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The Otrimi mutate precon is great! I bought it on release and suped it up special without breaking the bank. One critique I have of that deck/archetype is this: Auspicious Starrix is so transparently the most powerful mutant, after a few games your Otrimi deck just becomes a Starrix deck as playing it and recurring it to mutate again is the best thing you can be doing at the table. Perhaps consider not even running starrix if you want your deck to play out more organically.
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I think the new zombie pre con is getting some very positive reviews with most people saying it's an incredibly good deck straight out of the box and is a ready made zombie tribal deck. Plus magic is just full off a massive amounts of awesome zombies you can swap in and out to customize the deck.
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Sep 16, 2021 18:39
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I'm gonna buy the zombie deck literally for the sake of having something to play casually. I have a couple precons that I've more or less untouched and may just keep that way for the sake of just opening a box and playing without worrying too much. Also can I just say I really like the new deckboxes they're using (if they've continued to use the Strixhaven ones)? They're so much better at being deck boxes, take up way less space, and looks like you can even sleeve the deck up and it'd still fit.
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Sep 16, 2021 18:42
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Framboise posted:I'm gonna buy the zombie deck literally for the sake of having something to play casually. I have a couple precons that I've more or less untouched and may just keep that way for the sake of just opening a box and playing without worrying too much. Can confirm strixhaven deck boxes fit a single sleeved deck. I don't double sleeve, so not sure if that would fit
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Sep 16, 2021 19:13
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Grevlek posted:Can confirm strixhaven deck boxes fit a single sleeved deck. I don't double sleeve, so not sure if that would fit Plus you can order the minimal packaging version of these decks on Amazon for cheaper than the big, flashy packages.
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Sep 16, 2021 20:17
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Framboise posted:I'm gonna buy the zombie deck literally for the sake of having something to play casually. I have a couple precons that I've more or less untouched and may just keep that way for the sake of just opening a box and playing without worrying too much. It does indeed fit a whole deck, though a bit snugly. I'm using dragon shields, and I'm not sure if they're any thicker than pro-mats. A little frustratingly, this means I can't fit in the matching life wheel and protective cardboard card that comes with them, but that's not a huge problem or anything. They're much better than the old boxes, where you couldn't keep the lid on if you'd sleeved the deck.
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Sep 16, 2021 20:27
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Rythe posted:Plus you can order the minimal packaging version of these decks on Amazon for cheaper than the big, flashy packages. 35 each before tax! I bought both. Looking forward to playing both day after my birthday.
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Sep 16, 2021 21:36
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Which 2 did you get?
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Sep 16, 2021 23:52
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There's only the two Innistrad precons currently. I'm sure WoTC will pop out two more for the Vampire Wedding. But I did order the minimal packaging for Strixhaven when they first came out as well. Those plain cardboard boxes are pretty useful to keep decks or dice in, decently sturdy.
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Sep 17, 2021 01:07
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Vampire and spirit precons are confirmed for Crimson Vow, yeah. I think it's kind of a bummer that werewolves are the only tribe getting left out, but Maro said DFCs cost more to make and collate and there just isn't the budget to do it with these products. 
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Sep 17, 2021 15:24
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The thought of trying to make a werewolf deck in commander seems so incredibly fiddly to me, having to manage all the flips and Day/Night cycles etc, I feel like my cards wouldn’t always be doing what I needed them to do unless I have my enablers in play and I can protect them. Contrast that with the Innistrad tribal deck I do have, Vampires, which is both my most linear deck and also my most successful casual deck. I won like 9/10 games with it before I needed the mana base for my Extus deck, but I fully intended to rebuild it when the Vampires block set released. The deck is absurdly simple, just play vamps with +1/+1 counter text and essentially any 3 vampires in the deck leads to a massive board of unblockable life-linking 5/5s or whatever, you must clear my board every turn or I will end you.
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Sep 17, 2021 15:30
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Werewolves kind of seem like a pain in the rear end to me too, but sometimes you just want to howl at the moon. I'm not personally that wild on werewolves though, my brainworms just like to see full cycles.
