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Torchlighter posted:I always assumed that Malkuth's floor is built to crumple zone opponents later in the game with its prevalence of burn damage and stuff that works on DOT's. Footfalls fills the same general space as Teadrop in that regard, I would think, albeit more specialised for single targets.
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Yay, I'm included! And yeah I guess I do need that mod for Bishop, none of the default LoR hairstyles really match.
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These guys are pretty much the only ones I did that with, mostly because they looked wrong without their accessories from LobCorp. One Sin's gift being golden in this game just means that Bishop has finally gone Super Saiyan.
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Infinity Gaia posted:Yay, I'm included! And yeah I guess I do need that mod for Bishop, none of the default LoR hairstyles really match. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2320681916 https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2373797876 The hair mods you need to get everyone right. Pretty much everyone else is doable with the default hairs, it's just these ones that got left out because ???
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Holy poo poo, I actually figured out how to beat The Queen of Hatred without using any Urban Nightmare pages. I used Sayo, Jikan and Oscar's key pages, loaded Oscar's up with all of Salvador's passives, and put Battle Ready (draw two pages when scene begins) on all of them. Then I loaded them up with Bleed and Burn attacks, and made sure that there were some page draw and light recovery options in the shelves so that nobody would be too gassed to attack as often as I needed them to (though they still got kind of gassed). After that it was a matter of knowing what pages to clash with most often, and that you can use a page on a die targeted by a mass attack to clash with another attack and still use it on both. Maybe I got lucky, but once I figured out the new strategy I won on the first go. I didn't even submit any pages on the final scene, since I saw that she had six Bleed and four HP. TeeQueue should probably take notes.
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Solitair posted:Holy poo poo, I actually figured out how to beat The Queen of Hatred without using any Urban Nightmare pages. I used Sayo, Jikan and Oscar's key pages, loaded Oscar's up with all of Salvador's passives, and put Battle Ready (draw two pages when scene begins) on all of them. Then I loaded them up with Bleed and Burn attacks, and made sure that there were some page draw and light recovery options in the shelves so that nobody would be too gassed to attack as often as I needed them to (though they still got kind of gassed). After that it was a matter of knowing what pages to clash with most often, and that you can use a page on a die targeted by a mass attack to clash with another attack and still use it on both. Maybe I got lucky, but once I figured out the new strategy I won on the first go. I didn't even submit any pages on the final scene, since I saw that she had six Bleed and four HP. TeeQueue should probably take notes.
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Acerbatus posted:Both of Tiphs first two fights were nerfed because they were way too tight before, though new key pages help too. any "ai frenemy has to kill enemy or you lose" fight is still terrible, however 2 realizations do this and it suuuuuucks e: that said Tiph(and Chesed) probably have my favorite realizations just because you end up helping the abnos work through their issues, it's weirdly heartwarming Yinlock fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Sep 16, 2021 |
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GilliamYaeger posted:I just used three Sayos, works flawlessly every time. No strategy needed. Bleed go brr. For some stupid reason I can't bring myself to use duplicate key pages or combat pages. I can't wait to get Singleton.
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I just recently tried doing it with the only Urban Plague pages you are expected to use to see how hard it is and won with Jikan's key pages and Kurokumo + Rusted Chains + E-endure pages. Admittedly I used Jikan instead of Sayo because I was lazy and didn't want to mess my attributions but Jikan's page is pretty good there because it trades Sayo's more powerful passives and blunt weakness for double blunt resistances, and since you unlock passive attribution at that time you can just attribute Sayo to Jikan's keypage.
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Solitair posted:For some stupid reason I can't bring myself to use duplicate key pages or combat pages. I can't wait to get Singleton. All of the high-tier keypages are 1-only so you're just ingraining good habits really e: it's still important to get as many of the older ones as you can for ability fodder though Yinlock fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Sep 16, 2021 |
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Sep 16, 2021 11:55
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Pfft. Time is S-tier unless you're BAD and SLOW 
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Urban Nightmare: Crying Children can gently caress all the way off. WHY WON'T THIS FIGHT END
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Torchlighter posted:I always assumed that Malkuth's floor is built to crumple zone opponents later in the game with its prevalence of burn damage and stuff that works on DOT's. Footfalls fills the same general space as Teadrop in that regard, I would think, albeit more specialised for single targets. Malkuth is the floor of burn but it’s also the floor of “hitting me only makes us stronger”. The sustain cards like Wingbeat and Gluttony help you use that aspect more effectively, building up to usually Loyalty.
