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Tuxedo Catfish posted:it's probably a Lower Depth, a type of kind of parasitic sub-reality missing one or more of the properties embodied by the Arcana Interesting. Any idea what it might be missing? Preliminary guesses would be Prime, since one of the judges is pretty explicitly anti-Mage.
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Spector29 posted:Interesting. Any idea what it might be missing? Preliminary guesses would be Prime, since one of the judges is pretty explicitly anti-Mage. It’s missing Sekhem rather than entire arcanum.
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Yeah, mages like to think Lower Depths are caused by lack of an arcana but they can be missing other things essential to regular reality (and that will probably miff mages who insist that arcana is what makes up everything). Last I checked the general consensus was that Mages can move Sekhem around if they try but don't really have much of a clue of how to interact with it beyond that, much like Pyros. Although it's totally possible for a keenly interested Mage to become an alchemist and learn to work Pyros, in the same way you can be a Mage and also a 'regular' psychic.
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NikkolasKing posted:So what exactly has been happening in VTM 5th Edition? I have the core book and Anarch but like, has there been any real advancement in the metaplot since then? They came out a while ago. Just flipped through the Sabbat book and reprinted book of nod at gencon. But it wasn't for sale, they are "stuck on a boat at port and have been for two months." Sabbat seemed good, from my quick look it a had bunch of paths, gehenna war stuff, disciplines.
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ritorix posted:Just flipped through the Sabbat book and reprinted book of nod at gencon. But it wasn't for sale, they are "stuck on a boat at port and have been for two months." Sabbat seemed good, from my quick look it a had bunch of paths, gehenna war stuff, disciplines. Sounds good to me. Thanks for the information.
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Spector29 posted:Just picked up the Mummy 2ed book because OPP emailed me to remind me that it existed. Quick question: wtf is Duat within a larger CofD context? I understand that the gamelines aren't intended to be ran together, but I at least describe unified lore for my Mages who like to dimension hop. The Underworld is where ghosts are pulled down when they lose the Anchors that secure them to the living world. In a Mummy context, the Underworld is the Caverns of Neter-Khertet, low places sheltered from the Ashen Storm, whose rivers Anpu forbids the Deathless to cross. Chthonic gods, if they exist as independent beings at all, are great ghostly forces that seem to embody the entropic, hungry nature of the Underworld. The Judges of Death do not deal with ghosts, and ghosts do not come to Duat. The Judges of Death deal with the souls of the living, which depart when a person dies and seemingly disappear from the world somehow if not captured by some mage or demon. A ghost is not the human soul but more like a living memory or impression left on the world by loss. There exist ghosts of buildings, ghosts of animals, and even ghosts of living people or multiple ghosts of the same person, when caused by some meddling necromancer or a series of near-death experiences. The teachings of the Judges of Death are that, on death, a living soul progresses to Duat to be judged worthy of passage to starry A'aru, or unworthy and consigned to oblivion within the maw of the cosmic Devourer. The visions of one mummy recorded in Dreams of Avarice suggest that the Judges of Death never judge anybody worthy of A'aru. I Am Just a Box fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Sep 17, 2021 |
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How does the Promethean afterlife stuff factor into all of this? I think the river of death is in other splats too but idk how the created are dealt with since there is the whole thing about prometheans being able to die at least 1 time and walking it off and I think the osirans can just go visit the river whenever they want or something like that?
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The rivers of death from Promethean are the rivers of the Underworld that mummies can't cross.
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How do they even get there and back, is it basically like a magic portal thing that just kind poofs them there and back or what
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bewilderment posted:Yeah, mages like to think Lower Depths are caused by lack of an arcana but they can be missing other things essential to regular reality (and that will probably miff mages who insist that arcana is what makes up everything). It is not true that mages think Lower Depths are caused by the lack of an Arcanum. Not a single canon Lower Depth (including Duat) is as simple as lacking an Arcanum. They're all much more conceptual than that - Inferno lacks Virtue, Strixworld lacks Vitae, Duat lacks Sekhem (and possibly linear time), Decayworld lacks structure, Tutorworld lacks identity. And it's not "general consensus", it's published rules.
