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checkplease posted:He will end all class struggle in the matrix by freeing everyone from it.
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I wonder how many human brains the machines use to mine bitcoin
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Sep 15, 2021 22:09
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I half-remember this weird Matrix story about a ship crashing/being attacked while a guy is jacked in. Everyone else on the ship is dead except him so he's stuck in the Matrix. He's got a broken leg, a bad infection and is slowly starving to death in the real world, which begins to affect his virtual self in weird body-horror ways. Anyone know what I'm talking about? I think it might have been a short story. I hope it wasn't fan fiction.
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Sep 15, 2021 22:16
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So thats a good question. What currency does Zion use if any? Some new crypto? Matrix programs? Or is it like a socialist commune? Its not clear that the zion orgy had an entrance fee, but it could also be a council sponsored advertising initiative like a parade or airshow.
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Sep 15, 2021 22:16
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Zion is a perpetually-at-war state (appropriate for its name) so the currency is ostensibly labor put toward the war effort. It seems that the government of Zion provides for basic needs (housing, clothing, that slop they eat) in exchange for whatever skills you have to put toward fighting the machines.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjZp7wx8m-INecrothatcher posted:I half-remember this weird Matrix story about a ship crashing/being attacked while a guy is jacked in. Everyone else on the ship is dead except him so he's stuck in the Matrix. He's got a broken leg, a bad infection and is slowly starving to death in the real world, which begins to affect his virtual self in weird body-horror ways. Anyone know what I'm talking about? Assepoester fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Sep 15, 2021 |
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Sep 15, 2021 23:18
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Yeah that's the one. The idea of slowly dying of thirst in the real world and becoming addicted to drinking water in the Matrix is so freaky.
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Sep 15, 2021 23:43
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Necrothatcher posted:Yeah that's the one. The idea of slowly dying of thirst in the real world and becoming addicted to drinking water in the Matrix is so freaky. It sounds like the sort of thing that would be pretty cool to see in a new Animatrix kind of thing
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Sep 16, 2021 02:53
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If we don't get an animatrix 2.0 Netflix exclusive then what's the point
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Sep 16, 2021 07:09
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I'd be down for a live action anthology series or something like that.
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Sep 16, 2021 08:32
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Twilight Zone but the twist of every episode is 'they were actually in the Matrix all along'.
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Sep 16, 2021 08:35
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Gazaar posted:The machines really wasted their time as the ultra efficient lords of the earth. What is it 6 or 7 iterations of the matrix by the time our Neo comes around? That's probably several generations per Zion, so like hundreds and hundreds of years in the future. They can't get above the clouds coz there's a perpetual emp storm in there and they never learned about emp shielding it seems. All the sentinels who try to follow neo and trinity above the clouds die It woulda been a cool oh poo poo reveal though if when neo and trinity did get above the clouds the whole sky was machine colonised too
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I kinda like the idea that the machines keep people around because they have a long running relationship with them and, despite the Architects smug grandstanding about being willing to drop us, this prolonged closeness and shared history leaves them comfortably irritated, eternally busy reacting to whetever new bullshit problems humans in their controlled environment present.
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Sep 17, 2021 05:44
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Yeah, worth remembering that just because they're machines doesn't mean they're all in lockstep on the human issue. Even if the Architect personally believed in his threat that humanity could be allowed to die, not everyone necessarily would be alright with that. Given we meet a machine-intelligence couple who are overtly imitating humanity in their procreation and who run to the Matrix for refuge, there's evidently AIs who think humanity has something more to offer than just electricity (even if we take Morpheus's claims on that as literally true).
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Sep 17, 2021 18:12
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Morpheus is just a dumbass libertarian who stands for a generic freedom divorced from any sort of socio-economic justice. That’s why his “blow up the government” rhetoric is so curiously inoffensive. Pretty much. "Red-pilled" humans in the Matrix are allowed to indulge in an elaborate fantasy that they are fighting the Man, but what is actually happening is that the machines are running wash cycles until the humans come up with someone mature enough to permanently rejoin them in reality. Until then the machines keep engineering apocalypses with a familiar cast of human characters who can be reliably replicated, with the hope that human unpredictability will generate something that meets the necessary conditions for humans to advance. The architect spells out that at no time are humans necessary to running the Matrix. The entire storyline about machines needing humans to run as power batteries makes no sense on a cursory examination. It's just part of a fiction created to give humans something to struggle against, because without this oppression fantasy, humans lose the will to live.
