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Ain’t nothing wrong with sappy and sentimental
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Sep 16, 2021 23:46
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bows1 posted:same with Thelma for Scorcese, hes used her for every movie hes done. Theres a big drop in quality in Tarantino’s films after she died
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Sep 17, 2021 00:16
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loving hell this looks phenomenal
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Sep 17, 2021 00:36
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I never get around to seeing Del Toro's movies for some reason or another but I will make a point to check this out, drat.
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Sep 17, 2021 00:46
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You will believe a minority girl can fall in love with her brother’s killer if he’s a handsome white guy.
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Sep 17, 2021 01:23
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Is he beast or man? Man or beast? Beast or man?
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Sep 17, 2021 02:17
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ruddiger posted:You will believe a minority girl can fall in love with her brother’s killer if he’s a handsome white guy. This is a bit of a trivialization of the plot of this very famous story but go off
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Sep 17, 2021 02:20
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the_american_dream posted:Is he beast or man? Man or beast? Beast or man? That's a mean way to talk about Ron Perlman.
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Sep 17, 2021 02:22
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muscles like this! posted:That's a mean way to talk about Ron Perlman. Lol, drat.
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Sep 17, 2021 02:28
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muscles like this! posted:That's a mean way to talk about Ron Perlman. But fair.
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Sep 17, 2021 02:39
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Jewmanji posted:I never get around to seeing Del Toro's movies for some reason or another but I will make a point to check this out, drat. Yo what the gently caress
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Sep 17, 2021 03:09
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Shageletic posted:Spielberg's WotW is not an especially good movie. But goddamn its amazing on a scene to scene basis. So many amazing moments and thrill rides. I should go back and watch that version again, I remember liking it a lot. The conflict with the son wanting to run off to fight, the crowd going berserk at the ferry trying to take the van, the various Martian attacks, all that stuff I think worked pretty well.
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Sep 17, 2021 03:27
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I remember watching Spielberg's WotW in theaters and enjoying it. That horn was nuts. I explicitly recall it shaking the seats lol; that was awesome. I watched it again maybe a year or so ago, and despite the schmaltz, it holds up well enough imo. Great visuals and sound plus Tom Cruise running is a good time.
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Sep 17, 2021 03:33
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Yeah WOTW is really good and I agree, the horn in theatres was chilling. I still think about that tripod cresting the hill and honking while people are packed at the dock when I think about scenes that freaked me the gently caress out.
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Sep 17, 2021 03:53
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The most striking part of the modern War of the Worlds movie for me was the army charging over the crest in their humvess and tanks, then nothing for a bit, then a very reduced number coming back over the crest on fire. Visually stating "Nothing humanity can do, you're all going to die".
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Sep 17, 2021 03:55
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Yo what the gently caress I’m not proud of it ok 
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Sep 17, 2021 04:02
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PeterCat posted:Well first and foremost I was really into dinosaurs when I was growing up and could not figure out why they had this weird velociraptor instead of a Deinonychus. I suppose velociraptor is the name of an actual dinosaur but it really felt like a marketing choice. The book is definitely better than the movie, but these complaints are very pedantic and lame.
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Sep 17, 2021 04:12
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Dillbag posted:Spielberg and Lucas owe their careers to their editors because if it wasn't for Verna Fields and Marcia Lucas, both directors would very likely be one and dones, IMHO. What is this based on? I know less about Spielberg, but I know for Lucas he did oversee the editing of A New Hope so it seems a bit silly to perpetuate the idea that Marcia Lucas somehow salvaged his movie without his knowledge.
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Sep 17, 2021 04:16
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Dillbag posted:Spielberg and Lucas owe their careers to their editors because if it wasn't for Verna Fields and Marcia Lucas, both directors would very likely be one and dones, IMHO. Oh yeah, someone who over a 40 year span has been nominated for Best Director 7 times and won twice and who has been nominated for Best Picture 10 times and one once is totally overrated.
