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papa horny michael posted:i don't understand why anyone would entertain a conspiracy that the company providing the research and medical technology keeping a significant portion of the planet alive would alter their research findings for momentary monetary gains. Corporations having a profit motive isn't a conspiracy theory, in my opinion. I also did not accuse them of altering their research findings. You do you, though. papa horny michael posted:The fda has repeatedly changed messaging in light of public response rather than scientific consensus. as when they advised not to mask at multiple times throughout the pandemic. That... was the CDC.
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https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1439341949857697794 Lmao
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Sep 19, 2021 05:59
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New page, new fur tax! Everybody is now required to comment on my dog
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Epic High Five posted:New page, new fur tax! Everybody is now required to comment on my dog
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:
That's not saying the data pointed to that though. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114255 I'm pretty sure this was the study. They only looked at 60 and over. Probably why it wasn't that convincing for under that age group.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:I think you're missing a big part of this. If I were God‐Emperor of All Mankind, and assuming I inherited this mess, I would send the vaccine overseas. If I were instead a U.S. federal regulator, whose constituency is the people of the United States, I would approve boosters. Neither of these has any substantial impact on the formation of the Ligma variant.
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Suck Moredickis posted:Can you please explain what incentive the FDA advisory board has for restricting access to booster shots for the general population? Especially given that vaccines are not in short supply. I haven’t a clue. Do I need to defend their decision when I don’t agree with it? Again, I want to stress something that I feel is being ignored: If the rich and powerful are getting a booster, then it only stands to reason others would want one for their family as well. An argument that doesn’t address the above and the fact that the wealthy and politicians are NOT impacted by any potential FDA rejection of boosters is an argument that is going to fall flat. On top of that, with epidemiologists in favor of boosters, and doctors quietly recommending them to their family, friends, and financiers, it only enforces my stance that boosters are a net positive for those that want it after 5-6 months. Epic High Five posted:New page, new fur tax! Everybody is now required to comment on my dog That’s a loving cute dog! virtualboyCOLOR fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Sep 19, 2021 |
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Sep 19, 2021 06:01
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The funniest thing about this is that the actual piece speculates on the political implications of a 10x deadlier pandemic. So whoever wrote the tweet made themselves and Ross Douthat look like a loving idiot.
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Sep 19, 2021 06:01
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Charles 2 of Spain posted:Wanna pet that dog right before it rips my face off. He's pretty chill once you are proven to be chill and hangging out (and selling me drugs) but if you like walked past my apartment he'd definitely object
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Sep 19, 2021 06:02
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:I haven’t a clue. Do I need to defend their decision when I don’t agree with it? You said this: "The wealthy and politicians are getting a booster. They must know something. I want one for my family too." The implication is that there's inside information that only the rich and powerful know, or are told, about booster shots. How do you know this? How do you know that the rich and powerful who have received booster shots have received any benefit from them?
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Sep 19, 2021 06:04
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I'm not gonna say that a failure to compliment my dog is an instant probation BUT
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Suck Moredickis posted:You said this: "The wealthy and politicians are getting a booster. They must know something. I want one for my family too." These questions seem a bit silly. I know Greg Abbot received a booster well in advance per his aides. He is not over 65. If he can get one, I want one for my family.
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Platystemon posted:If I were God‐Emperor of All Mankind, and assuming I inherited this mess, I would send the vaccine overseas.
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Epic High Five posted:I'm not gonna say that a failure to compliment my dog is an instant probation BUT I'll allow it, the dog is perfect.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:These questions seem a bit silly. Isn't it possible that he could be immunocompromised? And why are you so confident he made a smart decision in this one instance?
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Epic High Five posted:New page, new fur tax! Everybody is now required to comment on my dog That's one good boy.
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Epic High Five posted:New page, new fur tax! Everybody is now required to comment on my dog Good boye
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Suck Moredickis posted:Isn't it possible that he could be immunocompromised? And why are you so confident he made a smart decision in this one instance? Epidemiologists recommend boosters. They are the subject matter experts. I’ll listen to them. Optics should also be considered. Politicians received a booster shot and the government is, potentially, denying the same benefit for the rest of the country. The same government is also finger wagging at those attempting to obtain booster via other means while also telling their family and friends to get boosters. You have a lot of questions. Any thoughts of your own?
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Sep 19, 2021 06:15
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Charles 2 of Spain posted:You don't need to be a God-Emperor. This thread often talks about how Biden can easily do federal mask mandates, forcibly vaccinate people etc. but he won't because there's no political will. It's basically the same thing here on a global scale with rich countries. The FDA VRBPAC is not MSF. Vaccinating the third world is very much not their bailiwick.