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She loses consciousness and awakens in the Underworld not remembering anything between dying and being in these dead caves now. It's not her physical body in the Underworld. That's still up in the living world temporarily being a corpse. It's "some representation of her," something like a ghost itself but not exactly a ghost, that finds itself in the caves. If she reaches the river and drinks, she awakens back in the living world in her physical body, once again half-alive, her spiritual representation (presumably) disappeared from the Underworld.
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Sep 17, 2021 00:35
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Dave Brookshaw posted:Tutorworld lacks identity. Is there any more information on the Tutor than just 'it stings or consumes your identity if it gets you'? I've always wanted to kill that thing in a daring raid.
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A lot of these are Free Council in their bent but you know what, these are all valid legacies.
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I don't know what it means but the label 'reverse judaism' has me cracking me up
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Racism 2 is sending me
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Fistianity is 110% an Arrow legacy.
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"Orwellianism" should be on the libertarian side.
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Sign me up for Scatman's Worldview, a world where all communication is via ski-bop ba bodda bope.
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Drag queen Ethnostate is pretty amazing.
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How many of these are just Disco Elysium references? I'm pretty sure Racism 2 is.
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Kavak posted:How many of these are just Disco Elysium references? I'm pretty sure Racism 2 is. I could have sworn I'd seen this chart several years before, "Racism 2" is a pretty convergent potential idea (I mean I'd heard "Racism 2.0" as a joke back in LF). Anyway sign me up for Librarianism.
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I,m Florida Man Absolutism.
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I did some soul-searching and concluding I'm a follower of Bill Nyehilism.
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Pringles Flavor Tribalism has some powerful potential.
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FNAF Lore Specialism describes about half the factions in every game and a good 80% of the posts.
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Relevant Tangent posted:Pringles Flavor Tribalism has some powerful potential.
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Yawgmoth posted:It's a good description of all of the Ascension traditions at once imo. I know this thread is generally more in the Awakening than the Ascension camp, and I am too tbh, but this is unnecessarily cruel and, of course, also entirely accurate
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joylessdivision posted:Drag queen Ethnostate is pretty amazing. Pretty sure that's an island in One Piece
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Pretty sure that's an island in One Piece true, but on the other hand, what isn't
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Digital Osmosis posted:So Awakening swerve: is there any reason given why ascension basically undoes the phenomenological changes you use to power up your ascension? Actually, I'm not sure it even always does that now that I think about it. Merlin's ascension made it so there was never a Camelot, but also made it so Camelots always fall. The Corpus Author's ascension seemed to keep her changes to the phenological world (i.e. the Mysterium is and always has been a thing.) But the guy who ascended with Mithras removed Mithraism from the realm of the phenomenological and replaced it with Christianity, right? But why would moving into a state of eternal symbolic-truth undo the effects of that truth on the phenomenological world? Why is it "as above so below, except sometimes involving the things you create in order to go dwell above full-time, then sometimes as above never existed below?" Where is the information about Mage who ascended found? Imperial Mysteries?
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Ither posted:Where is the information about Mage who ascended found? Imperial Mysteries? Imperial Mysteries covers ascension-- especially the most common "golden road" ascension in the most detail. It also covers what it means when people interact directly with the supernal, maybe more than anything other than Signs and Sorcery's chapter on awakenings. The Mithras guy is mentioned in a rumor about one of the ententes, which are like very loose ideological alliances of archmages. The other confirmed ascended people are scattered, mostly. The Mysterium book has a good deal about The Corpus Author. Merlin is loving everywhere, man. There's someone who ascended briefly described in Signs and Sorcery's section on Sarira's, which are artifacts created from the body of an ascended archmage.
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Digital Osmosis posted:So Awakening swerve: is there any reason given why ascension basically undoes the phenomenological changes you use to power up your ascension? Actually, I'm not sure it even always does that now that I think about it. Merlin's ascension made it so there was never a Camelot, but also made it so Camelots always fall. According to Signs of Sorcery, Camelots always falling was not the result of Merlin's Ascension to the Supernal but the tireless work of the ananke Nimue that Merlin created and who could (presumably) be thwarted.
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And, since I'm re-reading Imperial Mysteries, I should note I was wrong: it explicitly says that Camelot's erasure from history isn't a result of Merlin's ascension either. The book is super clear that it was a couple of Tetrarchs who ensured that. So it seems like Merlin's ascension hinged on creating Camelot and then making Nimue to ensuring it's fall, but his plan did not include it being retconned out of existence. Wonder if Nimue's responsible for the Kennedy curse? That risks being a little too cute, but it kind of does follow. I wonder why Merlin decided to hinge his Golden Road ascension on Camelot rising and falling. My best guess, given his path, is simply that it was an enormously complicated work of fate magic and an interesting story: it was simply the shape that pleased him enough to make it the work he would ascend around.