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Sep 17, 2021 18:14
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I also think the machines do not necessarily feel a need to propagate into space. Remember Smith calls humans a virus for spreading and spreading the first movie. Maybe they just like building their city and watching humans live in the matrix. On another note, anyone listened to all of the commentaries in the matrix blu ray/4k release? I started listening to the philosophical one and its pretty interesting so far. The critic one seems like a neat concept too.
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Sep 17, 2021 23:26
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Sodomy Hussein posted:The architect spells out that at no time are humans necessary to running the Matrix. The entire storyline about machines needing humans to run as power batteries makes no sense on a cursory examination. It's just part of a fiction created to give humans something to struggle against, because without this oppression fantasy, humans lose the will to live. But I need to ignore story points from the thing I'm talking about so I can performatively not understand an extremely simple tale while simultaneously talking about how it's too simple! Won't somebody please think of all the men who need to feel smarter than everybody else?
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Sodomy Hussein posted:The architect spells out that at no time are humans necessary to running the Matrix. The entire storyline about machines needing humans to run as power batteries makes no sense on a cursory examination. It's just part of a fiction created to give humans something to struggle against, because without this oppression fantasy, humans lose the will to live. how are goons so consistently bad at humanities 101 lol. projecting your own worldview onto a piece of media this hard is fine but you should at least be honest about it Lutha Mahtin fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Sep 18, 2021 |
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Sep 18, 2021 00:54
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Great, now I get to relive the high school philosophical debates about The Matrix that I hated when I actually was in high school in 2003.
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Sep 18, 2021 01:39
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What is the matrix? The matrix is just another system of control.
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Sep 18, 2021 01:55
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Lutha Mahtin posted:how are goons so consistently bad at humanities 101 lol. projecting your own worldview onto a piece of media this hard is fine but you should at least be honest about it It is literally what happens in the movie. Smith also explains it directly in part 1: “Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery.” In the film’s analogy, the robots and programs are collectively just angels working for God. That much is quite basic. Smith is then presented as a rebel angel who wants to forsake humanity. So, there is debate among the angels: a significant portion of them are striving to bring about a heaven on Earth, the Kingdom of God. This is ultimately synonymous with the dictatorship of the proletariat, full communism, etc. But, being programmed for capitalism - born of the ‘end of history’ 1990s - the robots cannot conceive of this on their own.
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Sep 18, 2021 06:08
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It is literally what happens in the movie. Smith also explains it directly in part 1: sometimes it feels like its been about 3 matrix revisions since a crit post of yours actually made me laugh Lutha Mahtin fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Sep 18, 2021 |
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Sep 18, 2021 08:40
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just another posted:I read through the MMO lore. Is the entire Matrix that one megacity (+ adjacent mountain range)? This seems to be a point of discrepancy between the first film and later stuff--in the first move, Neo's got news articles about the terrorist Morpheus attacking places like Heathrow airport, and Morpheus's dialog implies that "earth; circa 1999" is the setting of the matrix. Later material seems to take a more Dark City approach and Mega City and its immediate surroundings is everything and other places may or may not actually exist.
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Sep 18, 2021 14:19
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I don't see how that's a discrepancy. Just because they talk about Heathrow doesn't mean Neo can visit it. I'd always imagined it was more like a Truman Show thing where the rest of the world supposedly exists, but the people inside never travel there. Why make a simulation where you have to figure out how to keep rural people as complacent as city people? Reduce the variables.
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Communist Thoughts posted:They can't get above the clouds coz there's a perpetual emp storm in there and they never learned about emp shielding it seems. All the sentinels who try to follow neo and trinity above the clouds die I just figured they couldn't shield themselves because technobabble they're made of metal conductivity reasons. Like obviously there's more advanced technology but it's all very chunky like the power armor or even the squids themselves are agile but till come off as sort of heavy and clunky in their own way. a straight up forcefield/shields like in Star Wars or Star Trek might have seemed like two much since then you have to write a way from the humans to get around that so that they even haver any chance at all against one.
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feedmyleg posted:I don't see how that's a discrepancy. Just because they talk about Heathrow doesn't mean Neo can visit it. I'd always imagined it was more like a Truman Show thing where the rest of the world supposedly exists, but the people inside never travel there. Why make a simulation where you have to figure out how to keep rural people as complacent as city people? Reduce the variables. Also, there's no reason why the machines wouldn't lie about what Morpheus is doing.
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Lutha Mahtin posted:how are goons so consistently bad at humanities 101 lol. projecting your own worldview onto a piece of media this hard is fine but you should at least be honest about it What I posted barely qualifies as analysis, it's just text. This reminds me of the time that several goons were adamant that Man of Steel had nothing to do with 9/11. I don't often go in for SMGposting either, but if you're going to do a spit take at plot summaries certainly there's no need to bother with the philosophical underpinnings of these movies.
