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Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.


I still can't believe another fan of Jorp started a separate thread because they were either too dumb or chicken to post in here.

Guess they really should have gotten their house in order first, stop dirtying up the forums with unneeded threads.

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runnypoops
Mar 26, 2016

been there. done that. prove yourself to me.
this guys gotta a dumb voice and even dumber ideas

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon

Dongsturm posted:

Well, that escalated quickly. Were you traumatised by an incel? Show us on the doll where the incel didn't touch you.

Incels to sad dudes are like ISIS to muslims at large, you don't have to hand it to them my dude

Pac and Cheese
Oct 29, 2010

gotta walk fast

Benny Harvey
Nov 24, 2012

Dongsturm posted:

I'm not so sure about the asocial tendencies. Appreciating company is a skill that has to be learned. If you grow up in a healthy supportive family you get it for free, and probably can't believe that some people can't do it.

I'm guessing a lot of incels didn't get that experience, so they gather together to socialise about the fact they can't socialise.

That doesn't make them suck any less as people, but they can't work on themselves because they were never taught the skill of working on themselves.

And some fall into into PUA scene, which is people trying to work on themselves, but utterly incompetently.

What is the difference between asocial tendencies and not growing up in a healthy supportive family (and what exactly do you mean by this - parents taking an active interest in kids hobbies and ambitions, the opposite of childhood emotional neglect, etc)?

Dongsturm
Feb 17, 2012

Benny Harvey posted:

What is the difference between asocial tendencies and not growing up in a healthy supportive family (and what exactly do you mean by this - parents taking an active interest in kids hobbies and ambitions, the opposite of childhood emotional neglect, etc)?

From your examples I thought you were talking about genetic tendencies - autism is genetic, and depression and anxiety have strong genetic components. But incels are voluntarily joining a (horrible) community, so they are not asocial, they are just social rejects. If they were really asocial, they wouldn't be talking to each other online.

The cure for this is pretty much what you wrote. Good role models, parents who guide their development and don't neglect them. Or draft them into the army, they'll learn how to stand up straight and clean their rooms.

Incels were a thing before the internet, just with a different name. I know a couple, they grew up before the internet but were saying all the poo poo that I now hear online from the incel community. These guys are very social, but still blame women for the crap in their lives, even though there are no women in their lives. And they all had hosed childhoods, so that's where I'm putting the blame.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Said before, but like the default parenting for millennials is parents who spent every non-working moment sitting on the couch watching TV, and react to their children's cries for help with either blank stares or angry screaming when consumer electronics won't shut them up. We're looking at the result of that now.

Martman
Nov 20, 2006

imo millenials are probably better at being parents than older generations

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I don't argue but more because the bar is so, so low.

Workaday Wizard
Oct 23, 2009

by Pragmatica

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Said before, but like the default parenting for millennials is parents who spent every non-working moment sitting on the couch watching TV, and react to their children's cries for help with either blank stares or angry screaming when consumer electronics won't shut them up. We're looking at the result of that now.

Overworked and underpaid. No energy to take care of a dog much less a kid. Capitalism is raising psychopaths.

Little wonder why incels and alt right dipshits exist. Kids can’t find people to listen to them.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Workaday Wizard posted:

Overworked and underpaid. No energy to take care of a dog much less a kid. Capitalism is raising psychopaths.

Little wonder why incels and alt right dipshits exist. Kids can’t find people to listen to them.

I mean, said before itt, but picture the dogs who spend all day barking every moment their owners aren't paying attention to them and they're going stir-crazy in suburban backyards, and picture the human equivalents of them. Indoor feral children.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Just in case there were any fellow Canadians ITT who weren't sure who NOT to vote for...

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1437644479230513154?s=19

kntfkr
Feb 11, 2019

GOOSE FUCKER
Yeah, he got famous from a viral Quora post.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Said before, but like the default parenting for millennials is parents who spent every non-working moment sitting on the couch watching TV, and react to their children's cries for help with either blank stares or angry screaming when consumer electronics won't shut them up. We're looking at the result of that now.

hopefully parents raised on Nintendo will be more engaged

Batterypowered7
Aug 8, 2009

The mist that chills you keeps me warm.

Rutibex posted:

hopefully parents raised on Nintendo will be more engaged

What did I do to you for you to attack me in such a vicious manner?

MakaVillian
Aug 16, 2003

Well, in Whoville they say - that his tiny hands grew three sizes that day.

Rutibex posted:

hopefully parents raised on Nintendo will be more engaged

Obviously. You gotta grind until your kid is level 50 or what's the point.

Mauser
Dec 16, 2003

How did I even get here, son?!
Do canadians actually say bloody like this idiot does?

