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You know, I keep hearing about all these STO railgun bunkers and laser fighter squadrons as some sort of technological solution to ensure this never happens again. And it would certainly have stopped the Interkosmos bombing. It would stop any known conventional ICBMs, even. None of that would have done jack squat about the couple dozen warheads covertly smuggled in trucks and poo poo that would have killed tens of millions if, as Comrade Crazycryodude points out, we didn't get obscenely lucky at multiple points in Intel gathering and operations. This is not an issue we can solve with weapons tech, we are already the most materially sophisticated and militarily powerful organization on earth by an order of magnitude. What we need is so much more and better information, and the ability to quickly and efficiently utilize it to bring our already overwhelming force to bear. We're currently working on ELINT tech that, if we had it a month ago, might have given us advance warning about this operation via Gladio's encrypted pirate radio network. Once that research is complete, we need a FLEET of new ELINT surveillance platforms. The protons and electrons are marvels, but still jury rigged planetary survey craft. We need bespoke Intel gathering tech, and a Comintern-wide intelligence apparatus to pool our knowledge.
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Asterite34 posted:You know, I keep hearing about all these STO railgun bunkers and laser fighter squadrons as some sort of technological solution to ensure this never happens again. And it would certainly have stopped the Interkosmos bombing. It would stop any known conventional ICBMs, even. This.
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Freudian posted:In the terms of cold, cruel, dispassionate reasoning, this is essentially the ideal outcome. They could have succeeded in everything, and reignited the war; they could have taken out Paris or Lunagrad, killing millions; and they could have failed utterly, killing nobody. Instead, they were forced to stake everything and won only a single scratch, which gave us a thousand martyrs to invoke every time people claim us to be the villains. They are spent, as an organisation, but we can throw their name around for the next twenty years. "Why, Mr UN Envoy, what do you mean you object to railguns on Lunar soil, we are acting in self-defence! Do you wish for another Interkosmos incident? How many more Comrade Evanses must give their lives before you deem it fitting we live in peace?" etc. Interkosmos 3/1 Never Forget
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Z the IVth posted:Time to declare a War on Terror. Pacho posted:Interkosmos 3/1 Never Forget my god we were the real americans this whole time
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There isn't a spreadsheet but Bates had posted what we have and are working on in the discord a bit ago 
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VideoWitch posted:There isn't a spreadsheet but Bates had posted what we have and are working on in the discord a bit ago Thanks, comrade.
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Actually I built a spreadsheet the other day. Tech is up to date but I'm waiting for an update post from Bates to fill out the Earth/Luna assets on the second tab. Link to the spreadsheet here
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Pacho posted:Interkosmos 3/1 Never Forget  This is absolutely going to get turned into a justification. I'm just glad that Japan appears to have seen which side of their bread has butter, and which side is glass.
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mossyfisk posted:That sounds like a very unappetising sandwich. ill have you know its a british delicacy. dont hate on the glassed butty
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The Lone Badger posted:I just don't get what destroying the slipways was intended to gain them. GLADIO doesn't have any spacecraft, militarised or otherwise. This was never going to be a war between space-battleships, so how does reducing our ability to create them advance their cause? We know there is conflict in the stars from the martian ruins and the fascists had the remains of an alien visitor under their control for decades. GLADIO doesn't have any spacecraft, but we cannot assume there are not hostile spacecraft allied to GLADIO.
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atelier morgan posted:We know there is conflict in the stars from the martian ruins and the fascists had the remains of an alien visitor under their control for decades. GLADIO doesn't have any spacecraft, but we cannot assume there are not hostile spacecraft allied to GLADIO. Then why go to the enormous hassle of hijacking one of ours? And not even a good one, a supply shuttle
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On an unrelated note, I have remarked that this LP might make for a good HOI4 mod, which has lead to me expending efforts on making stuff like this:  The idea is that there are three paths california can go: Closer cooperation with the soviets, closer cooperation with mexico, or attempting to claim itself as a socialist successor to the USA of which the first one is "canon" for the LP.
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Asterite34 posted:Then why go to the enormous hassle of hijacking one of ours? And not even a good one, a supply shuttle Given the distance between stars it might yet be years or decades before GLADIO's allies could come to their aid. The destruction of our shipyards and disruption of our ability to repair it through another nuclear exchange and massive global conflict could buy them those years or decades.
