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HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
I've been with EE broadband for years. They've been pretty decent any time there's a problem.

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Sad Panda
Sep 22, 2004

I'm a Sad Panda.
I've had Zen Internet for many years. Not cheap but great customer service.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
Related: don't bother with 'surfshark' vpn, it's poo poo.

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

I've been with Zen for over 10 years and they've always been good. Also the couple of times I needed to call tech support the person I spoke to was actually a techie

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

Food shortages in the Year 2022 you say?

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

https://twitter.com/flying_rodent/status/1439641323955499010?s=19
Pointless country.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Isn't the target for the Lib Dems less the old Tory who is socially regressive and more the One Nation "Economically conservative but culturally liberal" conservative voter? Therefore, attempting to go for those metropolitan Conservative seats that mostly believe that the flag waving bring back pounds and ounces is gauche?

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

:gary: https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1439554372460027909
:yarg:

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Sky was fine for us until we upgraded to fibreoptic and the engineer disconnected our basic connection and forgot to plug in the fibre connection leaving us with no internet for a week. Didn't offer to refund that week or anything.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

stev posted:

Sky was fine for us until we upgraded to fibreoptic and the engineer disconnected our basic connection and forgot to plug in the fibre connection leaving us with no internet for a week. Didn't offer to refund that week or anything.

We had floods maybe 15 years ago and it destroyed my internet - could I get BT to fix it? gently caress no. They even went so far as to tell me I needed a new computer and still had the balls to charge me. Moved house and as if by magic it worked again.

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

smellmycheese posted:

Food shortages in the Year 2022 you say?


but we don't have drivers for the people-collecting trucks any more :( can't even do Soylent Green properly, wretched country

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

smellmycheese posted:

Food shortages in the Year 2022 you say?



Thank god us in NI can raid all the Spars & Lidls across the border, we'll be smuggling more than butter this time around.

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

CGI Stardust posted:

but we don't have drivers for the people-collecting trucks any more :( can't even do Soylent Green properly, wretched country

please register for your easy to use at-home bioemulsification kit now- your soup like homogenates are needed to fill empty shelves today!

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe

Skull Servant posted:

Isn't the target for the Lib Dems less the old Tory who is socially regressive and more the One Nation "Economically conservative but culturally liberal" conservative voter? Therefore, attempting to go for those metropolitan Conservative seats that mostly believe that the flag waving bring back pounds and ounces is gauche?

That's not One Nation Conservatism, that's just modern neoliberal conservatism, even if both Cameron and Johnson called themselves One Nation-ers.

I don't think actual ONC in the Macmillan, pre-Thatcher 'wet' sense actually exists as a meaningful constituency in either the Conservative party or the country any more. The modern equivalents will be very happy with Johnson's strongly patriotic, culturally chauvinistic, big-spending, railway-nationalising, infrastructure-building, levelling-up, prime-the-industrial-pump, Global Britain platform, so long as they don't spot the difference between rhetoric and reality.

ONC was always a hair's breadth away from "hmmm...what if we did the bits of socialism that we like but only for our people in our nation. Socialism on a national scale; a national socialism, if you will...:thunk:"

The "economically conservative, culturally liberal" lot (if they exist - wasn't there some big study a couple of years ago that found that while a lot of people say that they fit that description, but when given policy options a large majority of them turned out to also be pretty conservative socially as well?) will already be LibDem orange-bookers or the right of the Labour Party I'd have thought?

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug
Got a good internet related story. The TL:DR is basically two 'wannabe IRA' rear end in a top hat pub owners wanted to leech off of our wifi for football matches for free.

Family used to live in a house by a pub, a small snug type frequented by the older gentlemen alcos of the town. No noise or harm from them.
Then the owner sold it to these two assholes, sons of old guard IRA guys, who think themselves they are in it when they are not.
One day my brother gets a knock on the door, and its one of their employees, local lad. He says he is doing coursework for college, and the pub has no internet so can he borrow our wifi, only for a few days.
Brother thinks its grand, gives him the wireless key and thinks nothing of it. Didn't tell me, Im the tech head of the family.

A month or two later brother is complaining he's getting lovely connection, and it cuts out a lot during the weekends for no reason.
I don't live in the family home, so I said I would look after it when I get up in a few weeks time on my work holidays.

So I get up home and its a friday night, I check out the connection, and I see 50+ wifi connections, with some actively connected right now. Most mobiles.
I ask my brother what the gently caress, he doesn't know what it is, and then when I ask who the gently caress knows our wireless key he remembers about the guy asking for it.

So I change the wireless password immediately, and BAM internet back to normal. And worked fine that whole night.

Next day we get a knock on the door and one of the fuckwit owners asks if they could have the key. I was there, told him no loving way.
Day after that, they sent a random customer around to ask for the key, and they spilled that they wanted to watch some football match, and that they had the key printed out and posted up on the wall for anyone to use!
Hence why there were a lot of mobiles. For a few months we were this poo poo pubs internet.