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Mauser posted:

Do canadians actually say bloody like this idiot does?

yes :negative:

Call Your Grandma
Jan 17, 2010

The only Canadian I've ever heard say "bloody" in the flesh was a prof I had that grew up in Scotland. It's just the standard British affectations = smart belief that rubes know and love.

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Every time I see a bump in this dead gay thread I wholeheartedly hope that the beef Kermit is finally dead, alas

MakaVillian
Aug 16, 2003

Well, in Whoville they say - that his tiny hands grew three sizes that day.

Mauser posted:

Do canadians actually say bloody like this idiot does?

No.... Maybe some rural Ontarians who long for the days of the British Empire

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Call Your Grandma posted:

The only Canadian I've ever heard say "bloody" in the flesh was a prof I had that grew up in Scotland. It's just the standard British affectations = smart belief that rubes know and love.

MakaVillian posted:

No.... Maybe some rural Ontarians who long for the days of the British Empire

i guess i forgot my grandparents are from england. they moved to canada back in the day when it was all one big empire

Nobody Interesting
Mar 29, 2013

One way, dead end... Street signs are such fitting metaphors for the human condition.


kntfkr posted:

Yeah, he got famous from a viral Quora post.

I'm an immigrant to Canada.

Is this uh... is this true?

kntfkr
Feb 11, 2019

GOOSE FUCKER

Nobody Interesting posted:

I'm an immigrant to Canada.

Is this uh... is this true?

Yeah, little buddy. I watched a video where he explained his fame and he had published some book called Maps of Meaning or something, was teaching at Devry or Harvard or McGill or ITT Tech and he had a quora account and someone asked "What's the best way to live your life?" and he wrote an effort post in list format and it got like a billion views and then a publisher OK'ed him expanding it into a book and it became a best seller.

ben shapino
Nov 22, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 23 hours!

Mauser posted:

Do canadians actually say bloody like this idiot does?

no

Nobody Interesting
Mar 29, 2013

One way, dead end... Street signs are such fitting metaphors for the human condition.


kntfkr posted:

Yeah, little buddy. I watched a video where he explained his fame and he had published some book called Maps of Meaning or something, was teaching at Devry or Harvard or McGill or ITT Tech and he had a quora account and someone asked "What's the best way to live your life?" and he wrote an effort post in list format and it got like a billion views and then a publisher OK'ed him expanding it into a book and it became a best seller.

oh lmao I'm dumb, I really thought this was in reference to Maxime Bernier. Ignore me, uh, eh?

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.


Nobody Interesting posted:

oh lmao I'm dumb, I really thought this was in reference to Maxime Bernier. Ignore me, uh, eh?

I was doing that already!

mojo1701a
Oct 9, 2008

Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth

Mauser posted:

Do canadians actually say bloody like this idiot does?

I want to say it's an affectation on Peterson's part because most don't, but I've heard a few that do say things because they were raised in the eras of Canada still being part of the Empire (despite technical self-rule) so it may be an actual habit for him.

It still makes him sound like a right proper bell-end.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Mauser posted:

Do canadians actually say bloody like this idiot does?

I just figured fake britishisms came as part of the territory for his whole anhedonic Lord Haw-Haw schtick, it's frankly a relief he doesn't wear a top hat

Call Your Grandma
Jan 17, 2010

true to form of being a massive hypocrite, he never actually drank water with his beef and secretly stocks his fridge full of Irn Bru

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR

mojo1701a posted:

I want to say it's an affectation on Peterson's part because most don't, but I've heard a few that do say things because they were raised in the eras of Canada still being part of the Empire (despite technical self-rule) so it may be an actual habit for him.

It still makes him sound like a right proper bell-end.

e as got a loicense te say 'bloody', e does

mojo1701a
Oct 9, 2008

Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth

Mister Speaker posted:

e as got a loicense te say 'bloody', e does

I suppose if you have a Victorian attitude towards gender, then it's OK.

Mr.Acula
May 10, 2009

Billions and billions of fat clouds

My big gay American dad says bloody hth

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

dr.acula posted:

My big gay American dad says bloody hth

That show got even weirder

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

Geordie La Forge Peterson

DreadUnknown
Nov 4, 2020

Bird is the word.
poo poo now I want to see Kermit the Pog here wear a top hat, thanks.

Nice Tuckpointing!
Nov 3, 2005

North Americans saying bloody or wanker or arse is like Brits saying dude or rear end or hella, or like me ever reading any drat bloody bit of his new book after wasting my time with the first one. Thanks for the recommendation, former friend Mike.