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Sep 19, 2021 06:16
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This is the guy I've been fostering since last August...
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If NPIs to Chinese standards have been repeatedly rejected, and controlling infections is required for the healthcare systems and supply chains to function normally, and even lesser NPIs cannot be implemented nationally, what recourse do we have other than attempting to achieve reduced infection via repeated dosing? Also what a cute dog
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Epic High Five posted:New page, new fur tax! Everybody is now required to comment on my dog Its a fair looking.... beast of sorts. why not get a cat instead? just make sure it doesnt go into my room or shed on the couch. 3/5, including a 1 bonus into there since you have a cool av. Kinda let down because of the booster news. I was hoping to get a third one before im dragged to an amusement park in December (and depending how cases are I may or may not dip out of that). I heard somewhere (I know) that a booster results in halved chances of hospitalizations, but I couldn't remember what study that was from or the age group. Is there any sort of protection im missing as a healthy 29 year old or my mid/late 50s mostly-healthy parents. Is it practical to find a place willing to give me a third dose of Moderna or should I drop that entirely?
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Epidemiologists recommend boosters. They are the subject matter experts. I’ll listen to them. I'm simply trying to get at where you're coming from. You've been making claims and I'm curious what backs them up. Again, you say "Epidemiologists recommend boosters." Ok, but again, the FDA advisory board determined that whatever evidence epidemiologists have to back that recommendation up is not sufficient. Why are these certain epidemiologists right and the FDA wrong?
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Suck Moredickis posted:I'm simply trying to get at where you're coming from. You've been making claims and I'm curious what backs them up. Again, you say "Epidemiologists recommend boosters." Ok, but again, the FDA advisory board determined that whatever evidence epidemiologists have to back that recommendation up is not sufficient. Why are these certain epidemiologists right and the FDA wrong? The board focused pretty much entirely on severe illness and death, as opposed to seeing the vaccines as a tool (the only tool in the US) for infection control.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Epidemiologists recommend boosters. They are the subject matter experts. I’ll listen to them. Who do you think the FDA advisory committee members are?
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Suck Moredickis posted:I'm simply trying to get at where you're coming from. You've been making claims and I'm curious what backs them up. Again, you say "Epidemiologists recommend boosters." Ok, but again, the FDA advisory board determined that whatever evidence epidemiologists have to back that recommendation up is not sufficient. Why are these certain epidemiologists right and the FDA wrong? The government lacks credibility. We have already seen the CDC was wrong on masks by lifting the mask mandate. They continue to be wrong about masks by not recommending everyone wear N95. Epidemiologists do recommend N95 and we’re vocally critical of the CDC dropping the mask mandate. I’ll listen to the experts. Why is the FDA right and the epidemiologists wrong?
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Who do you think the FDA advisory committee members are? The committee had epidemiologists and infectious disease specialists on it. https://www.fda.gov/media/152160/download Like this stuff is all publically available we don't have to guess what mystery members were on the committee and their specialties. It's not like the FDA just pulled a dozen random guys off the street and said "Figure out this booster poo poo my dudes". Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Sep 19, 2021 |
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:The government lacks credibility. I'm not even sure we know that the CDC was wrong. As far as I'm aware, we're still not sure the degree to which vaccinated people transmit the virus as opposed to unvaccinated. As we've seen, the delta variant has ripped through the unvaccinated and it isn't clear how much of that spread is due to the vaxxed vs the unvaxxed. N95s are certainly better for personal protection than a cloth mask, but if you're already vaccinated, an N95 may only offer you an insignificant amount of additional protection. quote:I’ll listen to the experts. All you've done is point out one example where the CDC (an entirely different agency) switched positions a couple times, and used that as a reason to deny everything coming out of federal agencies. You've still got the burden of proof.
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Suck Moredickis posted:I'm not even sure we know that the CDC was wrong. As far as I'm aware, we're still not sure the degree to which vaccinated people transmit the virus as opposed to unvaccinated. As we've seen, the delta variant has ripped through the unvaccinated and it isn't clear how much of that spread is due to the vaxxed vs the unvaxxed. I no longer feel you are arguing in good faith. The CDC’s own data shows the vaccinated can spread covid. If you are ignorant of this then my apologies: https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...h-mask-guidance “It also found no significant difference in the viral load present in the breakthrough infections occurring in fully vaccinated people and the other cases, suggesting the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with the coronavirus is similar.” quote:
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Sep 19, 2021 06:36
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Why is the FDA right and the epidemiologists (the subject matter experts) wrong? The FDA has not weighed in yet. The people who have weighed in are the FDA advisory committee, which is composed of epidemiologists and infectious disease experts. Why do you prefer one set of experts over the other?