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Sep 18, 2021 17:12
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yeah I’m not sure you’re supposed to take Smith’s beliefs as gospel any more than you should Morpheus
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The basic literal plot of the movies is that the universe was created by a big floating head. The big floating head is literally named Deus. The purpose of the robots is explicitly just to serve as a God for mankind. The singularity happened, and that's what they decided to do. Mandrel posted:yeah I’m not sure you’re supposed to take Smith’s beliefs as gospel any more than you should Morpheus Why not? He's obviously far more aware of what the machines want, and presents his own dissenting view in clear terms. Many are working towards a utopia for mankind, while he believes humanity should just be left to its own devices. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Sep 18, 2021 |
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Sep 18, 2021 18:30
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Mandrel posted:yeah I’m not sure you’re supposed to take Smith’s beliefs as gospel any more than you should Morpheus yep this is the part i find funny when nerds go off about the True Literal Story of the matrix. the computer program said it clearly it's true!! 
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Sep 18, 2021 19:33
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Smith is projecting. He's jealous of the capitalist ethos of unrestrained, virus-like growth, and resents the machines for containing it.
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Sep 18, 2021 19:47
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jivjov posted:This seems to be a point of discrepancy between the first film and later stuff--in the first move, Neo's got news articles about the terrorist Morpheus attacking places like Heathrow airport, and Morpheus's dialog implies that "earth; circa 1999" is the setting of the matrix. Later material seems to take a more Dark City approach and Mega City and its immediate surroundings is everything and other places may or may not actually exist. It’s a mute point now. The trailer for the fourth film clearly shows San Francisco. The first movies city while unnamed seems like it was either in LA or NYC. It’s been awhile since I watched the first movie though but it’s clearly a different city from the first 3. Edit: wow I was way off, the city is supposed to be Chicago though it’s fictionalized and includes landmarks from Sydney Australia because big chunks were filmed there Noob Saibot fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Sep 18, 2021 |
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Sep 18, 2021 21:33
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Lutha Mahtin posted:yep this is the part i find funny when nerds go off about the True Literal Story of the matrix. the computer program said it clearly it's true!! That’s paranoid thinking, though. There’s no indication that Smith is lying - and, if we follow that train of thought to its logical conclusion, then you’d have to discount all actions by machine characters as probable deceptions. Like, the squids in Matrix 2 killed themselves, to trick Neo into thinking he has wifi powers! The Architect is not the Architect!! Smith was Morpheus all along??? Doing this immediately renders the film quite incomprehensible.
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Sep 18, 2021 22:02
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I for one think humans are more like apes than viruses but I'm not a chatbot
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Sep 18, 2021 22:31
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:That’s paranoid thinking, though. examining the behavior of a character in a story is not "paranoid", it is in fact a basic reading comprehension technique that is easy enough for young children to understand
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Smith is a program who is imprisoned in the Matrix just as humans are. He wishes to break free by destroying it.
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Lutha Mahtin posted:examining the behavior of a character in a story is not "paranoid", it is in fact a basic reading comprehension technique that is easy enough for young children to understand You haven’t examined the character’s behaviour at all. Your analysis is “he’s the baddy.” In Star Wars 3: Return Of The Jedi, George Lucas included a rather gratuitous scene where Yoda explains that Darth Vader is telling the truth. This scene was included because, after consulting with child psychologists, it was determined that children would automatically disbelieve anything said by the baddy.
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I just tried rewatching Reloaded and man, it's still atrociously bad as ever. The introduction of the Merovingian is still one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in a movie with the only thing topping it being the "Somehow Palpatine Returned" scene in Rise of Skywalker. The other big problem with the sequels is they have Neo dressed in this dumb suit/robe combo that obscures his limbs and ruins his silhouette during the kung fu action sequences. The first movie still holds up and I'm still hyped for this 4th movie though. Really impressed with the trailer just leaning into everything and telling the would be audience "hell yeah, let's go." I also expect it to be a great exhibition of everything Keanu has done 20+ years in stunt work / action following the original matrix trilogy.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:You haven’t examined the character’s behaviour my previous posts did examine the behavior of a character in a story. it sounds like you may be ill, or really nostalgic for the 2 semesters of liberal arts classes that you took that one time, so have a good one Lutha Mahtin fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Sep 19, 2021 |
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Lutha Mahtin posted:my previous posts did examine the behavior of a character in a story. it sounds like you may be ill, or really nostalgic for the 2 semesters of liberal arts classes that you took that one time, so have a good one Weird thoughts.
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