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Roth posted:What is this based on? I know less about Spielberg, but I know for Lucas he did oversee the editing of A New Hope so it seems a bit silly to perpetuate the idea that Marcia Lucas somehow salvaged his movie without his knowledge. Charlz Guybon posted:Oh yeah, someone who over a 40 year span has been nominated for Best Director 7 times and won twice and who has been nominated for Best Picture 10 times and one once is totally overrated. I think y'all are misreading that statement. Any director worth their salt will tell you how good their editor is and how many times they've saved a scene or the whole film. Editing is essential to the storytelling process. They are not just a hand for the director. They are story tellers themselves and know how to finesse a story. I bring it up all the time but real the Paul Hirsch oral history "A Long Time Ago, In a Cutting Room Far Far Away..." https://www.amazon.com/Long-Time-Cutting-Room-Away-ebook/dp/B07QNDVLX3 It's a great fun read, but you'll get a sense over and over again how many times an editor (not just him) can save something. It's why great directors will latch onto a great editor when they find one!
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Sep 17, 2021 04:24
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Yeah I didn't mean to insinuate that either guy couldn't direct (well... maybe I have opinions about Lucas...), but if they didn't have great editors on their breakout films they would never have become the juggernauts that they are.
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Sep 17, 2021 05:03
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Has anybody else seen the Licorice Pizza trailer yet? They showed it at a screening at my local theater today.
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Vandar posted:I would love for a proper adaptation of the Tripods trilogy to be made. You're not counting the BBC series, then?
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Sep 17, 2021 07:48
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BonoMan posted:I think y'all are misreading that statement. Any director worth their salt will tell you how good their editor is and how many times they've saved a scene or the whole film. Editing is essential to the storytelling process. They are not just a hand for the director. They are story tellers themselves and know how to finesse a story. I picked this up earlier this week, it's a great read, highly recommended. e: And filmmaking is a team effort, auteur theory be damned. DanTheFryingPan fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Sep 17, 2021 |
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Sep 17, 2021 08:51
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This looks very interesting.
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Charlz Guybon posted:The book is definitely better than the movie As a huge fan of the book, this is an insane statement.
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Roth posted:What is this based on? I know less about Spielberg, but I know for Lucas he did oversee the editing of A New Hope so it seems a bit silly to perpetuate the idea that Marcia Lucas somehow salvaged his movie without his knowledge. who said it was without his knowledge?
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Jedit posted:You're not counting the BBC series, then? Where’s our City of Gold and Lead? No matter how good it was (for the time) it was unfinished.
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Sep 17, 2021 14:15
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:who said it was without his knowledge? Yeah that was weird. Also I strongly encourage listening to the non-fiction radio drama Blockbuster. Season 1 is about Spielberg and Lucas' starts and the editing portion plays a big role. It's a little unsettling at first, hearing these sort of radio-play actors do it. But it becomes comfortable really fast and is really fun and informative! Season 2 is about James Cameron and is fun too. Anyway, new (to me) trailers! The Humans from A24: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp3Whb77eXc Looks amazing and heart wrenching. Also from A24: C'Mon C'Mon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mzushAOM88
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Sep 17, 2021 14:43
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I don’t think anyone is unaware that editing plays a huge role or that directors do not make movies by themselves, but you can make the same statement about their success relative to so many other facets of their early films: performances, special effects, score, etc. It’s not any kind of interesting insight to say that editing helped make those films successful, of course it did, that’s true of literally any film. Why Spielberg and Lucas are being singled out for it is baffling.
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Colonel Whitey posted:I don’t think anyone is unaware that editing plays a huge role or that directors do not make movies by themselves, but you can make the same statement about their success relative to so many other facets of their early films: performances, special effects, score, etc. It’s not any kind of interesting insight to say that editing helped make those films successful, of course it did, that’s true of literally any film. Why Spielberg and Lucas are being singled out for it is baffling. Just because we were talking about them anyway. The editing talk grew out of talking about them, not the other way around. But also they have very famous stories of editing saving their films. Star Wars was a near disaster until Marcia stepped in. And I still think you're downplaying editors. Like it's just another cog in the group machine. They have a closer relationship to the director and the direct success of a film more than any other thing you mention I'd wager. Good editors have a *huge* influence on the narrative of a film. That's why folks are talking about it. The general perception is that it's just someone running an Avid and helping the director select and place shots, and I think they'd have their mind blown at how much a good editor creates the story. How much a director's initial vision changes once their editor gets in the bay. So much stuff is shifted around... scenes meant for ACT 3 all of a sudden solve a problem in ACT 1, etc. Just things like that. I think that *is* an interesting viewpoint that many people aren't aware of so it's fun to share. BonoMan fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Sep 17, 2021 |
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This conversation started because someone said Spielberg and Lucas would be nobodies if it weren’t for their editors which is true in a sense of any filmmaker but also downplays those directors’ talents to an insane degree and is the wrong way to frame a discussion about the importance of editing, if that’s the discussion you want to have.
