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MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Arivia posted:

that's not correct. the dice thread was in A&T and was pretty peaceful, it did get moved after the dude seemed to share too much about working at Chessex but it wasn't someone revealing company secrets to win a fight, just sharing cool details about working at the nerd dice company

also now i know i have dice that are counterfeiting tools in the EU

Na there were a few dice nerds who did bust into the thread trying to argue that the dice weren’t weighted or measured correctly or something.

It was an incredibly entertaining thread and it sucks it got nuked but I understand why he did it.

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Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

Arivia posted:

i can tell you've never posted in trad games

TG is cool. It's only 60% 40+ year olds. That makes it the cool Traditional Games forum on the internet.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

MarcusSA posted:

Na there were a few dice nerds who did bust into the thread trying to argue that the dice weren’t weighted or measured correctly or something.

It was an incredibly entertaining thread and it sucks it got nuked but I understand why he did it.

I mean yes there were gamescience/zocchi fans who were dicks but you’re still stating a narrative that wasn’t true about why the Chessex goon posted that stuff

And either way, again, it wasn’t even a trad games thread in the first place

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.

MarcusSA posted:

Na there were a few dice nerds who did bust into the thread trying to argue that the dice weren’t weighted or measured correctly or something.

It was an incredibly entertaining thread and it sucks it got nuked but I understand why he did it.

There was one dude loosing his poo poo over the fact that chessex dice aren't casino perfect, but it was in response to the spilling of company secrets that it got memory holed for, not vise-versa. The OP just wasn't too bright about what they should be saying publicly. Pity, since the caliper dude's meltdown was truly epic.

Also trad games is full of the drama kids and commensurately that. (Actually the change in mods some years? ago has made it a much nicer place to lurk.)

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Fantastic Foreskin posted:

There was one dude loosing his poo poo over the fact that chessex dice aren't casino perfect, but it was in response to the spilling of company secrets that it got memory holed for, not vise-versa. The OP just wasn't too bright about what they should be saying publicly. Pity, since the caliper dude's meltdown was truly epic.

Yeah, it wasn't the meltdown that got it closed. speaking of which...

twodot posted:

This sounds like code for "We, a dice company, do not actually test how good our dice are at being dice".

twodot posted:

Yes, if you measure fairness in a bad and wrong way you will wind up with bad and wrong results.
https://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/fair-dice.html

twodot posted:

No dice are fair because, as you have observed, they exist in the physical universe and can not be perfect. The question was "How fair" and your answer appears to be that you neither know nor give a poo poo about how fair your dice are.

twodot posted:

Since you somehow know this, can you go ahead and quantify what random enough for everyday use means and the testing you did to verify that any die you pick up off the self meets that standard?

If we agree that defective products exist, perhaps it's not true any die you pick up off the self is random enough for everyday use?

twodot posted:

If you walk up to a laptop or washing machine manufacturer they will most likely have information about the tolerances they engineer to and their defect rates. Like a reasonable response to "how fair are your dice?" might be "well 1 in 100,000 are just functionally unusable as dice".

Ok now that we have agreed that measuring fairness of dice is possible, why are you quizzing me about the materials I roll dice on?

This is super right which is why when someone asked "how fair are your dice" the op's response should have been "lol, these are novelty products with no quality assurance" instead of what they did post.

twodot posted:

Because no matter how hosed up my surface is it will never bias a fair die to roll unfairly? I don't know go ask the person who asked how fair their dice are.

twodot posted:

So if company wants to be a company that sells novelty dice with no sort of guarantee as to the fairness of their dice, they can do that. That isn't what the op said though. Also it should be obvious that there are indeed dice manufacturers that do things like engineer for specific tolerances and then test batches that the fairness of their dice fall within the parameters they guarantee.
edit:
Let me slightly more explicitly clear because you seem like you have no idea what you're talking about. If you walk up to a craps table and are handed a pair of dice, do you think some human rolled those dice 100,000 times and entered the results into a database, or do you think something else happened that allows the casino to know things about the fairness of the dice without a human rolling every die they own 100,000 times?

twodot posted:

A caliper would be a good start.
edit:

I'll stop as soon as everyone stops pretending like measuring fairness is impossible. It's not. You can measure fairness. If the company chooses not to measure fairness and they want to sell novelty dice with no guarantee as to whether the dice are actually random then great. The OP didn't say that. They said they cared about fairness. They said they wanted dice that rolled within certain parameters. But if there is no testing, there is no way to know if those parameters are being met.


