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I was about to say Cassie would, in a heartbeat, just let Aftran live in her head... but oh yeah, the Kandrona. Oh dear.
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# ? Sep 16, 2021 10:49 |
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# ? May 24, 2024 22:26 |
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freebooter posted:I was about to say Cassie would, in a heartbeat, just let Aftran live in her head... but oh yeah, the Kandrona. Oh dear. This would be more of a dilemma if we didn't know the Chee could solve this issue instantly.
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# ? Sep 16, 2021 12:08 |
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Tree Bucket posted:From like Star Trek "humans can interbreed with aliens no problem" For what it's worth, Trek is a little more nuanced than this. In Trek, most of the humanoid races of the galaxy share a common ancestor who seeded the galaxy with their DNA. Even then, it's a plot point in a few different shows that inter-species reproduction requires serious medical assistance to even get the pregnancy to happen successfully.
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# ? Sep 16, 2021 12:29 |
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Pwnstar posted:This would be more of a dilemma if we didn't know the Chee could solve this issue instantly. They can't. In the last book with Aftran (and the Visser Three parts of the Hork-Bajir Chronicles), we learn the whole appeal of being a Controller for Teerks is the ability to actually experience physical sensations like sight and the ability to actually manipulate the world around you. Being a sensory deprived prisoner in a Chee's head would keep a Yeerk alive, but Aftran would likely rather die than live a lifetime of that.
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# ? Sep 16, 2021 12:51 |
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Epicurius posted:They can't. In the last book with Aftran (and the Visser Three parts of the Hork-Bajir Chronicles), we learn the whole appeal of being a Controller for Teerks is the ability to actually experience physical sensations like sight and the ability to actually manipulate the world around you. Being a sensory deprived prisoner in a Chee's head would keep a Yeerk alive, but Aftran would likely rather die than live a lifetime of that. Yeah but they can keep alive until they can figure out a long term plan.
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# ? Sep 16, 2021 12:56 |
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Epicurius posted:They can't. In the last book with Aftran (and the Visser Three parts of the Hork-Bajir Chronicles), we learn the whole appeal of being a Controller for Teerks is the ability to actually experience physical sensations like sight and the ability to actually manipulate the world around you. Being a sensory deprived prisoner in a Chee's head would keep a Yeerk alive, but Aftran would likely rather die than live a lifetime of that. If they can manage a miniaturized Kandrona they could keep a full-size one for Aftran.
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# ? Sep 16, 2021 13:11 |
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Ravenfood posted:If they can manage a miniaturized Kandrona they could keep a full-size one for Aftran. I guess the danger of that is if yeerks ever find it and get it having portable kandrona is one of their end game victory conditions? Although yeah I feel like the Chee sometimes would warrant obvious solutions which they have to contrive ways to not have available
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# ? Sep 16, 2021 15:42 |
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I'm sure we can come up with some plot reason the Chee can't do it, but ultimately, and this is the same thing that comes up whenever somebody in the tread asks, "Why can't the Chee just fix this problem" is that from the point of view of the narrative, its a boring solution. If the Chee can just come up with a technological solution to all the hurdles that the Animorphs face, thats a lot less satisfying than putting Cassie in the situation where she has to come up with a solution herself. Its the same reason that a lot of these sorts of books make adults useless or compromised. If the kid can just go to an adult for help and the adult can solve the problem, then that's not interesting. And sure, some of this is on Applegate for introducing the Chee and giving them Kandrona lamps in their heads so they could infiltrate the Yeerks, and its something im sure she didn't think of at the time. She gave Erek that so he could infiltrate the Sharing, and he did that to give the kids a way to know about Yeerk plans other than "So I was home and happened to hear Tom on the phone talking about how the Yeerks were going to build a deathray" or, "When Mr. Chapman called me into his office to yell at me for being late, I happened to look at his desk and see blueprints labeled "Secret Yeerk Volcano Base Guarded by Mechagodzilla-not to be shared with Andalite Bandits."