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Demiurge4 posted:I was using comma's But comrade, we can go faster, further, and harder. I present the Scythe model Planetary Defense Fighter.  Swapping out beams for a two shot rail gun gives us enough tonnage for a serious speed increase, .03 billion km range increase (enough to go to Venus and back if there is favorable orbits) , and space for maintenance bays because weapon jamming/malfunction is a thing now and without spare parts your weapon just breaks without firing. The railgun fires twice as fast as the laser, and between the Scythe's speed and increased fire rate it will hopefully make up for the smaller engagement range and will also allow it to be a much better point defense ship. Smaller engines allow for redundancy, survivability, and a more flexible speed profile. With 30 extra tons, the Scythe could be modified for extra range or sensors as needed, with an extended range (ER) variant easily allowing for coverage of Mars if need be. Most of these parts can be researched in under two months, and construction time is a mere 10 days more than refitting a MIG. *Leaves to cheers of "PDF! PDF! PDF!"* Edit: It does indeed makeup for it. Simulations (Read: Me having two flights of five smash into each other ) had the Scythes dominate almost all engagements. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Sep 18, 2021 |
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Asterite34 posted:You know, I keep hearing about all these STO railgun bunkers and laser fighter squadrons as some sort of technological solution to ensure this never happens again. And it would certainly have stopped the Interkosmos bombing. It would stop any known conventional ICBMs, even. Yes, let's build an even more intrusive global surveillance net to keep tabs on an organization that is by all accounts completely spent and will be in our custody within weeks. Is there any better service we could be doing the Reaction than frittering away our hardwon freedoms by embracing paranoia and surveillance as an antidote to the death throes of capitalism? There won't be another gladio operation at the scale we just saw, they are utterly in disarray, and if we have to entertain the paranoia that they might have enlisted alien help, then we'll have to aim these telescopes outward, not inward, or better yet, figure out how FTL travel works and guard our system from incursions conventionally. Empowering intelligence agencies with trans-newtonian technology will only enable them to be ever more intrusive and omniscient, and that kind of agency will be poison for the socialist project.
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Telsa Cola posted:But comrade, we can go faster, further, and harder. I present the Scythe model Planetary Defense Fighter. unfortunately, two-shot railguns are only available in the 1.13 patch, which was released several months after this LP started and is not savegame compatible; we are playing on 1.12. this early in the game it may be possible to manually port the save over and I might give it a try, just to take advantage of all the fixes. the way Aurora stores savegames basically guarantees that any patch will be savegame incompatible, because the file that contains almost all of the game data is also the file that the saves are in, so patching the game necessarily deletes any old saves. if I do it, porting the save over will involve me starting a new game and using Spacemaster mode to manually recreate the conditions of our original game as precisely as possible. this will not be 100% exact - in particular, for some dumb reason, the Spacemaster cannot create new scientists or edit existing scientists, so we'll have a completely different scientific staff. we'll also have completely different mineral resources on the asteroids and comets because I'm not doing manual data-entry for 1000 asteroid TNE deposits. Mister Bates fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Sep 18, 2021 |
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March 2, 1983 Japan makes its move. A formal statement is issued withdrawing recognition of the GiE as the legitimate government of the United States. At every site on the islands controlled by the US and British governments-in-exile, Japanese forces strike rapidly. At a prearranged signal, Japanese personnel already stationed in the US bases, to aid them with security or perform support work, turn on the Americans; simultaneously, troops assault them from the outside, gaining easy access through gates manned by their own people. They expect near-total surprise. They are the ones surprised - not by the ferocity of the American resistance, but by the lack thereof. There's hardly anyone there to greet them. Thousands of US soldiers are...missing. Those who remain attempt to put up a fight, but they stand little chance. The Japanese had already 'helpfully' taken over security and maintenance of the US SSBN fleet, and taking control of them from the few shocked US personnel manning them is more of a formality. They report that all of the US nuclear weapon stocks are accounted for, the Americans having seemingly given up on trying to get them back, when they went...wherever they have gone. The defenders of the United States embassy launch an unexpected counterattack, and actually succeed at breaking through the Japanese lines, abandoning the embassy. They leave in an ad-hoc armored column consisting of their three remaining tanks and a random mix of armored security vehicles and VIP transports. They drive for the shore - it's unclear if they actually have transport waiting for them there or if they're just desperate. Either way, they never make it, and are eventually caught from both sides on a narrow street. A few survive to be captured. Not present among them are any of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who should have been there. The British put up a stiffer fight, but they only delay the inevitable, and only by a few hours. The Japanese report that, regrettably, Margaret