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twodot posted:

Here's the thing you need to say:
"You are objectively correct that this person is dumb and has said dumb things, I'm posting in this thread to inform you I agree with you"
because otherwise it seems like you are disagreeing especially when you post dumb histograms about rolling dice 100,000 times, which obviously no one would ever do, and is an incredibly stupid way to measure fairness of large scale dice manufacturing.
edit:
Oh also on the topic of your dumb histogram you should probably acknowledge that casino dice exist and can be purchased.

twodot posted:

I am not. I'm pointing out the OP both claimed to care about fairness, and also acknowledges that they have no capacity to even understand what fairness is.
edit:
Extremely seriously, quote me demanding any sort of level of fairness.

twodot posted:

I feel like if this was a simple mistake, people would have read my post and thought "Oh yeah, that was a mistake" and moved on with their lives, instead of posting nonsense histograms where the only way to measure any die's fairness was for a literal human to roll it 100,000 times and put every roll into a database. Including you yourself where you think measuring dice is bad somehow.

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.

Thank you.

Metis of the Chat Thread
Aug 1, 2014


thank you for preserving history!!

Spinz
Jan 7, 2020

I ordered luscious new gemstones from India and made new earrings for my SA mart thread

Remember my earrings and art are much better than my posting

New stuff starts towards end of page 3 of the thread

New Super Metis posted:

thank you for preserving history!!

He did have a cool username

alf_pogs
Feb 15, 2012


MarcusSA posted:

Internet witches aren’t real and can’t hurt y

mailer demons can tho

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Kazinsal posted:

It gets better, one of the mods started handing out probes claiming that being anti-astrology was misogynistic. I can't remember which mod exactly but I'm pretty sure they were one of the ones involved in the chipmunk porn quadra kill too lmao

Twoday was the one who probed me and Larry, he quietly resigned during the flavius incident

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Spinz posted:

He did have a cool username

Waiting for twodot

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
lol I can remember trying to patiently explain to them how if you have a sample size of 50 or whatever (how often you roll a dice) these minute variations made no difference whatsoever. good times.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

CoolCab posted:

lol I can remember trying to patiently explain to them how if you have a sample size of 50 or whatever (how often you roll a dice) these minute variations made no difference whatsoever. good times.

When googling the whole topic there was a link to another forum that basically said the same thing, and that even casino dice are no long 'fair' after a few hundred rolls and get replaced constantly.

I'm pretty sure that poster had been kicked out of at least ttrpg game in their life over dice arguments because its such a weird tangent to go so hard on its definitely not the first time they've done it.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

pentyne posted:

When googling the whole topic there was a link to another forum that basically said the same thing, and that even casino dice are no long 'fair' after a few hundred rolls and get replaced constantly.

I'm pretty sure that poster had been kicked out of at least ttrpg game in their life over dice arguments because its such a weird tangent to go so hard on its definitely not the first time they've done it.

it was a marketing strategy by the supposedly scientific dice makers. specifically there was one salesman type who did a series of youtube videos about how you couldn't be sure that a misaligned dice wasn't the cause of your character dying so you could have lost adventurers to this menace!

ignoring completely that it was exactly as likely for it to be beneficial than harmful, and neither were very likely at all. oh iirc his scientific dice were never meaningfully tested and when someone bothered they had a huge bias to rolling 14 lol

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?

Bismuth posted:

Yeah most of modern "wicca" type witchcraft was made up by some weirdo white people at a country club in england in the 40s/50s and just sort of cherry picks stuff they thought was 'cool' from a ton of different completely unrelated sources

That's part of what makes the "Critics of Tarot/Wicca/ect are misogynists" line fall so flat for me, so much of it is stolen from other people's cultures (including my own). Is cultural appropriation like plagiarism, where if you steal just enough from everything it doesn't count?

There's also crystals, which are dumb as poo poo. Bunch of boring morons who think quartz has some magical properties and will fill their houses with geodes and poo poo without thinking about the holes in the ground people are dragging them out if in the third world.