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# ? Sep 16, 2021 16:11 |
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Epicurius posted:I'm sure we can come up with some plot reason the Chee can't do it, but ultimately, and this is the same thing that comes up whenever somebody in the tread asks, "Why can't the Chee just fix this problem" is that from the point of view of the narrative, its a boring solution. If the Chee can just come up with a technological solution to all the hurdles that the Animorphs face, thats a lot less satisfying than putting Cassie in the situation where she has to come up with a solution herself. Its the same reason that a lot of these sorts of books make adults useless or compromised. If the kid can just go to an adult for help and the adult can solve the problem, then that's not interesting. Part of it is also that we're in the ghostwritten books now. KAA/Grant had the whole world in their heads and were generally good, if not perfect, about avoiding or explaining away problems that had other apparent solutions. The ghostwriters, for obvious reasons, just don't have that ability, so these situations pop up a bit more going forward.
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# ? Sep 16, 2021 16:58 |
Some of the Chee besides Erek hold different opinions about what they should do for the war effort. There was one who got pissy at Erek for thinking about overriding the violence inhibitor, I'd bet a bunch of other Chee are loathe to keep a yeerk like Erek does.
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# ? Sep 16, 2021 17:25 |
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Here's a weird question: What happens when a yeerk tries to crawl into a brain that already has a yeerk in it? Can they fight each other? Is it possible for one to drag the other out? Or would that be incredibly destructive to the brain itself? I really doubt it will come up, since if it were possible, it would be easier to de-yeerk a controller in a shorter amount of time than a three-day kidnapping, and that would break a lot of rules of the series. Still, I wonder.
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# ? Sep 16, 2021 20:25 |
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I'm just picturing a Yeerk knife fight on the brain with tiny little knives.
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# ? Sep 16, 2021 20:32 |
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Bobulus posted:Here's a weird question: What happens when a yeerk tries to crawl into a brain that already has a yeerk in it? Can they fight each other? Is it possible for one to drag the other out? Or would that be incredibly destructive to the brain itself? Yeerk #2 infests Yeerk #1 while it is still in control of the host. If Yeerk #3 shows up he infests Yeerk #2. This happens recursively until you're head is the size of a beach ball.
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# ? Sep 16, 2021 20:56 |
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OctaviusBeaver posted:Yeerk #2 infests Yeerk #1 while it is still in control of the host. If Yeerk #3 shows up he infests Yeerk #2. This happens recursively until you're head is the size of a beach ball. And still less insane than Esplin in the head of Alloran.
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# ? Sep 17, 2021 00:18 |
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https://twitter.com/clumsystiggy/status/1437219724438478851?s=19 Megamorphs 2 DEBUNKED
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# ? Sep 17, 2021 04:42 |
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Chapter 15quote:<Ax’s temperature is down to ninety-two point eight,> Tobias announced from his perch as I rushed into the barn. Cassie used to pretend to be a horse as a little kid. Also, I get she was worried, but what was she afraid he'd accuse her of? "You were taking care of your alien friend who your android friend has made invisible, weren't you?" We also learned that the Chee survived on Earth this long by cheating people with rock-paper-scissors. Chapter 16 quote:As soon as I got my dad out of the barn, I fed and watered the animals. I had to since I’d said I’d already done it. So we're down to just Cassie,
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# ? Sep 17, 2021 04:48 |
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Epicurius posted:Chapter 16 Just your average everyday children's lit dilemma
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# ? Sep 17, 2021 20:10 |
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Chapter 17quote:Tobias was right, I thought as I rushed into the house. I was the leader now. The leader of one. The last little monkey jumping on the bed. So the Chee's programming is obviously compliant with the Arthur Clough's "The Latest Decalogue", where he "updates" the Ten Commandments to be compatible with modern, Victorian values. "Thou shalt not kill; but needst not strive Officiously to keep alive:" Also, honestly, first, Cassie has a great relationship with her parents, and in this chapter, you can just feel the intense loneliness and responsibility she's feeling. She alone has to figure out how to save Afran and Ax, and she has no idea exactly how or if its possible, there's no one she can lean on or ask for help from, and the pressure is killing her. Chapter 18 quote:I rode my bike up Mr. Tidwell’s driveway and parked it. Then I hurried to his front door. He swung it open before I had the chance to ring the bell. So this is the new morph of the book. This chapter has a few lines I really like....two in particular: The first is: "I led the way, even though it was his house. Even though he was a teacher and I was a kid. There wasn’t time to waste on all that." just the "There wasn't time to waste on all that." There's no time to waste on social niceties or societal hierarchies. Cassie knows she needs to do that now. Also this: "And the DNA of the Yeerk became a part of me. The Yeerk. The Yeerk became part of me." In all the previous books, it's it's always, "I acquired a horse" or "a dolphin" or "a fly". That's how the Animorphs usually phrase it. You acquire the animal. But in this case, Cassie doesn't want to say that at first. She wants to distance herself from it...."The DNA of the Yeerk became part of me", and then stops lying to herself, and stops distancing herself, saying "The Yeerk became part of me." "The Yeerk became part of me" is also significant because that's what they do when they take a host. They become part of the host, part of the brain. So I think this is written intentionally as a subversion of the Yeerk process.