Thatcher has committed suicide, and that before she did so, she or her staff doused nearly every computer and document in the embassy in accelerant and lit it on fire. The Japanese are fighting the flames that are rapidly consuming the building, and will salvage any intelligence they can. They promise to pass along anything they deem relevant. Thirteen hours after the beginning of the operation, it is over. 93 Japanese soldiers have lost their lives. All of the US forces present on-site are either dead or captured. Approximately three thousand US personnel are unaccounted for. Worse, there is no sign of the Joint Chiefs, anywhere. ------------------------------------------- On the Moon, LSDF personnel, alerted to the likelihood of a GLADIO presence in Lunagrad city itself, spot a suspicious rover attempting to leave the city. While trying to apprehend it, 3rd Platoon, A Company, LSDF is ambushed by a group of about three dozen armed men in standard MOSA lunar EVA suits, the same kind every civilian on the Moon wears. They are armed with improvised melee weapons and powder-actuated tools; the LSDF troops are armed with purpose-built melee weapons, and low-velocity compressed-air projectile weapons, essentially military-grade pellet guns. On a compacted-dirt street, at point-blank range, between a pair of first-generation shanty-habitats constructed mostly out of cargo containers, illuminated by Earthlight, they fight the first military engagement in Lunar history. Polkovnik Innocent Bystander, commander of the Lunar Self-Defense Force, maneuvers their other forces in the area to respond. Blood and atmosphere spray from suit tears. Faceplaces are shattered. Bones crunch. All of it happens in slow motion, in eerie silence. LSDF cosmonauts and reactionary terrorists fumble, trip, drop weapons, misjudge strikes and miss, misjudge leaps and go flying. Strikes that would have been lethal in Earth gravity bounce off near-harmlessly. Reinforcements from 2nd Platoon arrive, and, in the total silence, are able to themselves ambush the ambushers, wiping them out in minutes. Nearly everyone in 3rd Platoon is wounded; 12 are dead, including the platoon commander. 35 hostiles are dead on the ground. The rover's tracks lead to one of the main roads out of Lunagrad, where they disappear into a mess of a thousand others, lost. With no orbital surveillance, there's no way to track them. ------------------------------------------- One city at a time, one little warzone at a time, the guns across Europe fall silent. Hundreds of police, militia, and military personnel, and thousands of civilians, are dead, spread throughout Europe. It will take some time to determine GLADIO casualties, but they're heavy. Over seven hundred of them have been captured alive so far. Defense has turned to offense, as moves are made against suspected nodes of the GLADIO network before they go to ground and disappear entirely. ------------------------------------------- Orbital search-and-rescue operations are still ongoing. Hundreds of people are still floating in orbit, or trapped in badly damaged compartments of Interkosmos Station. The cargo holds of the freighter CSV Cottage Point, Ship Commander CrazyCryoDude commanding, are converted into a makeshift infirmary for the most seriously injured, hundreds of people lined up on the decks in rows. Many of the unhurt shipyard workers recovered are immediately pressed into service rescuing people from the same predicament they were just saved from. Small debris from the explosion begins reentering the atmosphere, visible in the night sky worldwide as it burns up in a beautiful shower of meteors. Mister Bates fucked around with this message at 07:19 on Sep 18, 2021 |
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I can definitely say at this point that Japan is not working with GLADIO, whatever the situation was before. My real regret is not getting our hands on thatcher to stand trial.
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Sep 18, 2021 07:23
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idhrendur posted:We definitely need to get some orbital surveillance on the moon. the FESTER ships you ordered to do just that are over half built and will be ready in days.
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General Hoàng Văn Thái frowned, kicking one of the burned-out M113s several times. The soldiers around all looked away, awkwardly. It had been bad enough to discover that, somehow, the Americans had stolen a march on them. They could only imagine the frustration the old man must have felt. It was ultimately Colonel Adachi who broke the silence, stepping up to the Comintern observer, who was being talked back down by his aides. "I am deeply sorry, General. Words cannot describe how ashamed we are, to have you come all this way only to witness a failure." "Hmph." Thái straightened out his uniform, adjusting the silver Tet Offensive ribbon pointedly. "Operations fail, Colonel. I saw no fault on your part." He looked back up the street, at the ruin of the Government in Exile. "We both made the same mistake. We assumed that we could take them for granted, this ghost of the demon we remembered." He nodded at his aide, who pulled out a notebook and started writing furiously. "Wherever they are, they had better pray we cannot find them, for we will not make the same mistake again." = = = = = PROCLAMATION OF THE PEOPLE'S COUNCIL OF THE GERMAN PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC, MARCH 3, 1983 The Deutsche Volksrepublik expresses its most sincere disappointment at the disappearance of the Vietnam War Joint Chiefs. General Westmoreland and his fellow blood-stained artists of slaughter have, it seems, dodged another bullet in a stream of them. Addressing and righting the colossal wrong that is the genocide of Vietnam has been and remains a priority of the Deutsche Volksrepublik, and it will remain so until it has been righted. We, the representatives of the German people, reaffirm our dedication to bringing the