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Sep 17, 2021 15:58
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Werewolves are super cool in concept but actually playing them, let alone in fuckoff huge board states, sounds like a real pain. DFC tribal just doesn't translate well to a larger scale format like Commander.
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Sep 17, 2021 16:17
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I barely like playing Werewolves on Arena, where it keeps track of everything for me.
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Sep 17, 2021 16:32
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I kind of want to make a Immerwolf/Toravold Werewolf deck, but we'll see how my pulls play out. Not looking to drop serious cash on an experiment like that.
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Sep 17, 2021 16:58
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Same. I've spend much of lockdown building commander decks and I was looking at a rg stompy but could find a commander or style to build around that excited me. Werewolves maybe just what I'm looking for as I like tribal decks.
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Sep 17, 2021 17:57
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going from day -> night also seems like kind of a pain in the dick in a 4 player game, and way too easy to revert back to day as well i guess you could help keep it from reverting with Rule of Law effects, but still, getting to night sucks
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Sep 17, 2021 18:22
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That's a good point. Maybe it's better this way after all.
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Sep 17, 2021 18:27
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Dysgenesis posted:Same. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/_NXOJ9itvECNPiUGF2Koug I think Neyith is awesome fun but not an amazing commander for R/G stompy.
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Sep 17, 2021 19:33
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Bust Rodd posted:The thought of trying to make a werewolf deck in commander seems so incredibly fiddly to me, having to manage all the flips and Day/Night cycles etc, I feel like my cards wouldn’t always be doing what I needed them to do unless I have my enablers in play and I can protect them. I hope Arena gets multiplayer soon, because I really enjoy my Yorion bounce a trillion things every endstep HB deck. But trying to play that in person is likely to waste a ton of time, make a bunch of enemies, and I'd probably forget most of the triggers anyway.
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Sep 17, 2021 19:39
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pseudanonymous posted:https://www.moxfield.com/decks/_NXOJ9itvECNPiUGF2Koug Thanks. That's just the stuff, I've never seen that card before, jumpstart really flew under the radar. Plus art by Magali is a bonus.
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Dysgenesis posted:Thanks. That's just the stuff, I've never seen that card before, jumpstart really flew under the radar. Plus art by Magali is a bonus. Here's an article I wrote about the deck if you want: https://www.goonhammer.com/cf-lets-fighting-love-neyith-of-the-dire-hunt/ Just to forewarn you that deck is about a year old so it doesn't have the most recent cards in it.
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Sep 17, 2021 20:25
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Xenagos does the red/green "big creature" thing pretty well, too. This is a deck for a "high powered casual" or whatever group. Intentionally doesn't run tutors, almost everything has some sort of evasion to get the Big Hits in, and it just swings really hard. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/1EZG46M3uESgy9VbefnzLA
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hey mom its 420 posted:now niv-mizzet reborn, that's a card You are correct, my good goon.  https://www.moxfield.com/decks/FERzTM51D0Sq_GKq7hwPBw
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Aranan posted:Xenagos does the red/green "big creature" thing pretty well, too. This is a deck for a "high powered casual" or whatever group. Intentionally doesn't run tutors, almost everything has some sort of evasion to get the Big Hits in, and it just swings really hard. I just built a slightly lower powered Xenagos deck myself and it's really fun. Pretty brutal one on one. The most fun play I've made is ramping up to a kicked Grunn the Lonely King and making him a 40/40.
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Sep 17, 2021 22:56
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My mind has been brewing up a Syr Carah, the Bold deck using Dragon's Approach, that new any number spell from Strixhaven. Maybe using a Thrumming Stone and some scrying effects to just poo poo a ton of them out at once. I'm not sure quite how it would work yet, though.
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Sep 17, 2021 23:12
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Grapeshot, all of the red rituals, all of the earthquake effects, pyrohemia and any equipment that grants Indestructible should be auto includes, maybe the new impulse draw storm card from mh2 as well Edit: also any damage doubler/tripler and things like WAR Jaya and Torbran
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Sep 17, 2021 23:58
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Dumb question: How do these DFC's work in commander decks? Could I put a Brutal Cathar which has a red flip side into a GW deck?
