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Volmarias posted:Post the best excerpts from the card It's a small company, so less than 10 people in-office. Only two people signed it (both on my team). I assume what happened is everyone thought someone else was doing it then suddenly my last day was nigh and the two on my team realised nobody had done anything so they organised it, but it was too late to hand it round the office. ... At least, thats what I tell myself. Maybe I'm actually a bad tester and/or profoundly unlikeable.  (I hope not! I try really hard  )The solutions architect wrote something about how I probably have a "logic bug" because I'm leaving as the company is turning a corner. I think he was trying to be funny, but the way it was worded sounded a lot like "just you wait, you'll be sorry you left!". froglet fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Sep 15, 2021 |
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when I left my last job everyone just wrote that they were gonna miss my dog, which is understandablequote:The solutions architect wrote something about how I probably have a "logic bug" because I'm leaving as the company is turning a corner. what a loving dork-rear end thing to write
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Sep 15, 2021 04:50
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froglet posted:It's a small company, so less than 10 people in-office. Only two people signed it (both on my team). I assume what happened is everyone thought someone else was doing it then suddenly my last day was nigh and the two on my team realised nobody had done anything so they organised it, but it was too late to hand it round the office. That sounds like a nerd trying to be nice. I wouldn't take it the wrong way. In development news. I spent more time today mocking data for testing than I did working on my ticket lol
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Sep 15, 2021 05:28
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RC Cola posted:That sounds like a nerd trying to be nice. I wouldn't take it the wrong way. Yeah, I agree that he was probably just very stupidly trying to say that he regrets that you're leaving. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he's got xkcd stuff tackled up on his desk.
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Sep 15, 2021 07:40
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prom candy posted:when I left my last job everyone just wrote that they were gonna miss my dog, which is understandable Yeah that's fair. You could be the most likeable person in the world and you'd still lose to the most basic of pooch.
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Sep 15, 2021 11:13
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This is going to be the second job I’ve quit because they give me performance feedback like “well yeah everyone you work with said you were great and you’re doing a lot of important work, buuuut we kinda just don’t believe them. No we can’t give any constructive advice, your goals need to come from YOU! Also, you asked for help once when half your team quit, and we thought that was whiny and negative. Try being more upbeat!”
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Sep 15, 2021 14:14
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:This is going to be the second job I’ve quit because they give me performance feedback like “well yeah everyone you work with said you were great and you’re doing a lot of important work, buuuut we kinda just don’t believe them. No we can’t give any constructive advice, your goals need to come from YOU! Also, you asked for help once when half your team quit, and we thought that was whiny and negative. Try being more upbeat!” At least, and I know its awful to say, but at least it's not: "You're amazing but I can only give you fulfill requirements because otherwise you'd get a raise"
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Sep 15, 2021 14:18
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This is like the 4th job I’ve moved on from. This time the engineers were sad to see me go, management was really sad, and my cat couldn’t give less of a poo poo.
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Sep 15, 2021 14:23
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Pollyanna posted:This is like the 4th job I’ve moved on from
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Sep 15, 2021 14:50
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Sagacity posted:What was wrong this time I’m clearly such a terrible engineer that I’ve made the horrible mistake of getting hired at a FAANG.
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Sep 15, 2021 15:20
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champagne posting posted:At least, and I know its awful to say, but at least it's not: "You're amazing but I can only give you fulfill requirements because otherwise you'd get a raise" Sort of sounds like they did though.
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Sep 15, 2021 16:08
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:This is going to be the second job I’ve quit because they give me performance feedback like “well yeah everyone you work with said you were great and you’re doing a lot of important work, buuuut we kinda just don’t believe them. No we can’t give any constructive advice, your goals need to come from YOU! Also, you asked for help once when half your team quit, and we thought that was whiny and negative. Try being more upbeat!” I get the exact opposite and I hate it. My company's review system is tied into our raise/bonus system. Which is fine, except without basically nailing everything you don't even get an inflation bump, let alone any kind of bonus. Since most managers don't want to gently caress their teams out of money, this leads to everyone getting near perfect scores all of the time. This is also really annoying for me since I have direct reports and I'd love to be able to like reward actually over performance rather than basically having to pretend everyone is this amazing A++++ developer just so they get their yearly bump.
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Sep 15, 2021 16:16
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Pollyanna posted:I’m clearly such a terrible engineer that I’ve made the horrible mistake of getting hired at a FAANG. I missed pollyanna "my workplace is a dumpster fire" posts, I look forward to their return
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Sep 15, 2021 18:53
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ChickenWing posted:I missed pollyanna "my workplace is a dumpster fire" posts, I look forward to their return They'll probably be back pretty soon. FAANG is just a higher paid dumpster fires.
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Sep 15, 2021 19:57
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leper khan posted:They'll probably be back pretty soon. FAANG is just a higher paid dumpster fires. At least FAANG moves you from "they don't pay me enough to deal with this bullshit" to "they pay me enough to deal with this bullshit"
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Sep 15, 2021 20:06
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Jose Valasquez posted:At least FAANG moves you from "they don't pay me enough to deal with this bullshit" to "they pay me enough to deal with this bullshit" Very much this. There's still bullshit, you just phase out some of the extremely low quality bullshit and bring in some A tier bullshit to replace it.