Molothecat
Jul 25, 2007

Wrath, hate, pain, and death!

I'm here to learn which magic is real and which isn't

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

Am I allowed to fill my house with geodes and crystals as long as I don't think they have magic powers? Minerals are just cool, is all

Crime on a Dime
Nov 28, 2006
I'm here to comment on stuff that people are commenting on so they comment on my comment

Armitag3
Mar 15, 2020

Forget it Jake, it's cybertown.


Crime on a Dime posted:

I'm here to comment on stuff that people are commenting on so they comment on my comment

Saga in the making!

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Molothecat posted:

I'm here to learn which magic is real and which isn't

Real:
Kabbala/quantum chromodynamics hodgepodge
Hypermaths
Grant Morrison’s chaos magic
Shivers

Not real:
D&D
Lord of the rings
Time magic from tenet
Alistair Crowley’s gently caress magic
Ghost magic
Magical racism

Crime on a Dime
Nov 28, 2006
:f5::f5::f5::f5::f5::f5::f5::f5::f5:
:imunfunny:Saga in the making!!!!!!!:grin::holy:

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

the only rleal magic is the use of runes in runescape to cast earth blast at a cow

small ghost
Jan 30, 2013

Antivehicular posted:

Am I allowed to fill my house with geodes and crystals as long as I don't think they have magic powers? Minerals are just cool, is all

shiny rocks are cool no matter what

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



I cast hephaestus at the house of rocks

Armitag3
Mar 15, 2020

Forget it Jake, it's cybertown.


The Saddest Rhino posted:

I cast hephaestus at the house of rocks

Roll your spellcasting stat + bonuses

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


Regarde Aduck posted:

Real:
Kabbala/quantum chromodynamics hodgepodge
Hypermaths
Grant Morrison’s chaos magic
Shivers

Not real:
D&D
Lord of the rings
Time magic from tenet
Alistair Crowley’s gently caress magic
Ghost magic
Magical racism

what about Alan Moore's snake magic?

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?

Antivehicular posted:

Am I allowed to fill my house with geodes and crystals as long as I don't think they have magic powers? Minerals are just cool, is all

Hell yeah they're cool as hell

Armitag3
Mar 15, 2020

Forget it Jake, it's cybertown.


Antivehicular posted:

Am I allowed to fill my house with geodes and crystals as long as I don't think they have magic powers? Minerals are just cool, is all

Just don't burn your house down by placing them near the window

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?

Regarde Aduck posted:

Real:
Kabbala/quantum chromodynamics hodgepodge
Hypermaths
Grant Morrison’s chaos magic
Shivers

Not real:
D&D
Lord of the rings
Time magic from tenet
Alistair Crowley’s gently caress magic
Ghost magic
Magical racism

cock magic is real, sharon

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

what about Alan Moore's snake magic?

Absolutely haram

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


Sorry CSPAM, Marxism isn't real

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
You all mock witchcraft and hexes, yet here you are posting in a thread about the curse of mangostein. Interesting.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
The curse of the mangosteen is more Kafkaesque, you wake up one morning and find out that instead of turning into a giant bug you actually don't wake up because the previous morning you washed down some Ambien with a few bottles of wine.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Not many people know this, but Mangostein was the name of the doctor, not the monster.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
User GregorAssballs woke to find himself in a grotesque, distended body of a man. His immediate impulse was to beg for money, buy expensive baked goods, and slap the living g gently caress out of his mother.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



I call forth the fruit to murder the forums

Hedrigall
Mar 27, 2008

by vyelkin

The Saddest Rhino posted:

I call forth the fruit to murder the forums



Stephen King’s The Mangoliers

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
JK Rowling expanded lore makes clear that british magic is real but the native americans did fake magic until their saviours came along to teach them

Pope Hilarius II
Nov 10, 2008

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

JK Rowling expanded lore makes clear that british binary gender is real but the native americans did fake two-spirit additional genders until their saviours came along to teach them

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FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
Rowling in 2 years "well my new duology is about Bellatrix's daughter and turns out Voldenort had some good things to say about women's rights have you heard about these abuses of polyjuice potion and..."

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