architects of that war to justice. We will dedicate every resource at our disposal to righting this great wrong on our moral account. To that end, on top of prior obligations, the Deutsche Volksrepublik would like to formally offer the Comintern the use of the Nuremburg Justizpalast, for such time as when these criminals are finally run to ground and dragged into the light for their accounting. We also wish to thank the Japanese Armed Forces for their efforts of March 2nd; regardless of the situation with the Joint Chiefs, it must not be forgotten that Japan has contributed greatly to the cause of world peace and the prevention of future nuclear holocaust by securing and accounting for the American nuclear missile submarines and nuclear weapons. This is an achievement worthy of celebration, under all circumstances, and none of it would be possible without their efforts. They have also removed another piece of the old United States from the world, another element which held us chained to the previous era. It is our hope, and our fervent belief, that we shall find a greater era in the next one. = = = = = GENERAL ORDER 3/3/83 ISSUE: BMVg All Units: You have my gratitude, and the gratitude of all of Germany, for your exemplary performance in the last few days. Our task is not yet over -- we have been struck by those we thought were our countrymen. Their networks must be burned out, so that they can not threaten us again. This will not be easy. Support each other, and remember who and what you fight for. God willing, soon we can consign Gladio to the history books. NAVAL ORDER 3/3/83 ISSUE: KdVM To all naval forces: General Order 3/3/83 stands. However, you are reminded that we have an imminent priority. Following consultation with the Volksarmee and Luftwaffe, we are to stand down from active duty where possible for them to take over. We have been given the job of welcoming long-departed comrades-in-arms home. All units are to prepare for formal reception. Redeye Flight fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Sep 18, 2021 |
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NewMars posted:I can definitely say at this point that Japan is not working with GLADIO, whatever the situation was before. They did help destroy intelligence/evidence.
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Mister Bates posted:Approximately three thousand US personnel are unaccounted for. Oh gently caress off! Now we have a Government-in-Exile-in-Exile? That's it, I don't care what anyone says, we need better surveillance and a proper Unified Comintern Intelligence Service, these idiots are gonna be running around forever at this rate if we keep trusting their elimination to blind luck and wishful thinking.
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I'm guessing the Joint Chiefs started evacuating the minute they were certain the plan to nuke the World Forum and kick off WWIII was in motion.
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Mister Bates posted:unfortunately, two-shot railguns are only available in the 1.13 patch, which was released several months after this LP started and is not savegame compatible; we are playing on 1.12. If you can do it and people don't mind then I say go for it, the fixes and additions are nice. But if it's too much hassle that's also completely understandable.
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Telsa Cola posted:If you can do it and people don't mind then I say go for it, the fixes and additions are nice. But if it's too much hassle that's also completely understandable. And no need to worry about 1000 TNE deposits. There’s only like, 10 “canonical” ones we’re hype about.
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Yeah and the sooner its done the less work it is.Telsa Cola posted:But comrade, we can go faster, further, and harder. I present the Scythe model Planetary Defense Fighter. That's a nice design! I did end up trying to perfect the build before you posted and came up with this after spending far too long optimizing the size of the engine.  I feel like the active sensor is very important because it's supposed to shoot down missiles and they're hard to detect with planetary sensors and we don't have any spotting craft or carriers at all yet. Plus its only 5t. How come yours has shorter range but double the fuel though? Is it because I'm using a single engine and you're using 5?
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Okay, I've reviewed the timeline a bit. Jan 82- Hawaiian PM privately proposes to us that we accompany their state visit to Japan Mar 82- Our meeting is scheduled officially with Japan May 82- Meeting with Japan, proposal to sell out the Joint Chiefs Oct 82- The excess warheads of the Revenge are offloaded during a resupply Dec 82- Comintern World Congress proposes and approves the World Forum Feb 28 83- World Forum opens Mar 2 83- Gladio attacks The period between March and May seems like when Japan formulated the plan to sell out the GiE, as the period when they actually knew that we were coming to the bargaining table and they should offer us something juicy. The plan to do the mass bombing was formulated no later than October. Assuming the Joint Chiefs are behind it, they had between May and October to know they were on the chopping block and plan a retaliation/escape. They couldn't have been initially planning to fire on the World Forum back in October, because WE didn't know that was gonna be a thing til December, so that might have been a late addition to the plan. If we put late December as the earliest possible point for them have finalized their plan with a date of early March to coincide with the Japanese delegation being in negotiation with us during the World Forum for all this to kick off, that gives them three months MAX to covertly move out three thousand people. And frankly, if they'd had that much time, you'd think they would have managed to smuggle out some of their spare nukes while they were at it, they've shown themselves distressingly good at that.