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Colonel Whitey posted:This conversation started because someone said Spielberg and Lucas would be nobodies if it weren’t for their editors which is true in a sense of any filmmaker but also downplays those directors’ talents to an insane degree and is the wrong way to frame a discussion about the importance of editing, if that’s the discussion you want to have. You asked why they were singled out and it was because we were talking about them already (the trailer to Spielberg's West Side Story had been posted and their catalog discussion had started). edited for clarity: Nobody is framing this like they are talentless hacks that are carried to success by their directors. What they were referring to was the famous stories of being saved by their editors on their breakout hits (Jaws with it's broken shark and no footage and Star Wars was a notorious narrative shitshow before Marcia reworked it all). And if those breakout hits weren't saved, then who knows where their careers would be. They could have never taken off with how fickle that industry can be. Spielberg is obviously very talented. George Lucas is you're quintessential "idea man" but I think he's a terrible director personally. Good conceptual guy though. BonoMan fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Sep 17, 2021 |
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Sep 17, 2021 15:43
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DanTheFryingPan posted:I picked this up earlier this week, it's a great read, highly recommended. There's plenty of auteur writing about how actors, cinematographers, and editors change the mood and play of a film.(Cary Grant vs Jimmy Stewart in Hitchcock movies comes to mind) Auteur theory is less about how X director is solely responsible for the film, but how individual artistry is revealed and evolves when observing a huge body of work by an artist. The big auteurs that Cashiers recognize were all studio filmmakers for the most part. Howard Hawks, Alfred Hitchcock, John Ford, Anthony Mann. John Ford, Howard Hawks, Anthony Mann, all made westerns, often with the same actors or covering similar themes, yet you'll never mistake a Ford Western with a Mann western. Howard Hawks made all type of films, noir, musicals, comedies, adventure films, westerns, yet they all recognizable as Howard Hawks movies, because they recurring themes, preoccupations, styles(the Hawksian woman). It's also true that a bunch of directors seem to believe that auteur theory is about them.
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Sep 17, 2021 15:59
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Charlz Guybon posted:Oh yeah, someone who over a 40 year span has been nominated for Best Director 7 times and won twice and who has been nominated for Best Picture 10 times and one once is totally overrated.
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Sep 17, 2021 16:50
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Marcia Lucas would be considered one of the greatest editors of all time even she had only worked on the Scorsese movies she did, but the whole "Marcia Lucas reworked all of Star Wars which was a total disaster" doesn't actually hold up under much scrutiny.
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Almost Blue posted:Marcia Lucas would be considered one of the greatest editors of all time even she had only worked on the Scorsese movies she did, but the whole "Marcia Lucas reworked all of Star Wars which was a total disaster" doesn't actually hold up under much scrutiny. I mean she didn't rework 100% of it. But every history of it I've heard (granted a lot of it is oral history) all jive with it was a mess and she fixed lots of the very important parts. What refutes that? (Not attacking, I'm just curious) I was basing my judgement on it of Paul Hirsch's memoir, the Blockbuster podcast. Marcia has her own autobiography which I'm going to pick up. Some more info here: https://j-nelson.net/2019/12/how-marcia-lucas-and-smart-editing-saved-star-wars/ Which takes a creative writing approach to analyzing this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEHRNS-Scrs Of course now-a-days everyone changes their retelling of that first screening with Spielberg and DePalma (and I feel like someone else was there but can't remember), but I think it was very clear that it needed a lot of work and I'm not just talking about the missing VFX. BonoMan fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Sep 17, 2021 |
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Marcia Lucas was an editor, and thus probably helped the movie in the same way most editors do. That is their job. The only problem here is that we tend to attribute everything that works in a movie to a director. The cinematographer probably also helped make the film what it was! Ditto John Williams, etc.
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