mostly being cheeky, I'm fully capable of not responding to internet posts if I don't want to, which Son of Thunderbeast did correctly point out also, lol

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008



Found this fun little chart on wikipedia.


I knew about them possibly sacrificing german shepherds in relation to the son of sam killings, never heard about them killing alsatians in san fracisco


quote:

During its existence, the Process Church attracted much publicity.[13] In urban myth, the Process Church came to be associated with ritual murders, although no evidence of any such connection was ever forthcoming.[14] Rumours spread that a number of Alsatians had been sacrificed around San Francisco, with these actions sometimes being associated with the Process Church, which kept Alsatians as pets. Nothing was ever proved that substantiated any of these rumours.[15] Baddeley later related that the Process Church "has become legendary, both in the annals of hippie history and Satanic lore".[10]

They really got around!

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


Perry Mason Jar posted:

A couple people mentioned a Process Church + Son of Sam connection but did not elaborate. Would love more on that connection if possible, thanks!

Supposedly his neighbor sam carr was in the process church and his sons were Berkowitz's accomplices (per Berkowitz). There was also a place in new york where they supposedly sacrificed dogs for satan or whatever

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Amazing graph. L. Ron Hubbard is a particular sort of Epstein-like octopus-being. Infinite rabbit-holes with him.

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


I really don't want to re-inflame that whole thing and I'm not bashing you, PMJ. Like nut pointed out, that ivermectin study you linked was in vitro and really only showed a potential mechanism of action; those effects would require doses hundreds of times higher than what's safe in humans. This is a pretty comprehensive list of in vivo ivermectin studies in humans worldwide and results don't show any positive effects at safe doses for treatment https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19&term=ivermectin&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=&Search=Search. I went through about a third of it and there are no benefits as far as clinical outcomes, all of what's significant is levels of certain compounds in the blood.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
It was never my intention to go to bat for ivermectin. Contra what someone said it was also not my intention to provide medical advice.

What I said was that it's the case that pluralities of countries are using it and are directing its use. This is plainly true. I don't presume to know more than the scientists and doctors of those countries whereas American liberals are very happy to claim they do. It is pure chauvinism to make inflammatory claims about a treatment which there is no small consensus about its use (distinct from effectiveness). It may be the case that ivermectin is totally ineffective and those countries are wasting their time, sure, yes it is. I very much doubt that they would continue use if it's harmful (and they know it), but harm is implied by liberal media establishments and is rather distinct from ineffective. This is also true of the COVID-19 treatments in the US (remdesivir predominantly) - I don't presume that it is the wrong treatment but I don't also think it's ineffective or harmful (although I've seen more cases establishing harm from remdesivir side effects than ivermectin, which is, what, low sperm? pooping worms?) (I'm not counting overdose it's a separate issue, you can overdose on Tylenol and hospital admissions for Tylenol number in the thousands yearly, this is really separate).

The reasonable scientific approach is to maintain that ivermectin may be an effective treatment, requiring further study, not these hysterical claims about some ivermectin-induced harm which is a total production.

https://www.onedaymd.com/2021/08/what-countries-are-using-ivermectin.html

Anyway the study I linked in response to nut also does not say that ivermectin is in and of itself an effective treatment. nut was seeking MoA, or possible MoA, which is what I provided. This is the mechanism that Pfizer is studying now to create their own COVID-specific anti-viral, for what it's worth.

Edit: going to pre-empt a silly response I'm anticipating. No ivermectin does not "cause harm" by way of causing people to forego more effective treatments. Those seeking alternative therapies are already predisposed to foregoing more effective treatment (if they exist, mind). If HCQ and ivermectin didn't exist it's far more likely they would take nothing or down a bottle of Zinc rather than go the route of establishment medicine. It's cheap and harmless in appropriate doses - it has been called a wonderdrug for its safety record. More akin to popping an aspirin rather than the percocet your doctor prescribed.

Perry Mason Jar has issued a correction as of 21:25 on Sep 14, 2021

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave

Hatebag posted:

Supposedly his neighbor sam carr was in the process church and his sons were Berkowitz's accomplices (per Berkowitz). There was also a place in new york where they supposedly sacrificed dogs for satan or whatever

The Sons of Sam documentary on Netflix goes into a bunch of this stuff. It's pretty wild, I had a few crack-pings watching it.

They stretch the material imo but the stuff about his neighbors being literal Sons of Sam and the mysterious deaths of people around the alleged process church chapter in their part of Long Island is quite something. I think they make a great case at the very least that Berkowitz didn't act alone / didn't do all the killings himself.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Another Bill posted:

The Sons of Sam documentary on Netflix goes into a bunch of this stuff. It's pretty wild, I had a few crack-pings watching it.