Poohs Packin
Jan 13, 2019

The only people in America I've heard say "bloody" are ultra-nerds being performatively angry about anime or the price of pizza rolls

Nice Tuckpointing!
Nov 3, 2005


from the article posted:

Though the keepers of our tradition know that classical music is a priceless inheritance, fear paralyzes them as that legacy goes down. Among the leaders contacted for this article were conductors Daniel Barenboim, Dudamel himself, Riccardo Muti, Franz Welser-Möst, Valery Gergiev, Gianandrea Noseda, Charles Dutoit, James Conlon, Neeme Järvi, and Masaaki Suzuki; pianists András Schiff, Mitsuko Uchida, Lang Lang, Evgeny Kissin, and Richard Goode; singers Anna Netrebko, James Morris, and Angel Blue; and composers John Harbison and Wynton Marsalis. All either declined to comment or ignored the query.

Company managers were just as tight-lipped. The Met’s Peter Gelb refused an interview; the Philadelphia Orchestra’s Matías Tarnopolsky, Jonathan Martin of the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra, and Jeff Alexander of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra were also unwilling to speak. Simon Woods’s assistant said that he was caught up in moving to New Jersey and thus unavailable. (A source said that he had been in New Jersey for months already.)

loving beautiful. She's butthurt over Daniel Barenboim and Wynton Marsalis not getting suckered into giving quotes she can mine about them darn wokie-pokie cultural marxists ruining classical music. Next she's going to ring up Paul McCartney or Jimmy Page so she can try to rope them into an article about soyboi snowflakes ruining rock music.

Perhaps they did a search of some her writing. Such as:

quote:


Ripping Off the Veil
A British classical music organization exposes the sordid business behind all racial-preference regimes.
September 19th, 2021

For the Love of Music
Conductor and violinist John McLaughlin Williams’s work constitutes a profound rebuttal to the constricting vision of today’s race arbiters.
August 12th, 2021

Down a Black Hole
Even the hard sciences are no longer immune to the ongoing racial hysteria.
June 21st, 2021

Resisting Racial Demagoguery
Tulsa Opera stands up to composer Daniel Bernard Roumain—and its concert commemorating the city’s massacre shines in his absence.
June 10th, 2021

The Revolution Comes to Juilliard
Racial hysteria is consuming the school; unchecked, it will consume the arts.
May 23rd, 2021

Beside the Pointe
Diversity and bias obsessions come for Swan Lake.
December 16th, 2020

The Bias Fallacy
It’s the achievement gap, not systemic racism, that explains demographic disparities in education and employment.
December 6th, 2020

A Grim—and Ignored—Body Count
The problem in the American inner city is not racism but drive-by shootings of blacks by other blacks.
November 2nd, 2020

Against Fear
President Trump’s handling of his coronavirus diagnosis models positive masculinity—rational and unbowed.
October 5th, 2020

Conformity to a Lie
Academia’s monolithic belief in systemic racism will further erode American institutions and the principles of our civilization.
August 16th, 2020

Darkness Falls
The collapse of the rule of law across the country, intensified by Antifa radicals, is terrifying.
May 31st, 2020

Should Identity Politics Dictate Vaccine Research?
Even amid a pandemic, federal science agencies continue to fund anti-scientific diversity initiatives.
May 5th, 2020

Ethnic Studies 101: Playing the Victim
An aggrieved Harvard professor exemplifies how a fast-rising academic field injects paranoia and hatred into American culture.
January 16th, 2020

A Glorious Refuge from Identity Politics
The Manhattan School of Music offers a rediscovered comic gem.
December 27th, 2019

The Cost of America’s Cultural Revolution
Social-justice crusaders are stripping the future of everything that gives human life meaning: beauty, sublimity, and wit.
December 9th, 2019

Finding Hope At the Concert Hall
A recent recital at Lincoln Center was a victory over the tribalism of identity politics.
November 21st, 2019

The College Bureaucracy That Never Shrinks
Like most other prestigious universities, Georgetown is forever expanding its costly and corrosive diversity initiatives.
May 30th, 2019

Opportunistic Outrage
Anger about comparatively rare white-on-black hate lets advocates ignore a far more pervasive reality.
January 7th, 2019

And my favorite gem from the tweeted article:

quote:


The [black] composers enjoying the greatest prominence at the moment are Joseph Bologne, Chevalier de Saint-Georges (1745–99), and Florence Price (1887–1953). The hyperbole surrounding their works is astonishing.

Bologne was the son of a Guadeloupe plantation owner and a slave; Joseph spent most of his life in Parisian court society. Throughout his twenties, he enjoyed an annuity from his father’s estate, but he has not been canceled for having profited from slave labor.

Bologne is commonly referred to today as the “black Mozart.” That comparison is laughable enough in its own right. Bologne is fluent in the Classical style, with a pleasing capacity for forward momentum. His works are recognizable on the radio for their simple construction. They possess none of the melodic gift and emotional depths that have led the world’s greatest composers to bow down before Mozart in dazed and loving gratitude.

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Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Son of a plantation owner and a slave? Hmm, I wonder what happened there... :thunk:

Also lol that classical has to be complicated to be enjoyable.

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