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Thank you all to those that convinced me to go back to it! The Distortion Chads went down without too much trouble, I was just overwhelmed by the dozens of passives that, it turns out, you can mostly ignore. It's definitely a really cool world, and the scene after that raises a lot of interesting questions: like, the Head says that Angela's existence isn't just like, vaguely objectionable, but rather some kind of existential threat? Something about her "closing the door", whatever that means. It's also fascinating that the Claw appears to be utilizing various syringes based on different Corp technologies. Anyway, I hope Project Moon eventually has a project where Roland becomes a part time chef to earn enough money to buy Angela some electronic taste buds.
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CHiRAL posted:Well now I really wanna see Mizu (and my nugget ofc if they're there)  Unfortunately, while I really liked how they came out, Gebura's flunkies wound up just being negative coin fodder due to my crippling Mountain of Corpses addiction. As much as I love those idiots, they can't compare to the sheer power of ha ha, gebura go BRRRRR. Even more unfortunate is how I hadn't discovered the Today's Expression mask mod until after beating the game, so the left Mizu is how she looked at the end of my playthrough and the right Mizu is how she'll probably look when she shows up in the LP. GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Sep 17, 2021 |
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Yinlock posted:any "ai frenemy has to kill enemy or you lose" fight is still terrible, however Only 1 realization does this now. GilliamYaeger posted:I legit never got Footfalls to work. I have to assume that I was doing something wrong, because it didn't actually do anything even when my Librarians were below 20%. A real shame too, because when you actually want to use Footfalls it'd be pretty good for softening up opponents you're about to lose to for the next floor. Footfalls only triggers when the librarian is on the attack, not just when they're below 20% in general. That's what probably tripped you up. Theantero posted:Pfft. I understand the theoretical power of Time! But I've got carpal tunnel syndrome. Price of Silence nearly made me quit the game.
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I need help with (Impurities) Ensemble Philip I know the gimmick with the key pages so I kinda just bumbled in with Yujin/Nemo/Rudolph/Gloria/Myo and I got to the last phase but everyone was hovering around 20 hp and I got my rear end kicked. On my second attempt it was Dong-hwan/Purple Tear/Gloria/Kalo/Myo but I did even worse and only had 3 people by phase 2! I have no idea how to deal with all the burn and chip damage from losing clashes going on, I threw Afterimage on everyone but that didn't help at all. I'm tempted to use Martina and her big stagger damage card but I don't think I "get" the fight.
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Lakbay posted:I need help with (Impurities) Ensemble Philip I know the gimmick with the key pages so I kinda just bumbled in with Yujin/Nemo/Rudolph/Gloria/Myo and I got to the last phase but everyone was hovering around 20 hp and I got my rear end kicked. On my second attempt it was Dong-hwan/Purple Tear/Gloria/Kalo/Myo but I did even worse and only had 3 people by phase 2! I have no idea how to deal with all the burn and chip damage from losing clashes going on, I threw Afterimage on everyone but that didn't help at all. I'm tempted to use Martina and her big stagger damage card but I don't think I "get" the fight.
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So for that fight, he doesn't take full stagger damage until he's got enough burn on him, so you don't want to wait for that to come from self-burn. Bring Xiao, Purple Tear, Lowell, and some of the Liu boys for flaming Dragon Fist and just light him on fire ASAP to get him into fatal stagger mode. He's easily the biggest problem in that tier of fights so don't be afraid to bust out the big guns.
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PlasticAutomaton posted:So for that fight, he doesn't take full stagger damage until he's got enough burn on him, so you don't want to wait for that to come from self-burn. Bring Xiao, Purple Tear, Lowell, and some of the Liu boys for flaming Dragon Fist and just light him on fire ASAP to get him into fatal stagger mode. He's easily the biggest problem in that tier of fights so don't be afraid to bust out the big guns.
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You can also solo meme him by using Xiao with Lone Fixer, Mind Hauler and Bottom Deal attributed (free space for Volatile Passion or Eye of Death/Enervation?); with 3 Fervid Emotion, 3 Clones and 3 Brace Up equipped. You use Happy Memories to turn all the Fervid Emotions into 0 costs and spam 3 Fervid emotions and 1 Brace Up every turn while being immune to burn. Pick up Display of Affection and Gluttony if possible, but Happy Memories is what makes this thing work.