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# ? Sep 18, 2021 05:44 |
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Yeah just made the decision to let one friend die to save the rest if things go badly today, just normal teen girl stuff.
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# ? Sep 18, 2021 14:11 |
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Having Tidwell scream like that brought back a lot more of the body horror aspect, even more than the lovingly horrible descriptions.
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# ? Sep 18, 2021 14:54 |
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Holy heck this book is really intense. I think I genuinely did stop reading by this point so this is all new to me. After the farce of the last book's mission this is a strong wakemeup.
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# ? Sep 18, 2021 18:06 |
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This is one of my favorite books in the series, I think it started my interest in medical dramas. I think House MD came out shortly after I read this and it ended up being one of my favorite shows.
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# ? Sep 18, 2021 18:34 |
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I want to know about Tidwell and Illim's relationship, it's something interesting this book hints at with a few lines and I love to know more about stuff like that.
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# ? Sep 18, 2021 21:47 |
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gourdcaptain posted:I want to know about Tidwell and Illim's relationship, it's something interesting this book hints at with a few lines and I love to know more about stuff like that. Yeah, I was hoping he'd say more as a non-controller. At least confirm what Illim had claimed the other day.
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Fuschia tude posted:Yeah, I was hoping he'd say more as a non-controller. At least confirm what Illim had claimed the other day. I think his actions after Ilim leaves pretty much confirm it. Also Cassie morphing a Yeerk has some seriously cool potential for storytelling and I am so excited for this.
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# ? Sep 19, 2021 02:43 |
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This book so far, kind of like the butterfly book, are what you do with Cassie books. Her characterization got screwed, especially later in the series, with the monster of the week anteater/horse hijinks type books because it seemed like the ghostwriters didn't really know what to do with her. But the multiple layering emotional issues and ethical quandaries of this book are pretty perfectly executed. The scene with her mom, reminiscing about the stupid cup was so sad. Her narrative voice unfortunately kind of sucks at dealing with stuff like the Helmacrons, they would have been better suited to like an Ax book where he has to deal with another pompous alien race or something. Matter of fact, do we ever get an Ax Helmacron book? I have no idea if I read this book as a kid but I vaguely remember Tidwell. I think he comes up again in a book I did read and I had to look up online who he was.
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# ? Sep 19, 2021 03:07 |
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Chapter 19quote:I lay on Mr. Tidwell’s kitchen floor. Deaf, blind, capable of only slowest movement. We see more evidence in this chapter that Illum was telling the truth. First, the fact that Mr. Tidwell cooperates and pushes Cassie to get going, which shows that he's just invested in this as Illum is. Second, the fact that one of the memories that Cassie accesses is Mr. Tidwell putting his wife's picture on his pillow the night before. Tidwell's dead wife has no emotional significance to Illum, but the fact that its still going on the pillow shows either that Tidwell is controlling himself at least part of the time, or that Illum care's about Tidwell's mental or emotional wellbeing, Either way, it's a suggestion that this is a real emotional connection and partnership. Also, how would you like to be the Yeerk who has to work at the McDonald's counter? Not only are you stuck in a minimum wage fast food job, you have to put up with incessantly hearing the password. Chapter 20 quote:I started down the long staircase leading to the Yeerk pool. The air felt moist against my face. Almost oily. The Yeerk pool, is, as always, pretty horrible. Also, you know the collaborators are bad people because they're voluntarily watching Full House.