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

my internet is with well known oil company shell for some bizarre reason

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





so the two major parties are offering their variants on 'socially conservative, economically conservative' and the half-major party is like 'yeah, we're okay with this economic conservatism stuff, but you know how we'll finally break through for the first time in forever? Social liberalism'

England and Wales do not have a hope in hell, and I am becoming less optimistic about Scotland and Northern Ireland by the day

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

The unionism of the depressed.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
With the cost of gas absolutely kneecapping all these suppliers the forecasts are that we might lose 90% of the energy companies in the UK by the close of the year. They reckon there could be as few as 10 left by 2022.

So much for the free market.

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

serious gaylord posted:

With the cost of gas absolutely kneecapping all these suppliers the forecasts are that we might lose 90% of the energy companies in the UK by the close of the year. They reckon there could be as few as 10 left by 2022.

So much for the free market.

That's the Free Market forces in action my good man!!! :dumbbravo:

Dear god it's all going to be a total shitshow.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

BalloonFish posted:

The "economically conservative, culturally liberal" lot (if they exist - wasn't there some big study a couple of years ago that found that while a lot of people say that they fit that description, but when given policy options a large majority of them turned out to also be pretty conservative socially as well?) will already be LibDem orange-bookers or the right of the Labour Party I'd have thought?

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP

serious gaylord posted:

With the cost of gas absolutely kneecapping all these suppliers the forecasts are that we might lose 90% of the energy companies in the UK by the close of the year. They reckon there could be as few as 10 left by 2022.

So much for the free market.

Bulb looking ropey https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58619418 so 10 left might be optimistic.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

Lungboy posted:

Bulb looking ropey https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58619418 so 10 left might be optimistic.

Thats the one that made me blink, they're a big company.

At some point Ofgem is going to be unable to force companies to take people on too. Could we see one of them get nationalised for a bit?

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006
one of the other companies will buy them out rather than risk them getting taken into public ownership

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





lmao if you honestly think the Tories want to buy an energy company

that's like Peter Mannion buying a bank and being pissed off that he has to raise taxes

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
They'll happily have the state take it during a loss-making period to sell it off later.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

Julio Cruz posted:

one of the other companies will buy them out rather than risk them getting taken into public ownership

But they buy them in at the same rates/credit balances as their previous supplier. Is the issue not that there's so many customers locked into fixed prices that these companies cant afford to buy the energy to supply them? Surely even SSE can't absorb every customer in the UK if the price surges continue.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
My bank was offering £40 cashback if you switched to Peoples Energy and opened a direct debit... oops!

I followed the link and it said page not found. So I went on the chat and the chat person said 'it seems to have gone down an hour or so ago. should be back later'. Anyway, they ceased trading a day or two later so the poor chat person obviously didn't know.

(Did I write this already? I have deja vu but I did a 'search' and couldn't see it :corsair: )


serious gaylord posted:

But they buy them in at the same rates/credit balances as their previous supplier. Is the issue not that there's so many customers locked into fixed prices that these companies cant afford to buy the energy to supply them? Surely even SSE can't absorb every customer in the UK if the price surges continue.


SSE were taken over by Ovo recently.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal


Seems familiar.


NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
depressing.

lets only post good news for the next 10 posts,

ok next 9 posts as me posting is in itself the first bit of good news

Endjinneer
Aug 17, 2005
Fallen Rib

Lungboy posted:

Bulb looking ropey https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58619418 so 10 left might be optimistic.

Oh FFS. We've been on at them to install the meter since National Grid hooked up our supply about two months ago. They're the cheapest supplier that'll install a SMETS-2 meter, if you can get them to reply to emails. We've got them booked in for late October assuming they last that long.

Lady Demelza
Dec 29, 2009



Lipstick Apathy

Lungboy posted:

Bulb looking ropey https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58619418 so 10 left might be optimistic.

I changed supplier from People's Energy a couple of months ago, because Look After My Bills found a cheaper deal. They were a pretty good company, I really liked their community approach and it's a shame they've gone. Their customer service was much better than Scottish Power who spelled all my names incorrectly and then acted like I was being unreasonable when I pointed out this made their utility bills useless as a form of ID for me.

Fingers crossed the winter is mild and people need to use lots of energy heating their homes.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

NotJustANumber99 posted:

lets only post good news for the next 10 posts,
I got a loaf of bread with one of those solid plastic bread tags on the other day.

It's probably because all the machines that make the sticky plastic strip ones exploded or entirely to appease the Tory heartlands who remember having them or something, but they are nicer to use than the newer alternatives, and I'd imagine to reuse too if we're not setting them all on fire to dump on Indonesia.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Guavanaut posted:

I got a loaf of bread with one of those solid plastic bread tags on the other day.

It's probably because all the machines that make the sticky plastic strip ones exploded or entirely to appease the Tory heartlands who remember having them or something, but they are nicer to use than the newer alternatives, and I'd imagine to reuse too if we're not setting them all on fire to dump on Indonesia.