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Acerbatus posted:She DID authorize things like silent girl and forsaken prisoner, experiments on actual people. There was a Silent Girl experiment? Looking it up I can't find anything about her getting anything story wise besides being a creepy girl with a hammer and nail. If anything I would say Dreaming Current and it probably being drugging a real child with Cogito to be a sin of Carmen's
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RoboCicero posted:Thank you all to those that convinced me to go back to it! The Distortion Chads went down without too much trouble, I was just overwhelmed by the dozens of passives that, it turns out, you can mostly ignore. It's definitely a really cool world, and the scene after that raises a lot of interesting questions: like, the Head says that Angela's existence isn't just like, vaguely objectionable, but rather some kind of existential threat? Something about her "closing the door", whatever that means. It's also fascinating that the Claw appears to be utilizing various syringes based on different Corp technologies. Anyway, I hope Project Moon eventually has a project where Roland becomes a part time chef to earn enough money to buy Angela some electronic taste buds. By "closing the door" I think they mean Angela both refusing to enable the cycle of misery any further and not dying due to Roland's intervention, thus she never became "Human"(by the Head's definition anyway). Considering how fast damage control showed up(and that getting the library out of the city immediately was the #1 priority, even over retrieving Binah) Angela is definitely some kind of direct threat to the status quo, and Roland likely hosed up some kind of evil 4d chess master plan by not letting her dissolve into the light. It also adds the interesting implication that the Head has some level of future-sight and that this was the worst-case scenario for it. NotteBoy97 posted:There was a Silent Girl experiment? Looking it up I can't find anything about her getting anything story wise besides being a creepy girl with a hammer and nail. If anything I would say Dreaming Current and it probably being drugging a real child with Cogito to be a sin of Carmen's It's important to note that a lot of the Abnormalities' stories are metaphorically linked with Angela/Carmen and the Sephirah somehow due to collective unconscious shenanigans and [lobcorp spoilers] being made with Carmen's brain as a medium. Bloodbath is the most obvious example, Burrowing Heaven is both Brain-tree Carmen and A's obsession with her, and Dreaming Current is a metaphor for how Netzach's former life went. The stories for Abnormalities like those are often not meant to be taken entirely literally or applied directly to the Abnormality in question. This doesn't apply to all of them of course, some originate outside of lobcorp and some are just random weirdos. Yinlock fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Sep 17, 2021 |
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I feel like the reason the head waited so long to deal with Angela is because they knew going in before exactly when they did would result in an immediate loss for them.
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I managed to take down all the Abnormality... Except for the freaking Judgement Bird. Managing the Sin Stack mechanics and taking out the helpers fast is really hard. You basically need to win all clash against the helper as they can stack the status effect fast. And when I do manage to take out all the helpers, it wasn't long before Judgement Bird unleashed it's instant kill Mass Attack. *Sigh* Your Everyday NEET fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Sep 17, 2021 |
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Your Everyday NEET posted:I managed to take down all the Abnormality... Except for the freaking Judgement Bird. Managing the Sin Stack mechanics and taking out the helpers fast is really hard. You basically need to win all clash against the helper as they can stack the status effect fast. And when I do manage to take out all the helpers, it wasn't long before Judgement Bird unleashed it's instant kill Mass Attack. Designate 2 characters as sin dumps, have them pull as much of the sin as possible from the little birds, and transfer binah and your other character's sin to them with weak attacks every turn. Hit the boss with fairy when you can and clash with it to make it proc when you've got spare speed dice, but what you're really looking for are the single target instant kills, which can be harmlessly redirected away from your sin-havers and deal a chunk of stagger damage to the boss every time one is used.
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Your Everyday NEET posted:I managed to take down all the Abnormality... Except for the freaking Judgement Bird. Managing the Sin Stack mechanics and taking out the helpers fast is really hard. You basically need to win all clash against the helper as they can stack the status effect fast. And when I do manage to take out all the helpers, it wasn't long before Judgement Bird unleashed it's instant kill Mass Attack. TeeQueue posted:I feel like the reason the head waited so long to deal with Angela is because they knew going in before exactly when they did would result in an immediate loss for them.