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Sep 15, 2021 20:45
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Volmarias posted:Very much this. There's still bullshit, you just phase out some of the extremely low quality bullshit and bring in some A tier bullshit to replace it. Really it's just that we spend a lot more time measuring and quantifying the bullshit so we can use math to argue "I'm not touching the bullshit."
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Sep 15, 2021 21:14
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Jose Valasquez posted:At least FAANG moves you from "they don't pay me enough to deal with this bullshit" to "they pay me enough to deal with this bullshit" And then after a while you move on to "turns out you can't pay me to deal with this bullshit".
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Sep 15, 2021 21:15
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Plorkyeran posted:And then after a while you move on to "turns out you can't pay me to deal with this bullshit". That happens after the RSU's vest.
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Sep 15, 2021 22:24
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captkirk posted:So we can use math to argue lol if you think the decisions aren't still made on the "gut feeling" level no matter how "data driven" the company says it is.
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Sep 16, 2021 00:20
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Just decide what to want to do and then go get the data that supports it! How hard is that?!
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Sep 16, 2021 02:21
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Xguard86 posted:Just decide what to want to do and then go get the data that supports it! How hard is that?! I'm literally going to be doing a post hoc analysis and justification exercise next week. 
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Sep 16, 2021 04:28
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I career swapped from manufacturing to development a couple years ago and I was able to get away from a lot, but it seems like I will never get away from consultants who love to talk about old japanese men.
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Sep 16, 2021 13:56
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Volmarias posted:lol if you think the decisions aren't still made on the "gut feeling" level no matter how "data driven" the company says it is. I said math to argue, not math to decide. The process of writing and defending a one pager is very different from the process of making the decisions.
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Sep 16, 2021 14:06
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leper khan posted:I'm literally going to be doing a post hoc analysis and justification exercise next week. Sounds like you're a real go-getter with upper management written all over you!
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Sep 16, 2021 15:26
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Xguard86 posted:Sounds like you're a real go-getter with upper management written all over you! I hosed up here being too competent. Direct manager and +1 both trying to push me into higher level IC roles instead of management. So I'll probably just end up as advisor to upper management. 
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Sep 16, 2021 17:06
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leper khan posted:I hosed up here being too competent. Direct manager and +1 both trying to push me into higher level IC roles instead of management. I dunno. You could get paid a lot to be ignored and kept on because you ended up being right, but they'll just ignore you again next time anyways.
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:I dunno. You could get paid a lot to be ignored and kept on because you ended up being right, but they'll just ignore you again next time anyways. That's essentially my entire career.
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a dingus posted:I career swapped from manufacturing to development a couple years ago and I was able to get away from a lot, but it seems like I will never get away from consultants who love to talk about old japanese men. Are you me
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Yah there's a pretty nice niche being a well compensated IC that works directly for mgmt. I wouldn't dismiss it. A lot people like that can also step right into upper mgmt roles too if they want. Sometimes not the best thing when that happens but...
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Sep 16, 2021 20:11
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RC Cola posted:Are you me Taiichi ohno blah blah blah Toyota, waste blah blah just in time, agile *consultant fellates japanese man* followed by your organization cargo-culting some stupid system and consultants cashing a big pay check.
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Sep 16, 2021 21:04
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"let's run our company like toyota" "ok great, toyota is extremely careful with adding new features and often several years behind their competitors because they value reliability." "no, not like that"
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The toyota stuff actually rules but the cottage industry that has grown up around it sucks complete rear end. Kanban is the only workflow system that even kind of works for ops. Nobody can read about Kaizen and be like "I disagree with this fundamentally". Absolutely do not hire consultants for "implementing" either.
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Sep 16, 2021 21:37
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prom candy posted:"let's run our company like toyota" Jokes on them (us?) Because a lot of places deliver slowly -and- with poor quality.
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Sep 16, 2021 21:41
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12 rats tied together posted:Absolutely do not hire consultants 
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Sep 17, 2021 07:47
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12 rats tied together posted:Absolutely do not hire consultants for "implementing" either. this is amazing advice until corporate mandates all developers must be consultants. Without doxxing myself too much I can safely say this is prevalent in at least one international pharmaceutical giant It makes working there weird, I mean I was a consultant so it wasn't too bad, but you could see the few actual employees struggling because the place was poo poo to work at so consultants came and went with amazing speed.
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Sep 17, 2021 08:58
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Developers have very varied definitions of what Kanban is and what makes it good. I would have to see the specific implementation to know whether I thought it was beneficial.
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Sep 17, 2021 09:09
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It's agileish but with less of the extra crap added on than scrum has. So rather than 'good' it's just less bad.
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Sep 17, 2021 11:36
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Jose Valasquez posted:At least FAANG moves you from "they don't pay me enough to deal with this bullshit" to "they pay me enough to deal with this bullshit" Haha, yeah, exactly. It's still gonna be insane, I'm just gonna complain less.
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We do "kanban" at my work which means we reorder stories frequently and also yeah we don't have all the meetings which is loving great.
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