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Maybe there were rogue elements in the Japanese government who were willing to help them? Either way, I'm on board with forming a proper intelligence agency (with severe transparency restrictions at any rate) and dedicated platforms in orbit around Earth and the Moon for data gathering. Like was said, one missed step in the chain and we could have had multiple nuclear strikes in major cities, or even on Lunar soil. That's not something we can risk happening again.
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I think one of the things I'll propose is a bureau to run a census on everyone in CI, alongside either directly issuing a CI ID or working with the various polities to institute a standard for issued ID.
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Some of the stuff Steve is working on for 2.0 is nuts. Like planets with eccentric orbits whose colony costs vary depending on what point of the orbit the planet is at. Also he's renaming engine and power gen tech Radioisotope Thermal Generator + Nuclear Radioisotope Engine Pressurised Water Reactor + Nuclear Thermal Engine Pebble Bed Reactor + Nuclear Pulse Engine Gaseous Fission Reactor + Nuclear Gas-Core Engine Magnetic Mirror Fusion Reactor + Ion Drive Stellarator Fusion Reactor + Magneto-Plasma Drive Tokamak Fusion Reactor + Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive Inertial Confinement Fusion Reactor + Inertial Confinement Fusion Drive Solid-core Anti-matter Power Plant + Solid Core Anti-matter Drive Gas-core Anti-matter Power Plant + Gas Core Anti-matter Drive Plasma-core Anti-matter Power Plant + Plasma Core Anti-matter Drive Beam Core Anti-matter Power Plant + Beam Core Anti-matter Drive Vacuum Energy Power Plant + Photonic Drive Quantum Singularity Power Plant + Quantum Singularity Drive are the new names. Which reminds me that interestingly for a world that experienced WW3, the anti-nuclear movement as pertains to civilian power is dead in the cradle, as there's nothing else that makes TNE stuff viable.
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Demiurge4 posted:Yeah and the sooner its done the less work it is. Nice redesign! Speed is life for fighters and the original design MIGs had a very rough time hitting the Scythes because they were limited by their low speed. Active sensors aren't important on these fighters as one may think given the short ranges involved this early on. For example, you could design a fairly large active sensor (or even a a somewhat smaller one for quicker research speeds) and stick it on a satellite (read: a craft under 500 tons so you could build it in fighter factories, space is saved for more sensor since you don't need engineering spaces, fuel, engines, or weapons, and deployment time could even be set to zero since its never truly deployed). The larger sensor size would give you a fairly good radar envelop, and you could just toss em in a bay/hangar and redeploy them at other population/maintenance as needed. At five tons though its not a huge deal. Yeah, multiple engines gives you redundancy at the cost of fuel efficiency, though I will mention that I was able to quadruple the range by adding in more fighter fuel tanks and still had a fair amount of tonnage left over to spare, thats the ER version I mentioned. My test runs had single engine designs getting crippled pretty quickly because larger engines get hit often and since they have a single engine they stop dead in the water, while the multiple engine designs were often able to fly off at 1000+ kms even with multiple engines disabled. Mutiple engines also let things tank more hits, because its one more part that can take a hit and break. Unless they explode. That being said I think the Albatross is pretty drat competitive, and would be happy with the design even if I am not a huge fan of the single engine design. Edit: Oh you need to give them maintenance storage bays! My test runs had my fighters jamming multiple times and without the spare parts it would have crippled the fighter (because it can't shoot). That might actually make the sensor not viable because you'd need enough for at least 2 jams. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Sep 18, 2021 |
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NewMars posted:Which reminds me that interestingly for a world that experienced WW3, the anti-nuclear movement as pertains to civilian power is dead in the cradle, as there's nothing else that makes TNE stuff viable. I mean, civilian nuclear plants can't really be used for anything beyond like, dirty bombs via waste, after all. Making a functional nuclear warhead is a Really Difficult Thing.
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Kitfox88 posted:I mean, civilian nuclear plants can't really be used for anything beyond like, dirty bombs via waste, after all. Making a functional nuclear warhead is a Really Difficult Thing. To make nuclear warheads in any kind of quantity you need plutonium. Plutonium does not occur naturally. The best place to get it is from 'spent' fuel rods that have been used in a nuclear reactor. You can build special reactors that are much better for this purpose, but an ordinary civilian electricity-generating one will do fine. That's why nuclear-proliferation and nuclear-power are connected. A nation with no nuclear plants cannot build nukes except by the extremely slow and painstaking process of enriching uranium to 90%+
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