Useful for all computer touchers:

Total Meatlove
Jan 28, 2007

:japan:
Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

SSE were taken over by Ovo recently.

SSE sold one of their divisions (retail) to OVO, who now own that division completely and run it as an effective private label brand.

(Partly because it’s retail arm ran a large amount of turnover for little profit given the market, and also because it was a loving nightmare to update systems against challengers and regulation.)

SSE still exists though, a fund has bought a large amount of their shares on the quiet and is attempting to split the business again, with regulated transmission and distribution, energy trading and a small services arm being hived off from its very profitable renewables division.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Total Meatlove posted:

SSE sold one of their divisions (retail) to OVO, who now own that division completely and run it as an effective private label brand.

(Partly because it’s retail arm ran a large amount of turnover for little profit given the market, and also because it was a loving nightmare to update systems against challengers and regulation.)

SSE still exists though, a fund has bought a large amount of their shares on the quiet and is attempting to split the business again, with regulated transmission and distribution, energy trading and a small services arm being hived off from its very profitable renewables division.

I'm with SSE / Ovo and just deciding whether to take one of their tariffs or change.
My fear of changing is fear of it getting screwed up.

Also, our communal electric is with SSE business. (Fixed tariff til next summer).

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Seems the CO2 shortage will affect all frozen goods - think I'll get another few kg of dried mixed veg in!

quote:

Ocado, the online grocer, told customers this weekend that it had a 'limited stock' of frozen items due to a national shortage of dry ice – solid CO2.

source: heil/news/article-10005291/Meat-supplies-run-two-weeks-Christmas-dinner-threat-gas-suppliers-warn.html


Completely separate matter:

I'm getting a lot of connection errors 522 etc which aren't my internet but are websites. Eg I had problems on here earlier getting 522 and just had similar 524 error on a couple of unrelated sites. Is there Something Going On on the interwebs tonight?

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Sep 20, 2021

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Seems the CO2 shortage will affect all frozen goods - think I'll get another few kg of dried mixed veg in!

source: heil/news/article-10005291/Meat-supplies-run-two-weeks-Christmas-dinner-threat-gas-suppliers-warn.html


Completely separate matter:

I'm getting a lot of connection errors 522 etc which aren't my internet but are websites. Eg I had problems on here earlier getting 522 and just had similar 524 error on a couple of unrelated sites. Is there Something Going On on the interwebs tonight?

Probably a CDN issue, assuming they're big(ish) sites - they tend to be localised (often to just a single geographic area for one ISP) and give random, intermittent faults.

(CDN - Content Delivery Network. Basically because an awful lot of internet traffic is repeated, and fibre is expensive, most websites of any decent size will use a CDN (there are half a dozen or so big ones - SA and most non-ultra-large websites use Cloudflare). The principle is pretty simple - the CDN installs servers around the world (either in big centralised internet exchanges like LINX in London, in the core networks of large ISPs, or for very large ISPs down at their edge network Points of Presence, the first hop your traffic takes between the exchange and the rest of your providers network). These servers keep local cached copies of content from websites so if a hundred people all hit the same page the hosting company only sees one hit. This is advantageous both to the ISPs, who save a shitload on international and/or long-distance transit links, and to the web hosts, who of course save loads on bandwidth and server capacity. It also helps to mitigate denial of service attacks where hackers use huge amounts of hacked computers to swamp a server - because they only ever hit the CDN boxes it's almost impossible to make such an attack work such that the entire site becomes unusable.

:corsair: moment - Anyone else remember the days when SA was big enough (and the internet small enough) that we could knock websites offline just by all of us trying to get to it at once? Ridiculous, really)

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

Guavanaut posted:

I got a loaf of bread with one of those solid plastic bread tags on the other day.

A Bread Climp, you mean.

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Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Probably a CDN issue, assuming they're big(ish) sites - they tend to be localised (often to just a single geographic area for one ISP) and give random, intermittent faults.

(CDN - Content Delivery Network. Basically because an awful lot of internet traffic is repeated, and fibre is expensive, most websites of any decent size will use a CDN (there are half a dozen or so big ones - SA and most non-ultra-large websites use Cloudflare). The principle is pretty simple - the CDN installs servers around the world (either in big centralised internet exchanges like LINX in London, in the core networks of large ISPs, or for very large ISPs down at their edge network Points of Presence, the first hop your traffic takes between the exchange and the rest of your providers network). These servers keep local cached copies of content from websites so if a hundred people all hit the same page the hosting company only sees one hit. This is advantageous both to the ISPs, who save a shitload on international and/or long-distance transit links, and to the web hosts, who of course save loads on bandwidth and server capacity. It also helps to mitigate denial of service attacks where hackers use huge amounts of hacked computers to swamp a server - because they only ever hit the CDN boxes it's almost impossible to make such an attack work such that the entire site becomes unusable.

:corsair: moment - Anyone else remember the days when SA was big enough (and the internet small enough) that we could knock websites offline just by all of us trying to get to it at once? Ridiculous, really)

They were all Cloudflare sites I had a problem with.

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