They stretch the material imo but the stuff about his neighbors being literal Sons of Sam and the mysterious deaths of people around the alleged process church chapter in their part of Long Island is quite something. I think they make a great case at the very least that Berkowitz didn't act alone / didn't do all the killings himself.

Mindhunter made such a deliberate, obvious attempt at framing up Son of Sam as a lone killer that it's almost in and of itself sufficient case to dismiss the possibility altogether. I mean, I had already read Programmed to Kill so that was my bias anyway, but check out that scene (s2e1, I think?) and tell me something doesn't stink. Netflix is heavily involved in consent-making. This is not contradicted, really, by the documentary you're referencing here since the intended audiences are quite different. And also it's not a hard rule - the documentary about Brazil, The Edge of Democracy, actually makes a favorable case for Dilma which is rather surprising given what we can assume about the State Dept's own preferred narrative. But then you have stuff like that Ukrainian document and the god-awful AOC documentary.

Ah I've gone off on a tangent. Anyway read Programmed to Kill if you're interested in a not very well sourced narrative about Son of Sam being multiple persons.

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005



ohh la la

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Reminds me of how John Wayne Gacy most likely had accomplices, with one murder happening while he was provably out of state and another requiring an improbably tight timeline where he would have had to speed back from a trip and kill immediately upon getting home for the timeline to work.

And then how one of the high schoolers who worked for his contracting business went on to be one of the Chicago Rippers.

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


Perry Mason Jar posted:

Amazing graph. L. Ron Hubbard is a particular sort of Epstein-like octopus-being. Infinite rabbit-holes with him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White
Scientologists put 5000 spies into government agencies in the 70s in 30 countries in order to destroy documents related to scientology. Subsequent investigations found evidence they were planning to frame somebody for a hit and run and frame somebody else for bomb threats.
The government sentenced 11 of them to 6 month to 5 year sentences lol. Pretty suspicious imho

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


Another Bill posted:

The Sons of Sam documentary on Netflix goes into a bunch of this stuff. It's pretty wild, I had a few crack-pings watching it.

They stretch the material imo but the stuff about his neighbors being literal Sons of Sam and the mysterious deaths of people around the alleged process church chapter in their part of Long Island is quite something. I think they make a great case at the very least that Berkowitz didn't act alone / didn't do all the killings himself.

The process church is very weird and definitely seems like a 50s/60s style government-connected cult.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Azathoth posted:

Reminds me of how John Wayne Gacy most likely had accomplices, with one murder happening while he was provably out of state and another requiring an improbably tight timeline where he would have had to speed back from a trip and kill immediately upon getting home for the timeline to work.

And then how one of the high schoolers who worked for his contracting business went on to be one of the Chicago Rippers.

Same thing regarding T. Bundy. This is, again, the thrust of McGowan's book so Gacy and Bundy as not-sole-perps are in it too.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

rip Norm Macdonald. Made one too many jokes about the wrong First Lady I guess.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
Read whole thread:

https://twitter.com/mmabeuf/status/1436934971063681026?s=20

Don't click through to other threads/links while you do it, you'll get distracted. Go back to them.

https://twitter.com/mindgomes/status/1437096212117737482?s=20

Worth thinking about

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/fingerishatroc1/status/1436939787919757312

lol

nut
Jul 30, 2019

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave


:crackping:

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




multistability posted:

Completely agree with all of this. The American healthcare system disproportionately kills Black people, poor people, old people, poor black people, poor old people, and poor old black people at a rate that can only be described as 'malicious'. Basically anyone who isn't useful to capital any more is put through the wood chipper. What happened to black people in ICUs and old people in nursing homes in NY at the start of the pandemic is just another instance of this.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200405/covid-19-daily-ventilator-protocols-questioned-physician-rights

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/928156

Well according to this whistleblower who set up an ICU in NY at the start of the pandemic it didn't necessarily have to be this way. For some reason in New York what they did was put people onto ventilators, cranked the pressure up to 11, and blew their lungs out, killing them. For some reason

also they sent the sick back to nursing homes because the javitt center renovation was nearly done and cuomo didnt want a bunch of old people dying all over it if he let covid patients into the field hospital they build there.
he cut the ribbon earlier this year iirc

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
Yes they also turned away people en masse if they had mild symptoms, they needed to come back with severe symptoms because the hospital was currently overwhelmed with murdered patients.