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Digital Osmosis posted:And, since I'm re-reading Imperial Mysteries, I should note I was wrong: it explicitly says that Camelot's erasure from history isn't a result of Merlin's ascension either. The book is super clear that it was a couple of Tetrarchs who ensured that. So it seems like Merlin's ascension hinged on creating Camelot and then making Nimue to ensuring it's fall, but his plan did not include it being retconned out of existence. Wonder if Nimue's responsible for the Kennedy curse? That risks being a little too cute, but it kind of does follow. There's a core concept about like, utopia and attainability and possibly modeling the creation and fall of the perfect city as in the Time Before. Maybe the Merlin Ascended because he made a new Star Ladder in miniature, in terms of Fate.
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Digital Osmosis posted:And, since I'm re-reading Imperial Mysteries, I should note I was wrong: it explicitly says that Camelot's erasure from history isn't a result of Merlin's ascension either. The book is super clear that it was a couple of Tetrarchs who ensured that. So it seems like Merlin's ascension hinged on creating Camelot and then making Nimue to ensuring it's fall, but his plan did not include it being retconned out of existence. Wonder if Nimue's responsible for the Kennedy curse? That risks being a little too cute, but it kind of does follow. His Noumenon was "the land and the king are one" or something to that effect - that the country shares the Fate of its ruler. That would include the bane. Camelot *had* to fall to ruin, so he made it one of his Omens and built Nimue to do it. The Arcadian Exarchs are "only important people drive history" and "everything goes to poo poo in the end" which adds the extra layer to Myrddin's Magnificient Bastardry. He *used* them. Their symbols. They couldn't stop him without denying themselves, so they settled for throwing a timeline-crushing tantrum after the fact.
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Dammit Who? posted:According to Signs of Sorcery, Camelots always falling was not the result of Merlin's Ascension to the Supernal but the tireless work of the ananke Nimue that Merlin created and who could (presumably) be thwarted. Yes. It's the difference between "you have picked the Shadow Name of Arthur. You're irretreviably hosed on a cosmic level" and "you have picked the Shadow Name of Arthur. At some point an Ananke is going to try to kill you. Or more likely manipulate other people's destinies so that they do. PREPARE" Ananke are second only to Ochemata in terrifying prospects for a starting player character, but they are creatures with game stats, and can be fought off.
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Heads up for anyone who pre-ordered the Sabbat guide, Renegade sent out an email yesterday saying it's shipping soon and also included a free code for a PDF version to make up for the delay. Downloaded it last night but haven't had a chance to look it over yet.
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Dave Brookshaw posted:The Arcadian Exarchs are "only important people drive history" and "everything goes to poo poo in the end" which adds the extra layer to Myrddin's Magnificient Bastardry. He *used* them. Their symbols. They couldn't stop him without denying themselves, so they settled for throwing a timeline-crushing tantrum after the fact. this owns just out of curiosity, is that directly from a published book, from someone's table, just setting bible material? (expounding on lore off the cuff?)
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Dave Brookshaw posted:His Noumenon was "the land and the king are one" or something to that effect - that the country shares the Fate of its ruler. That would include the bane. Camelot *had* to fall to ruin, so he made it one of his Omens and built Nimue to do it. Ha! That rules. If Myrddin had picked a different Noumenon, maybe something like "only the rightful king can rule the land wisely," would that have made the Exarch of Fate more likely to interfere with his ascension? That is, did he deliberately avoid subverting the Arcadian Exarchs in order to give himself the breathing room to ascend? I suppose I'm asking for hypothetical PC ascensions. Obviously someone trying to ascend with a Noumenon of like, "everyone on earth realizes their own liberation" is going to have Exarch Ochemata all over them, but it's kind of interesting that Myrddin like... didn't try to advance the Pentacle's cause at all, and even kind of reinforced the Seer's ideology. On the other hand, Archmages gonna Archmage and their view of the Ascension War is radically different from your average Joe/Jane Wizard's perspective
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