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QuickbreathFinisher posted:This book so far, kind of like the butterfly book, are what you do with Cassie books. Her characterization got screwed, especially later in the series, with the monster of the week anteater/horse hijinks type books because it seemed like the ghostwriters didn't really know what to do with her. But the multiple layering emotional issues and ethical quandaries of this book are pretty perfectly executed. The scene with her mom, reminiscing about the stupid cup was so sad. I agree with you. I think Cassie's books are best when they explore the issue of moral compromise. Cassie seems to be the one who's most concerned with maintaining her moral code, and she's also the most optimistic of the Animorphs. (Marco is probably the most cynical). She's also, the only one so far to be seen as actively practicing a religion, and she's the only one who feels guilty about lying to her parents. So the stories that work for Cassie are, I think, the ones where her moral standards come up against the practicalities of the war. Unfortunately, a lot of Cassie's books are kind of silly and not particularly memorable. Both the horse and the anteater books were Applegate books, so I don't think it was just the ghostwriters who didn't know what to do with her. But any time Cassie deals with her family is great. Honestly, I think the funniest part of this book so far was just Cassie asking her mom if she had any books on brain surgery and her mom just handing them over.
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# ? Sep 19, 2021 04:01 |
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For something so brief, the glimpse of Tidwell's memories do a good job of underlining how beneficial the relationship ultimately was to both of them. Illim got a moral awakening, Tidwell got a companion at the darkest and loneliest point of his life. (He surely would have been a Sharing recruit.)
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# ? Sep 19, 2021 05:36 |
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Epicurius posted:Both the horse and the anteater books were Applegate books, so I don't think it was just the ghostwriters who didn't know what to do with her. Which is ironic, because she's said Cassie was her favorite character, and basically her self-insert. Epicurius posted:Chapter 19
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# ? Sep 19, 2021 06:24 |
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Biggest revelation here is that Cassie knew how to drive this whole time but they kept using Marco. All those mailboxes died for nothing.
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# ? Sep 19, 2021 14:10 |
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OctaviusBeaver posted:Biggest revelation here is that Cassie knew how to drive this whole time but they kept using Marco. All those mailboxes died for nothing. er, Tidwell knows how to drive, not Cassie
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# ? Sep 19, 2021 17:12 |
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My reading comprehension is as good as Marco's driving.
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# ? Sep 19, 2021 17:49 |
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Cassie: Me? I know who I am! I'm a dudette morphing a dude mind-controlling another dude!
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# ? Sep 19, 2021 17:54 |
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I wonder if Cassie will keep the knowledge of how to drive. I suppose it being third hand means probably not.
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# ? Sep 19, 2021 19:37 |
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Chapter 21quote:I could feel my knees shaking as I knelt down at the edge of the pier. I took a deep breath and lowered my head into the sludge. A happy Visser Three is a thing to be avoided. Chapter 22 quote:No time to plan. No time to do anything but move. New lesson as to why Visser Three is a bad boss....and a bad negotiator. You don't threaten Afran by saying "First you're going to tell me what I want to know and then I'm going to torture you". You want to give Afran at least some incentive to cooperate. Also, I think it's unlikely that Cassie will remember how to drive when this thing is over.
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# ? Sep 20, 2021 03:22 |
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Expecting it to be a fakeout and for V3 to be referring to the captured voluntary host there.
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# ? Sep 20, 2021 03:30 |
Cassie... crossing quite a few moral boundaries here. Girl can be ruthless when she needs to be.
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# ? Sep 20, 2021 03:48 |
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Epicurius posted:Chapter 22 I always wondered how Yeerks would be able to carry out the reinfestation without getting preempted like this. They have no real senses; sonar is pretty sketchy. How do they recognize a given person is their proper host? Getting the wrong person must happen pretty often. Especially since there's a whole peace movement lurking in the pool, not to mention, what, half of them are conscientious objectors or apathetic, not interested in fighting at all? As Cassie demonstrated, a rogue Yeerk could take control of someone and everyone would be none the wiser. They could come back to the pool three days later and drop straight back into anonymity. It's not like any in the pool can communicate or complain that their host was hijacked. You'd just have to pick an unwilling host to make sure the free host wouldn't report you, if they somehow managed to glean your name/rank in the process.
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I'm pretty sure yeerks can communicate in the pool somehow. Messages are passed back and forth, and they have access to data terminals and research materials as per previous novels IIRC
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