[deleted content for idsec javits expansion is cursed avoid]

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




got my shots there.
feeling microchipped

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




Perry Mason Jar posted:

Read whole thread:

https://twitter.com/mmabeuf/status/1436934971063681026?s=20

Don't click through to other threads/links while you do it, you'll get distracted. Go back to them.

https://twitter.com/mindgomes/status/1437096212117737482?s=20

Worth thinking about

detente with china preceded so many sweeping changes its hard not to appreciate the thesis.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Real hurthling! posted:

got my shots there.
feeling microchipped

The building's unsafe is all. Avoid it, seriously.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/mmabeuf/status/1436455697219297310?s=20

Marzzle
Dec 1, 2004

Bursting with flavor


:thunk:

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Rand Paul posted:

Do you have any more information on this? I couldn’t find anything in a search.

Milton Alimadi wrote a book he based on getting access to the Nytimes archives. Here's a quote

quote:

Consider how the Times reported on the independence movement in Africa. When the newspaper sent two-time Pulitzer prize-winning journalist Homer Bigart to cover decolonization in late 1959, this is what he said, in part, in a letter to his foreign news editor, Emanuel Freedman: “I’m afraid I cannot work up any enthusiasm for the emerging republics. The politicians are either crooks or mystics. Dr. Nkrumah is a Henry Wallace in burnt cork. I vastly prefer the primitive bush people. After all, cannibalism may be the logical antidote to this population explosion everyone talks about.”

quote:

Foreign editor Freedman enjoyed and promoted Bigart’s racist caricaturization of Africans. “This is just a note to say hello and to tell you how much your peerless prose from the badlands is continuing to give us and your public,” Freedman wrote to Bigart, in a letter dated March 4, 1960. “By now you must be American journalism’s leading expert on sorcery, witchcraft, cannibalism and all the other exotic phenomena indigenous to darkest Africa. All this and nationalism too! Where else but in The New York Times can you get all this for a nickel?”

https://face2faceafrica.com/article/ooga-booga-journalism-how-not-to-write-about-africa

Freedman was a CIA stooge. Here's a Google book link to him acting on their behalf to squash pro independent Guatemala news coverage in favor of building support for a coup, in the book the Fifties.

https://books.google.com/books?id=O...ChMQ6AF6BAgrEAI

E:

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
Crack ping bonanza ahead, Twitter megathread thread:

https://twitter.com/DeemTheDreem/status/1192584983023669248?s=20

Crack ping your friends! Crack ping your families!

staticman
Sep 12, 2008

Be gay
Death to America
Suck my dick Israel
Mess with Texas
and remember to lmao
Oh hey I almost forgot cops and klan are child-torturing pedophile savages who go hand in hand
https://twitter.com/Chinchillazllla/status/1275694559595544577

Source4Leko
Jul 25, 2007


Dinosaur Gum

staticman posted:

Oh hey I almost forgot cops and klan are child-torturing pedophile savages who go hand in hand
https://twitter.com/Chinchillazllla/status/1275694559595544577

Yea that was some wild poo poo that got absolutely buried.

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
That black hammer group is a full on cult it sounds like

https://twitter.com/pleasebenormaI/status/1437942396533235715?s=19

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008


domestic...gladius?

Horizon Burning
Oct 23, 2019
:discourse:

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Crack ping bonanza ahead, Twitter megathread thread:

https://twitter.com/DeemTheDreem/status/1192584983023669248?s=20

Crack ping your friends! Crack ping your families!

lol the stuff that led me to about 'heroin chic' crrrack ping

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

bell hooks is CIA is a good one, I'm down with it. wasn't there something about her being lovely and abusive to her children too or did I make that up?

nut
Jul 30, 2019

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Crack ping bonanza ahead, Twitter megathread thread:

https://twitter.com/DeemTheDreem/status/1192584983023669248?s=20

Crack ping your friends! Crack ping your families!

this is too much plz

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?
James Tiptree Jr aka Alice Sheldon was CIA but that's never been secret. Just hosed up that one of the greatest SF new wave writers was a spook

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

Jetto Jagga posted:

James Tiptree Jr aka Alice Sheldon was CIA but that's never been secret. Just hosed up that one of the greatest SF new wave writers was a spook

Philip K Dick wrote a letter to the FBI whining about communists infiltrating sci fi publishing and what a threat it was. in the same he said Stanislaw Lem was probably not a person but rather a committee of communists

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Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




i wish twitter didnt loving suck
i'll never log in jack.

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