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Sir John Falstaff posted:The FDA has not weighed in yet. The people who have weighed in are the FDA advisory committee, which is composed of epidemiologists and infectious disease experts. Why do you prefer one set of experts over the other? *FDA advisory board. Excuse my shorthand there. 1) Because politicians and the wealthy are listening to them and getting a booster. 2) the epidemiologists recommending the booster are the ones that rightfully called the CDC on their bullshit for dropping the mask mandate: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/05/22/ding-m22.html If you need faces to statistics from the failures of the Government institutions like the CDC, you can take a look at this thread (Warning: incredibly depressing): https://twitter.com/Cleavon_MD/status/1439077709334958081?s=20 Your question can also be thrown back to you. Why do you trust the FDA advisory board’s epidemiologist over the ones that have correctly called out the mistakes of the CDC? virtualboyCOLOR fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Sep 19, 2021 |
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:I no longer feel you are arguing in good faith. From the article: "It also found no significant difference in the viral load present in the breakthrough infections occurring in fully vaccinated people and the other cases, suggesting the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with the coronavirus is similar. The CDC said the finding that fully vaccinated people could spread the virus was behind its move to change its mask guidance. "High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus," Dr. Rochelle Walensky, the CDC's director, said in a statement Friday." Ok, so first of all, viral load and transmissibility are not one and the same. So even if the viral load is the same (and that's only a suggestion per this article), the transmissibility may not be. But also: "Indeed, the Provincetown outbreak demonstrates the vaccines' effectiveness. Alex Morse, town manager of Provincetown, said on Twitter that of the some 900 cases now linked to the cluster, "there have been no deaths, 7 hospitalizations, and the symptoms are largely mild."" This crowd was largely vaccinated, so even assuming equivalent transmissibility, the impact was pretty small. quote:This is false and feels disingenuous. But if it isn’t, I’m sure you’ll have no issue providing proof just as you asked for Let me rephrase: vaccines offer great protection. An N95 on top of that would probably offer better protection. But I haven't seen any research about how much. If wearing an N95 vs a regular mask only gives me an extra .001% chance of not dying, I might just not wear one. (This is a made up number, I don't know how much of a difference it makes for a vaccinated person.) quote:Here’s a good thread Eric Feigl-Ding is notorious for hysterics on twitter. Plus he only cites something presented to the FDA. As pointed out, anyone can present anything to the FDA, including antivaxxers.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:*FDA advisory board. Excuse my shorthand there. You mean the guy who is not an infectious disease expert?
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:*FDA advisory board. Excuse my shorthand there. Are you saying that the politicians and the wealthy are smarter than regular folks?
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Feigl-Ding is straight up someone we discussed banning as a source in previous iterations of the thread because of their tendency for fearmongering and self-promotional tweets.
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Discendo Vox posted:Feigl-Ding is straight up someone we discussed banning as a source in previous iterations of the thread because of their tendency for fearmongering and self-promotional tweets. Counter argue the data. Just bashing an epidemiologist because you are not fond of his Twitter posting style is rather childish.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:That wasn’t what you argued. You said: "The CDC said the finding that fully vaccinated people could spread the virus was behind its move to change its mask guidance." The fact that fully vaccinated people could spread the virus. There is no determination made that they spread it to the same extent as unvaccinated people. Do you have data backing up your claim that an N95 on top of vaccination significantly improves covid-19 outcomes?
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Counter argue the data. Just bashing an epidemiologist because you are not fond of his Twitter posting style is rather childish. Your claim using that bad source of "data" (a twitter account that tells you what you want, based on MSPaint drawings on screenshots of badly attributed powerpoint slides, that was rejected as a source months ago) still relies on pretending the actual FDA panel did not consist of actual qualified subject experts.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Counter argue the data. Just bashing an epidemiologist because you are not fond of his Twitter posting style is rather childish. I did an effortpost on the data from Israel and also provided a babby's first guide to reading scientific literature. I would invite you to read the publication and slide stack yourself. Looking to experts is important but it is also good practice to actually engage with the data yourself. That way you're not getting into pissing contests over who is and is not a good Twitter follow and can actually provide specific arguments from the data. Read the publications and report yourself so you actually understand the underlying data and arguments. Then consider the policy aspects and how CDC, FDA, etc function in applying them.
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