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GilliamYaeger posted:Don't engage with the mechanics at all. Just use Binah and bleed decks to DoT Judgement Bird down asap. You can kill it in one or two rounds, easy Wait why bleed decks? Wouldn't burn be better because bleed activates on attack rolls? I've gotten JB down to 17 HP by "unga bunga", but can't eek out those last few damage points 
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IAmThatIs posted:Wait why bleed decks? Wouldn't burn be better because bleed activates on attack rolls? Though thinking about it a better way to kill it might be to just load up on Fairy first thing then spam high hit low roll cards like Opportunity Spotted so you can repeatedly trigger Fairy off its counter dice.
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Pretty sure JB's counter dice are block, so bleed wouldn't do poo poo. That's alright though, you only really need fairy to kill him.
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GilliamYaeger posted:You can either have one/two activations of burn, or a whole fuckton of bleed activations because, like Fairy, they activate on every counter dice rolled. And JB has a lot of counter dice. This is completely incorrect lmao. Judgement Bird's counter dice are Guard, which don't trigger Bleed. Additionally, you don't need any DoT decks besides Binah anyway. As long as Binah is stacking Fairy and all of the librarians are rushing Judgement Bird with a lot of dice to activate its counters, it will die from Fairy alone. That's probably what happened when you fought it and you thought the Bleed was doing something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hmMKcSUpvk This video is outdated because it was back when counter dice didn't go away, so you could use them to kill Long Bird in one turn. But I know from experience that it still kills him by the second turn or so.
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SITB posted:You can also solo meme him by using Xiao with Lone Fixer, Mind Hauler and Bottom Deal attributed (free space for Volatile Passion or Eye of Death/Enervation?); with 3 Fervid Emotion, 3 Clones and 3 Brace Up equipped. You use Happy Memories to turn all the Fervid Emotions into 0 costs and spam 3 Fervid emotions and 1 Brace Up every turn while being immune to burn. Pick up Display of Affection and Gluttony if possible, but Happy Memories is what makes this thing work. What key page gives you Lone Fixer
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ZeroCount posted:This is completely incorrect lmao. Judgement Bird's counter dice are Guard, which don't trigger Bleed. Additionally, you don't need any DoT decks besides Binah anyway. As long as Binah is stacking Fairy and all of the librarians are rushing Judgement Bird with a lot of dice to activate its counters, it will die from Fairy alone. That's probably what happened when you fought it and you thought the Bleed was doing something. Arcvasti posted:Pretty sure JB's counter dice are block, so bleed wouldn't do poo poo. That's alright though, you only really need fairy to kill him.
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Lakbay posted:What key page gives you Lone Fixer Yuna, from Dawn Office.
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ZeroCount posted:Additionally, you don't need any DoT decks besides Binah anyway. As long as Binah is stacking Fairy and all of the librarians are rushing Judgement Bird with a lot of dice to activate its counters, it will die from Fairy alone. ... I'm an idiot, you want to lose against the counter dice, not beat them. That way you maximize the ratio of counter rolls to attacking dice, making more fairy procs 
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I just noticed Multislash works differently than Will of Prescript. Multislash will work correctly if you have a single copy in your shelf, but Will of Prescript will only work if all of the cards in your shelf are unique. I can't believe I finished the game without realizing this.
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MinutePirateBug posted:I just noticed Multislash works differently than Will of Prescript. Multislash will work correctly if you have a single copy in your shelf, but Will of Prescript will only work if all of the cards in your shelf are unique. I can't believe I finished the game without realizing this. I just realized what you were saying, and you're mistaken. Multislash still needs your deck to be Singleton for the full effect. If you're not Singleton you'll still get the draw effect, but not the additional 2 light regen effect that makes it such a valuable card. "On Use Draw 1 Page. If Singleton, restore 2 Light as well." GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Sep 18, 2021 |
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There is now a canon character in the Project Mooniverse named Ishmael. She looks cool and cute, hopefully she won't die early.
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You know, thinking of it, I don't think TQ has to worry about Queen of Hatred. You'll have the Kurokumo done anyways so you get the bleed package. And we all know the thread is going to try to steer you straight into Love Town.
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GilliamYaeger posted:
I am an idiot, I think I just went into a replay assuming the effects rather than re-reading closely.
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