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Sep 18, 2021 01:32
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:Dumb question: How do these DFC's work in commander decks? Could I put a Brutal Cathar which has a red flip side into a GW deck? The color identity of double-faced cards looks at BOTH sides, so no, Brutal Cathar can only go in RW-inclusive decks.
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serefin99 posted:The color identity of double-faced cards looks at BOTH sides, so no, Brutal Cathar can only go in RW-inclusive decks. Thanks!
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Bust Rodd posted:Contrast that with the Innistrad tribal deck I do have, Vampires, which is both my most linear deck and also my most successful casual deck. I won like 9/10 games with it before I needed the mana base for my Extus deck, but I fully intended to rebuild it when the Vampires block set released. The deck is absurdly simple, just play vamps with +1/+1 counter text and essentially any 3 vampires in the deck leads to a massive board of unblockable life-linking 5/5s or whatever, you must clear my board every turn or I will end you. Did you keep a list around for this? I could probably approximate it with a bit of trial and error but starting from something that works well is always nice
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serefin99 posted:The color identity of double-faced cards looks at BOTH sides, so no, Brutal Cathar can only go in RW-inclusive decks. Yep, which is why Archangel Avacyn is the commander of boros boardwipes.dec
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Heath posted:My mind has been brewing up a Syr Carah, the Bold deck using Dragon's Approach, that new any number spell from Strixhaven. Maybe using a Thrumming Stone and some scrying effects to just poo poo a ton of them out at once. I'm not sure quite how it would work yet, though. You would probably also want to consider Locket of Yesterdays, Pyromancer Ascension, and Harness the Storm.
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serefin99 posted:The color identity of double-faced cards looks at BOTH sides, so no, Brutal Cathar can only go in RW-inclusive decks. It's also the reason you can't put Westvale Abby into just any old tokens deck, as the backside is black.
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Any suggestions for cuts/adds for a Malcolm/Breeches pirates deck? https://deckstats.net/decks/189822/2239955-pirates#show__spoiler I'm trying to make the deck powerful while keeping a lot of pirate themed stuff. i play 1v1 on 40 life often with my friends, so the plan is for this to be playable in that environment while also scaling up for multiplayer, which the commanders really help with.
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Have you considered partnering Malcolm with Vial Smasher instead? Access to black gives you some really cool poo poo like tutors/reanimate for the Buccaneer (including the Pirate tutor guy!), March of the Drowned, all the powerful/memey Treasure stuff like Revel and Pitiless, and Cover of darkness to go with your ophidian effects. Vial Smasher is also pretty nasty in 1v1. It just sucks she isn’t a pirate  EDIT: I've been tinkering with the idea of having a powerful Pirate deck that's good but not quite CEDH level for when my normal group is around the LGS, and here's what I have so far: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/WS_5idkYF0qYmV4miprfIg Wincons are either beating down with pirates (GSD, Xorn and Galazeth aren't Pirates, but they're pirates imo), Treasure memes with Revel/Mechanized Production, or assembling the Malcolm/Buccaneer combo. fadam fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Sep 18, 2021 |
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Do you need a B/W commander to run Blind Obedience? I put it in my Sythis deck, but now I'm doubting it's legality for color identity. Edit: has hybrid b/w mana in it's activated ability, but 1w cmc th3t00t fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Sep 18, 2021 |
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Sep 18, 2021 18:39
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Blind Obedience is a W card, because Extort is the only actual text; the reminder text that lists B/W hybrid mana isn't considered for color identity. So you're all good on Sythis. edit: Any card with reminder text that lists a mana cost doesn't have that considered for color identity, but I can't think of any ability besides Extort that has colored mana in the reminder text)
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Infinite Karma posted:Blind Obedience is a W card, because Extort is the only actual text; the reminder text that lists B/W hybrid mana isn't considered for color identity. So you're all good on Sythis.
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th3t00t posted:Do you need a B/W commander to run Blind Obedience? I put it in my Sythis deck, but now I'm doubting it's legality for color identity. Oddly, no. The B/W hybrid cost is in the rules text, which is not considered to be part of the card's text. You don't need black to play it, only white. Same with Crypt Ghast needing only black to go in a deck. https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rulestips/2013/02/extort-and-commander/
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